Romanization challenge thread

[Aybuben]

Albanian:

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ņ ng>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d ķ ģ k g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <c dz č dž>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v th dh s z š ž h>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <rr r l ll j>
/a e ə o i y u/ <a e y o i ü u>

Ati üny ķy je ny ķiell, u šyņtyrofty emri üt.
arthy mbretyria jote; u byfty dyšira jote,
si ny ķiell, edhe mbi dhe.
bukyn tony ty pyrdityšme jepna neve sot;
edhe falna fajet tona,
sikundyr edhe ne ua falim fajroryvet tany;
edhe mos na štjery ny ngasje, po špytona nga i ligu;
sepse jotja yšty mbretyria e fuķia e lavdia ny jetyt ty jetyvet.

ati ynə cə je nə cieɫ, u ʃəɲtəɾoftə emɾi yt.
aɾθtə mbɾetəɾia jote; u bəftə dəʃiɾa jote,
si nə cieɫ, eðe mbi ðe.
bukən tonə tə pəɾditəʃme jepna neve sot;
eðe falna fajet tona,
sikundəɾ eðe ne ua falim fajtoɾəvet tanə;
eðe mos na ʃtjeɾə nə ŋasje, po ʃpətona ŋa i ligu;
sepse jotja əʃtə mbɾetəɾia e fucia e lavdia nə jetət tə jetəvet.

[2+3 clusivity]

/bar̥ar̥/:

/en ʙ̥a aːtʃəː qXər̥qə̃ː kxãpãːʙa iɬor̥ əːdi ogɮə̃ tʃãpɬe grəː ʀ̪̥͆a iɫa itɬe jə̃ bror̥ dʒã er̥ u tə̃bβaːkɯ kɯr̥ pɯ̃du/

Not sure if the n in the sample is a mistake. I'll asume its nasality. The /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /ɮ/, and /β/ however are bugging me.

/en mhaa aa:?a: qqharhqan: kxaanpaan:ma ilhorh a:di og?an ?aanplh gra:zhaa ila itlhe yan bror ?aan erh u tanb?aa: kuu kuurh puunndu/

/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g q j>
/ɸ θ ɬ ʃ x X/ <f th lh s x qh>
/ʙ ʙ̥ r r̥ ʀ̪͆ ʀ̪̥͆/ <m mh r rh z zh> (Thought here with M was that you have no stand alone nasals, and IIRC bilabial trills are derviced from prenasalized trills/stops)
/ʋ ɫ j/ <v l y>
Fricatives become voiced next to voiced consonants.

Are the latter trills bidentalized uvular trills? If so, cooooolll.

/i ɯ u e ə əː o a aː/ <i uu u e a a: o aa aa:>
/ĩ ɯ̃ ũ ẽ ə̃ ə̃ː õ ã ãː/ <in uun un en an an: on aan aan:>

[Zontas]

Albanian:

/dz dʒ/ <dz dž>

May you rot in hell.

[Nortaneous]

wut

[Haplogy]

Not sure if the n in the sample is a mistake. I'll asume its nasality. The /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /ɮ/, and /β/ however are bugging me.

Yea, it's nasalization. I used awkwords and my awkwords-romanization used it. Also, /tʃ/ is just a cluster, and the voiced ones allophones. Should've used [].

Are the latter trills bidentalized uvular trills? If so, cooooolll.

They are. I've always loved voiceless trills, so I tried doing a uvular one, and I found that it was much easier for me to pronounce a voiceless uvular trill with bidentalization, so I went with it.

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

[Ser]

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

The language also has /z ʒ/, so it seems sensible to use digraphs for /dz dʒ/.

So yeah, @Zontas: wut

[tezcatlip0ca]

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

Serbo-Croatian.

