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Chagen wrote:Look mom, I can into glottalization now!

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As you can see I just discovered the wonders of glottalization and pharyngealization and therefore am obligated, like all conlangers who discover Cool Feature X, to make a lang featuring far too much Cool Feature X.
But you have no glottalization here...?

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Glottalization, Pharyngealization, it's all the same thing to me anyway.
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It's like saying velarisation and palatalisation are the same
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Have I posted Hanheliubl here yet?

/p t ʈ c k ʔ/ <p t ṭ c k ʔ>
/b d ɟ/ <b d j>
/xk/ <xk>
/f s̺ ç x h/ <f ṣ s x h>
/v z̺ j ʁ/ <v ẓ z r>
/m̥ n̥ ɳ̥ ɲ̥ ŋ̥/ <mh nh ṇh ñh ŋh>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ñ ŋ>
/ɺ̥ ɺ/ <lh l>
/æ e ɤ o i ɯ u/ <a e ẹ o i ɯ u>
/æ: e: ɤ: o: i: ɯ: u:/ <a: e: ẹ: o: i: ɯ: u:>
/æi ɒu ʏu/ <ai au iu>

The realizations of <s z> vary widely, but the ones I use are <z> [j] and <s> [ç] everywhere but before back vowels, where it's [θ]. [ɺ̥] is realized as fricated, but good luck transcribing that in IPA. The lateral flaps can be but aren't necessarily trilled in certain environments: most speakers trill them directly after a consonant, some trill them word-finally, and some also word-initially. /ʁ/ lowers preceding vowels. The low vowel is realized as backed after /k/ or before apicals or laterals.
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Here's about what I'm hoping to end up with for Balto-Germanic:

/p b t d c ɟ k g/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ç x/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ʎ ɫ r j/
/a a: e e: o o: i i: ɨ (ɨː?) u u:/ + however many diphthongs
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An idea for Heocg...

/m n/
<m n>

/p pʰ b b_ t tʰ d dʰ ʈ ɖ k kʰ g gʰ q/
<p ph b bh t th d dh ṭ ḍ c ch g gh q>

/s f θ~ð ħ ɦ/
<s f ð h ḥ>

/tʂ dʐ/
<cg gc>

/l r j w/
<l r j w>

/i e ɛ a o u y ø/
<i e eo a o u y ø>

/aʊ aɪ oɪ/
<au ai oi>

No phontactics or allophony yet.

Sanskrit and Old English had a baby and this conflicted language was a result.

Also a Ngith phonology:

/m n ŋ/
<m n ng>

/p pˤ t tʷ tˤ k kʷ kˤ q qʷ/
<p b t tw d k kw g q qw>

/tʼ kʼ qʼ/
<t' k' q'>

/s h/
<s h>

/sʼ/
<s'>

/ts tʃ/
<z c>

/tsʼ tʃʼ/
<z' c'>

/l w j ʀ/
<l w y r>

/i e a o u/
/iː eː aː oː uː/
/ĩ ẽ ã/
/ĩː ẽː ãː/

<i e a o u>
<ii ee aa oo uu>
<į ę ą>
<įį ęę ąą>

The stops marked as pharyngealized are pronounced with a constricted glottis, not sure how to notate those in IPA.
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Here's a potentially fun one from my end.
Consonants
b̥ b̥ʰ d̥ d̥ʰ [ɟ̊] [ɟ̊ʰ] g̊ g̊ʰ
f s [ç] [x] ʀ h
ʋ ð̞ j
m n [ɲ] ŋ
l

Vowels
i y u
ɪ ʏ ʊ
e ø o
ə
ɛ œ ɔ
æ æ: ɐ
a ɑ


Allophony/Stuff
Allophones
g̊j → ɟ̊ (etc.)
nj → ɲ
ʀ → ɐ in coda
ʋ → ʊ in coda
ə → Ø in closed syllables
h → ç before front vowels

Vowels arrange into several groupings, with each grouping having a "long", "short", and "weak" quality.
e ɛ ɪ/ə
i ɪ ə
y ʏ ə
u ʊ ə
ø œ ɪ
o ɔ ɐ
æ æ: ɪ
a ɑ ɐ
In a open syllable (does not end with a non-approximant), vowels in the first syllable of the word are usually long. In closed syllables, they're usually short.
If the vowel is not in a diphthong in an unstressed syllable, then it normally is "weak". Otherwise, it follows the usual rules.