Anyway, Albanian:
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ni/ń* ñ>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d chi/ic* ghi/ig* c/ch+ g/gh+>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <ç+ di/dz* ci/ć*+ gi/đ*+>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v th dh s z si/ś* zi/ź* h>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <rr r l ll i++>
/a e ə o i y u/ <a é e o i** ü u>
*The first option before vowels other than /i/, the second before consonants or /i/ or at the end of a word.
+ca cé ce co ci cü cu ga gé ge go gi gü gu is /ka tse tsə ko tʃi tʃy ku ga dʒe gə go dʒi dʒy gu/. The options shown are used when a simple c or g isn't appropriate.
**/i/ is represented as î when it might conflict with a digraph.
++j at the start of a word or next to /i/

Ati üne chie jé ne chîéll, u sieinterofte émri üt.
Arthte mbréteria joté; u befte deśira joté,
si ne chîéll, édhé mbi dhé.
Buchen tone te perditeśmé jépna névé sot;
édhé falna faiet tona,
sicunder édhé né ua falim faitorevét tane;
édhé mos na śtiére ne ngasîe, po śpetona nga i ligu;
sépsé jotia eśte mbréteria é fuchia é lavdîa ne jétet te jétevét.

[Nortaneous]

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <μ ν ν̇ γ̇>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <π μπ τ ντ κ̇ γκ̇ κ γκ>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <τς δζ τσ̇ δζ̇>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <φ β θ δ ς ζ σ̇ ζ̇ χ>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <ρ̇ ρ λ λ̇ ι>
/a e ə o i y u/ <α η ε ο ι υ ου> using diaeresis where <ι> would be /j/ otherwise

Ατι υνε κ̇ε ιη νε κ̇ϊελ̇, υ σ̇εν̇τεροφτε ημρι υτ.
Aρθτε μμπρητερϊα ιοτη; υ μπεφτε ντεσ̇ιρα ιοτε,
σι νε κ̇ϊελ̇, ηδη μμπι δη.
Μπουκεν τονε τε περντιτεσ̇μη ιηπνα νηβη σοτ;
ηδη φαλνα φαιετ τονα,
σικουνντερ ηδη νε ουα φαλιμ φαιτορεβητ τανε;
ηδη μος να σ̇τιηρε νε γ̇ασιη, πο σ̇πετονα γ̇α ι λιγκου;
σηψη ιοτια εσ̇τε μμπρητερϊα η φουκ̇ϊα ε λαβντϊα νε ιητετ τε ιητεβητ.

or

Ati une k̇e iė ne k̇ïel̇, u ṡeṅterophe ėmri ut.
Arthte mp̃rėterïa iotė; u p̃ephe t̃eṡira iote,
si ne k̇ïel̇, ėdė mp̃i dė.
P̃ouken tone te pert̃iteṡmė iėpna nėvė sot;
ėdė phalna phaiet tona,
sikount̃er ėdė ne oua phalim phaitorevėt tane;
ėdė mos na ṡtiėre ne ġasiė, po ṡpetona ġa i lik̃ou;
sėpsė iotia eṡte mp̃rėterïa ė phoukïa e lavt̃ïa ne iėtet te iėtevėt.

[Aybuben]

May you rot in hell.

I'd rather not.

[sangi39]

bärhärh /bar̥ar̥/

/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g q y>
/ɸ θ ɬ ʃ x X/ <f s l sh h x>
/ʙ ʙ̥ r r̥ ʀ̪͆ ʀ̪̥͆/ <w wh r rh z zh>
/ʋ ɫ j/ <v ll j>

/i ɯ u e ə əː o a aː/ <i ï u e ë ö o ä a>
/ĩ ɯ̃ ũ ẽ ə̃ ə̃ː õ ã ãː/ <iN ïN uN eN ëN öN oN äN aN>

/en ʙ̥a aːtʃəː qXər̥qə̃ː kxãpãːʙa iɬor̥ əːdi ogɮə̃ tʃãpɬe grəː ʀ̪̥͆a iɫa itɬe jə̃ bror̥ dʒã er̥ u tə̃bβaːkɯ kɯr̥ pɯ̃du/
En whä atshë qxërqön khämpamwa ilorh ödi oglën tshample grö zhä ille itle jën brorh dshän erh u tëmbfakï kïrh pïndu.