Stress takes the form of a pitch accent, with unstressed syllables having a lower tone. Stress normally falls on the initial syllable of a word.
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Consonants
Unvoiced Nasals: m̥ n̥ ɲ̊ ŋ̊
Voiced Nasals: m n ɲ ŋ
Unaspirated Stops: p t̪ ts tɬ tʃ ʈ k kʟ̝̊ q
Aspirated Stops: pʰ t̪ʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ ʈʰ kʰ kʟ̝̊ʰ qʰ
Ejectives: pʼ t̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ ʈʼ kʼ kʟ̝̊ʼ qʼ
Fricatives: f s̪ h
Lateral Approximants: ɬ l ɭ ʎ
Approximants: ɻʷ ɥ w
Taps/Trills: t̪͡ʙ̥ r̥ r~ɾ

Vowels
Closed: i y u
Mid-Closed: e ø ə o
Open: æ ɑ

Diphthongs
Height-Harmonic: æ͡ɑ, e͡o, ø͡o
Closing: æ͡i, æ͡u, ɑ͡i, ɑ͡u, e͡i, e͡y, ø͡i, ø͡y, ə͡i
Opening: u͡o
Centralizing: i͡ə, y͡ə, u͡ə, e͡ə, ø͡ə, o͡ə, æ͡ə, ɑ͡ə

The IPA symbols I used as accurately as possible however in some areas I couldn't find sufficient description for a sound and I used the nearest available symbols. For those sounds in question I'll explain a wee bit as well as go over some important allophonic variation and other phonotactic information pertinent to proper pronunciation:
  • /r̥/ is pronounced more at the alveolo-dental with audible dental/interdental friction. Generally with lips spread more than usual. Essentially the opposite of labialization (lip-spreading? anti-labialization?)
  • The aspirated stops are all strongly aspirated (à la Navajo, with a long voice-onset time). In some dialects they take on a voiceless velar fricative cluster (pʰ t̪ʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ ʈʰ kʰ kʟ̝̊ʰ qʰ > px t̪x tsx tx tʃx ʈx kx qχ) which is also very Navajo-like. The lateral affricates lose the lateral dimension of the sound and become a plosive with "x" as in - tɬʰ>tx which is allophonic with t̪x, kʟ̝̊ʰ and kʰ both merge into kx and qʰ becomes qχ.
  • Vowel length itself doesn't effect vowel quality much however adjacent consonants dictate much of the allophony.
    For example presence of uvulars centralizes the vowel and in some cases reduces the vowel to a schwa. Still needs some work on that portion...
  • Height harmonic diphthongs are rather common and are distinctive (e.g. æ͡ɑ, e͡o, ø͡o) as a note (æ͡ɑ, e͡o) are two of the most common diphthongs in the language. All vowels can be followed by /ə/ to form a distinctive diphthong. All the other diphthongs are closing diphthongs with one attested (and also fairly common) opening diphthong (u͡o).
  • Non-stops will be able to geminate word medially (/h/, /t̪͡ʙ̥/ are also unattested in gemination possibly because of the rarity of the latter of the two sounds though.
Basic syllable structure is CV or CVC. There are of course a few restrictions /h/ and /t̪͡ʙ̥/ do not occur in coda position. In some syllables a maximum of (s,f)CVVC exists but they occur mostly in borrowings and in a handful of native roots.

There are a large number of syllabic consonants namely all nasals, lateral and non-lateral approximants, /r̥/ and /r/. These can all occur in the nucleus of the syllable.
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Nomadic reindeer herder language:
/p t k/
/m n ŋ/
/f s ʃ x/
/w r l j/
/h/
Notes: /r/ is always [r], that is, trilled
/x/ is [ç] before /i e/, /x/ (why the hell doesn't ZBB display uvular frics?) before /a/, and /x/ before everything else
/f/ is in free variation between [f~ɸ]
/ŋ/ is never word-initial
/p t k/ are voiced intervocalically

/a e i o u/
vestiges of vowel harmony: /a i u/ alternate with /e o/ on occasion

syllables: (C) (f s ʃ x w r l j) V (V) (C)

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Alien Language:

p t t͡ɕ k q
pʰ tʰ t͡ɕʰ kʰ qʰ
b d d͡ʑ g ʁ
ɓ ɗ
m n ɲ ŋ ɴ
θ s ɕ h ʔ
w l j
ʔm ʔn ʔɲ ʔŋ ʔɴ
ʔw ʔl ʔj

a i ɨ u

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Karinta wrote:
Alien Language:

p t t͡ɕ k q
pʰ tʰ t͡ɕʰ kʰ qʰ
b d d͡ʑ g ʁ
ɓ ɗ
m n ɲ ŋ ɴ
θ s ɕ h ʔ
w l j
ʔm ʔn ʔɲ ʔŋ ʔɴ
ʔw ʔl ʔj

a i ɨ u
I like this. Especially the glottalized (pre-glottalized?) resonants. Love me some glottalized resonants. Not so huge on the distinction between /ŋ/ and /ɴ/.

Plus implosives, who doesn't like implosives? Haha.

Got anymore? Syllable structure or any allophony?
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I can't remember if I posted this already:

Proto-Takayo:

Phonology:

/p t k s/ <p t k s>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ⁿz/ <b d g z>
/m n/ <m n>
/w r j/ <w r y>

/a e i u o/ <a e i u o>

Phonotactics:

(V)CV is the basic structure.
Voiced prenasalized plosives do not occur word-initially.
Vowel elision occurs preventing vowel clusters:
Lowest vowel stays: kiza + uko = kizako
Similar vowels rise: mine + esa = minisa
Same height vowels insert /t/: pori + uba = porituba

Not sure if I want to add /h/ or /l/ or other consonants like /ʔ/...
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/p/ [p]
/b/ , [β]*
/t/ [t]
/d/ [d], [z]*
/tt/ [c]
/dd/ [ɟ]
/k/ [k]
/g/ [g], [ɣ]*
/m/ [m]
/n/ [n]
/f/ [ɸ]
/s/ [s]
/c/ [ç]
/z/ [ʝ]
/r/ [ɹ]
/v/ [ɰ]
/l/ [l]
/ll/ [ʎ]

*when appearing in onset of stressed syllable

/i/ , [ɪ]*
/ï/ [y], [ʏ]*
/e/ [e], [ɛ]*
/ë/ [ø], [œ]*
/u/ , [ʊ]*
/a/ [ɑ], [ʌ]*

*when appearing in unstressed syllable unless otherwise indicated (does not change stress) by the common diacritic mark on /ī/, /Ī̈/, /ē/, /ē̈/, /ū/, and /ā/ (mark to be made above initial marks)

[ɰ] is realized between adjacent vowels

(C)V(C) (2,166 phonemic possibilities)

Stress is separated into sets within a word. A set consists of three syllables of which the third is stressed. If there are less than three syllables, there is no stress. If there are more, every third is stressed. E.g., let S represent a syllable and ' indicate stress: S S, S S 'S S, S S 'S S S 'S.

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Bristel wrote:I can't remember if I posted this already:

Proto-Takayo:

Phonology:

/p t k s/ <p t k s>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ⁿz/ <b d g z>
/m n/ <m n>
/w r j/ <w r y>

/a e i u o/ <a e i u o>

Phonotactics:

(V)CV is the basic structure.
Voiced prenasalized plosives do not occur word-initially.
Vowel elision occurs preventing vowel clusters:
Lowest vowel stays: kiza + uko = kizako
Similar vowels rise: mine + esa = minisa
Same height vowels insert /t/: pori + uba = porituba

Not sure if I want to add /h/ or /l/ or other consonants like /ʔ/...
You posted it in on the CBB. I liked your /ⁿz/ there and I'll like it here too dammit haha

Other note: You should totally have /ʔ/. It'll allow for some fun diachronics down the line if you wanted, you can have glottally reinforced consonants become phonemic, you could have ejectives or implosives, develop tone, develop different phonations, the glottals are where it's at.
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/ p pʰ t̼ t̼ʰ t tʰ k kʰ /
< b p ḃ ṗ d t g k > / < b p dw tw d t g k >
/ ɸ s̺ s̻ʰ /
< f s ś > / < f s ss >
/ β̰ z̃ ɣ̃ /
< v z ǵ > / < v z y >
/ m̥ m n̥ n /
< ḿ m ń n > / <mh m nh n >

Those seagull /t/s are linguolabial stops. The /s/ has an apical/laminal distinction. with the laminal /s/ being very breathy and realized as an obstructed /h/ in some dialects. The voiced fricatives are all usually nasalized, but normal ones do occur non-phonemically. The /β̰/ is nasalized, not creaky-voiced. The first transcription is more compact and pretty, and the second is for easier input. Onto vowels...