[tezcatlip0ca]

Ати үны сы е ны ћиел, у шынтырофты эмри үт.
Арҫты мбретырия ёте; у быфты дышира ёте,
Си ны ћиел, эҙе мби ҙе.
Букын тоны ты пырдитышме епна неве сот;
Эҙе фальна фает тона,
Сикундыр эҙе не уа фалим файторывет таны;
Эҙе мос на штьеры ны ңасье, по шпытона ңа и лигу;
Сепсе ётя ышты мбретырия э фућия э лавдия ны етыт ты етывет.

[Kezdő]

Here's one I call [d̪awu ŋil].

/m n ɳ ŋ/
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/
/w j h/
/r ɽ/
/l ʎ ɭ/
/i iː a aː u uː/

ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː.

Have fun.

[Nortaneous]

/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ŋ>
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/ <b ɓ ṯ ḏ t d ɗ ṭ ḍ t' d' k g q ġ '>
/w j h/ <w y h>
/r ɽ/ <r ṛ>
/l ʎ ɭ/ <l ⱡ ḷ>
/i iː a aː u uː/ <i î a â u û>

ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː.
Ṇâdgîgyûⱡa qiwarâwtˀ nîn liṛuwtâwt' ḏîḷuwŋâwh. Kâwd', ḏawu nîn ṇit lîyâwâ, d'uw yalmi yâwâ.

or

/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n rn ng>
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/ <b b' tt dd t d d' rt rd th dh k g q gh '>
/w j h/ <w y h>
/r ɽ/ <r rr>
/l ʎ ɭ/ <l ly rl>
/i iː a aː u uː/ <e i a aa o u>

ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː.
Rnaadgigyulya qewaraawth nin lerrowtaawth ddirlowngaawh. Kaawdh, ddawo nin rnet liyaawaa, dhow yalme yaawaa.

[sangi39]

Kezdő's [d̪awu ŋil] Dhawu Ngil:

/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n rn~nr ng>
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/ <b b' th dh t d rt~tr rd~dr t' d' yk~ky yg~gy k g '>
/w j h/ <w j h>
/r ɽ/ <r rr>
/l ʎ ɭ/ <l yl~ly rl>
/i iː a aː u uː/ <i ii a aa u uu>

With pairs of digraphs, the one on the right appears word-initially or after another consonant, while the one on the left appears after a vowel.

ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː

Nraadgyiygjuuyla kiwaraawt' niin lirruwtaawt' dhiirluwngaawh. Kyaawd', dhawu niin nrir liijaawa, d'uw jalmi jaawaa.

[Aybuben]

[d̪awu ŋil] Ddawu Ṅil:

/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ṅ>
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/ <b b' tt dd t d ṭ d' ḍ t' d' k g ḳ ġ '>
/w j h/ <w j h>
/r ɽ/ <r ṛ>
/l ʎ ɭ/ <l lj ḷ>
/i iː a aː u uː/ < i ī a ā u ū>

Ṇād-gīgjūlja ḳi-warāwt' nīn li-ṛuwtāwt' ddī-ḷuwṅāwh. Kāwd', ddawu nīn ṇit lī-jāwā, d'uw jalmi jāwā.
ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː.

[Zontas]

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

The language also has /z ʒ/, so it seems sensible to use digraphs for /dz dʒ/.

So yeah, @Zontas: wut

"Yeah, and then we use single letters for /tS/ and /ts/, because FUCK consistency!"

[Aybuben]

Albanian:

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ņ ng>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d ķ ģ k g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <ts dz tš dž>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v th dh s z š ž h>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <rr r l ll j>
/a e ə o i y u/ <a e y o i ü u>

Are you statisfied now, Zontas? xD

[Ser]

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

The language also has /z ʒ/, so it seems sensible to use digraphs for /dz dʒ/.

So yeah, @Zontas: wut

"Yeah, and then we use single letters for /tS/ and /ts/, because FUCK consistency!"