/ i u / ---> / iː uː / ---> / i̤ː ṳː /
< i u | ī ū | ì ù > / < i u | ii uu | ih uh >
/ æ ɒ̝ / -> / æː ɒ̝ː / -> / ɑ̤̈ː /
<e a | ē ā | à > / < e a | ee aa | ah >
That's a series of normal, long, and long-breathy vowels I have there. The low vowels aren't entirely low. The four basic vowels will have pretty wide allophonic realizations, but the specifics are TBD.

Roots are usually monosyllabic, but almost never open. Many consonant clusters are permitted, but I don't think they will be common (I don't exactly know yet, the vocabulary isn't rich right now). There is a lot of derivational morphology, and come combining rules (also mostly TBD), one of which is the tendency for consonantal codas <b ḃ d g s> to become aspirated/breathy/a little voiced (probably something like [pʱ t̼ʱ tʱ kʱ s̻ʱ]), as well as nasals becoming voiced/breathy, when a breathy-voiced vocalic ending is attached to a word.
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< ḿ m ń b > looks like it should be < ḿ m ń n >.

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No. I always transcribe voiced dental nasals as <b>. You don't?

I'm fixing it.
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Never. Especially not when nothing else uses 'n', and when 'b' is the voiced labial stop. As it is here. Also, it breaks the lovely orthography of voiced and unvoiced nasals.

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I'm just back to conlanging, so I made a sketch lang.

/m n/ <m n>
/b t d k/ <b t d k>
/tɕ dʑ/ <q j>
/f s ɕ h/ <f s x h>
/ʋ l ɰ/ <v l g>

/i y u/ <i y u>
/ɛ œ ɔ/ <e w o>
/a/ <a>

/ai au ei/ <ai au ei>
/ɥai ɥau ɥei/ <yai yau yei>
/jai jau jei/ <iai iau iei>
/wai wau wei/ <uai uau uei>

Monophthongs are distinguished by length. <ii yy uu ee ww oo aa>
The maximal syllable structure is CVC, where the final is one of /m n s ʋ l ɰ/.
The allophonic rules will fill in the gaps such as [p g v z ʑ].

For sound frequency data in word generators, CV will be the most common syllable structure and /i/ and /a/ will be the most common vowels.

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Kvan wrote:
Bristel wrote: Not sure if I want to add /h/ or /l/ or other consonants like /ʔ/...
You posted it in on the CBB. I liked your /ⁿz/ there and I'll like it here too dammit haha

Other note: You should totally have /ʔ/. It'll allow for some fun diachronics down the line if you wanted, you can have glottally reinforced consonants become phonemic, you could have ejectives or implosives, develop tone, develop different phonations, the glottals are where it's at.
I agreed and added /ʔ/.
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Kvan wrote:
Karinta wrote:
Alien Language:

p t t͡ɕ k q
pʰ tʰ t͡ɕʰ kʰ qʰ
b d d͡ʑ g ʁ
ɓ ɗ
m n ɲ ŋ ɴ
θ s ɕ h ʔ
w l j
ʔm ʔn ʔɲ ʔŋ ʔɴ
ʔw ʔl ʔj

a i ɨ u
I like this. Especially the glottalized (pre-glottalized?) resonants. Love me some glottalized resonants. Not so huge on the distinction between /ŋ/ and /ɴ/.

Plus implosives, who doesn't like implosives? Haha.

Got anymore? Syllable structure or any allophony?
Eh, it's still in development, but directly before and after uvulars, /a i ɨ u/ become /ɑ ɛ ə ɔ/ like in Quechua, Zompist's favourite language. :-) Also, the syllable structure is rather loose, but since it's a polysynthetic language, the syllable divisions become rather vague. The only rule is no Nuxalk-type xłp̓x̣ʷłtłpłłskʷc̓ stuff: syllables like /ɓθams/ are okay tho.

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Bristel wrote:I can't remember if I posted this already:

Proto-Takayo:

Phonology:

/p t k s/ <p t k s>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ⁿz/ <b d g z>
/m n/ <m n>
/w r j/ <w r y>

/a e i u o/ <a e i u o>

Phonotactics:

(V)CV is the basic structure.
Voiced prenasalized plosives do not occur word-initially.
Vowel elision occurs preventing vowel clusters:
Lowest vowel stays: kiza + uko = kizako
Similar vowels rise: mine + esa = minisa
Same height vowels insert /t/: pori + uba = porituba

Not sure if I want to add /h/ or /l/ or other consonants like /ʔ/...
Reminds me of proto-Japonic reconstructions. Actually, the whole sound table does. But the vowel harmony bit is the only thing that's different.

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I'm working backward on a proto-language for a dialect continuum I have. Here's the proto-language's putative inventory.

*m *n *ɲ *ŋ
*p *pʼ *b *ɓ *t *tʼ *d *ɗ *k *kʼ *g *ɠ *ʔ
(*f) *θ *s *x (Not sure if I want *f or not though)
*l *j *w

*a *e *i *ə *ɨ *o *u
*ҍ *ь *ъ (Central, front, and back yers respectively)
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Linguifex wrote:*ҍ *ь *ъ (Central, front, and back yers respectively)
I have to ask, do you actually place these into any specific locations in the vowel space or are they just diachronic tools for you that you dissolve away in the development of the target language? It's a nice touch of realism to add some partially unknown phonemes into your proto language. A large majority of reconstructed real world proto languages have these because language evolution always looses relevant data needed for a complete reconstruction. But you shouldn't overdo it in a proto conlang since that can lead to practical problems for yourself when you are doing the diachronics for the "attested" target language. If you wish, you can have secret values for the phonemes that you don't tell publicly but help you in doing the sound changes just right.

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gach wrote:
Linguifex wrote:*ҍ *ь *ъ (Central, front, and back yers respectively)
I have to ask, do you actually place these into any specific locations in the vowel space or are they just diachronic tools for you that you dissolve away in the development of the target language? It's a nice touch of realism to add some partially unknown phonemes into your proto language. A large majority of reconstructed real world proto languages have these because language evolution always looses relevant data needed for a complete reconstruction. But you shouldn't overdo it in a proto conlang since that can lead to practical problems for yourself when you are doing the diachronics for the "attested" target language. If you wish, you can have secret values for the phonemes that you don't tell publicly but help you in doing the sound changes just right.
They really started out as more of the latter (plus I thought it'd be "cool" to include them, FWIW), though they may or may not still be. In-universe there's a bit of contention over whether they were really short vowels or lax vowels. There's also distinctions in their phonotactics—the language is considered to have had two main syllable types depending upon whether or not the nucleus was a yer: major syllables, whose nuclei are not yers, can have codas and two-consonant onsets; minor syllables, which can only have a yer as a nucleus, only have null or a single consonant as an onset, and cannot have a coda (I'm going to have to figure out how to get the onsets right because final regular vowels like to reduce to yers when compounds are made—and I might extend this to inflections).
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Revamping something.

m n ŋ
p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ
f ɸ θ~s ʃ h
j
sɸ tsɸ tsɸʰ ts tsʰ tʃ tʰʃ kɬ kʰɬ
ʘ ʘʰ ǀ ǀʰ


s~θ is more apparent near ɸ and sɸ.

a e i o

Vowels can be long and overlong.
Diph and triphthongs can occur with any combination of vowels.
V1V2V2 triphthongs have very short final vowels. V1V1V2 such as aii have short initial vowels. These 'special' triphthongs (as opposed to something V1V2V3 like eoi) are spoken with noticeably greater rises and falls in tone.

a˦ a˧ a˨

Mid tone vowels tend to centralize a bit.
mo˧ke˨ ~ mɔ˧ke˨ ~ mɘ˧ke˨
A sequence of them centralize heavily.
ma˧sa˧kjo˧ne˧ta˦a˨ ~ mə˧sə˧kjə˧nə˧ta˦a˨


(C(j))V(N), with CV, CVV, and CVVV being very common.
N is any nasal or fricative.
j can not follow ʃ tʃ tʰʃ kɬ kʰɬ
j tends toward ɹ~l before i.


There is stress; it usually falls on the first syllable of a word, but depending on how a word has been compounded, it might fall elsewhere.
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