It doesn't have to be consistent all across, even when it could easily be, you're just being dense. Have you never seen the orthography of Czech? It uses č for /tS/ and dž for /dZ/.

[Zontas]

wut

Maybe he was referring to using a separate letter for the voiceless affricates, while using digraphs for the voiced ones, and not one for both? I dunno, but that always ticks me off.

The language also has /z ʒ/, so it seems sensible to use digraphs for /dz dʒ/.

So yeah, @Zontas: wut

"Yeah, and then we use single letters for /tS/ and /ts/, because FUCK consistency!"

It doesn't have to be consistent all across, even when it could easily be, you're just being dense. Have you never seen the orthography of Czech? It uses č for /tS/ and dž for /dZ/.

That's because Xx was virtually unheard of to represent an affricate. It was practically only used to represent /x/ in some biblical works. And Qq still had the /kv/ value. At the same time, however Cc was /k/ and /ts/ hence it's modern value.

Also if all other EE langs with /dz/ and /z/ contrast jumped off a bridge, should Albanian do it too?

[Zontas]

Albanian:

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ņ ng>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <p b t d ķ ģ k g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <ts dz tš dž>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v th dh s z š ž h>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <rr r l ll j>
/a e ə o i y u/ <a e y o i ü u>

Are you statisfied now, Zontas? xD

Matter of fact, I am.

[Pole, the]

Ignore Zontas.

[dhok]

Drehu:

/p t ʈ tʃ k/
/d ɖ g/
/m̥ n̥ ɲ̊ ŋ̊/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/f θ s x h/
/ð z/
/l̥ l ʍ w/
In addition, /b d͡ʒ v/ appear in loanwords.

/i i: e e: æ æ: ø ø: u u: o o: ɑ ɑ:/

My orthography:
<p t rt kj k>
<d rd g>
<mh nh nhj ngh>
<m n nj ng>
<f þ s ch h>
<ð z>
<lh l w wh>
<b gj v>
<i ii e ee ä ää ö öö u uu o oo a aa>

/ame la aŋeʈe toŋa n̥ei aŋaʈ n̥a ʈo ʍa toŋa. n̥ei aŋaʈ n̥a ʈo kowe la n̥apet i aŋaʈ ʈoa kutʃa la iʈa huliwa i aŋaʈ tʃaie me ɲie me kutʃa la nøei peŋøn la aŋeʈa toŋa/
Ame la angerte tonga nhei angart nha rto wha tonga. Nhei angart nha rto kowe la nhapet i angart rtoa kukja la irta huliwa i angart kjaie me njie me kukja la nöei penhon la angerta toŋa.

Somehow long vowels weren't marked here...

[R.Rusanov]

Albanian:

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <м н њ ҥ>
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ <п б т д ќ ѓ к г>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <ц ѕ ч џ>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <ф в ѳ ҙ с з ш ж х>
/r ɾ l ɫ j/ <ƥ р љ л й>
/a e ə o i y u/ <а е ъ о и ь у>

ати ьнъ ќъ йе нъ ќиел, у шъњтърофтъ емри ьт.
арѳтъ мбретъриа йоте; у бъфтъ дъшира йоте,
си нъ ќиел, еҙе мби ҙе.
букън тонъ тъ пърдитъшме йепна неве сот;
еҙе фаљна файет тона,
сикундър еҙе не уа фаљим файторъвет танъ;
еҙе мос на штйеръ нъ ҥасйе, по шпътона ҥа и љигу;
сепсе йотйа ъштъ мбретъриа е фуќиа е љавдиа нъ йетът тъ йетъвет.

ati ynə cə je nə cieɫ, u ʃəɲtəɾoftə emɾi yt.
aɾθtə mbɾetəɾia jote; u bəftə dəʃiɾa jote,
si nə cieɫ, eðe mbi ðe.
bukən tonə tə pəɾditəʃme jepna neve sot;
eðe falna fajet tona,
sikundəɾ eðe ne ua falim fajtoɾəvet tanə;
eðe mos na ʃtjeɾə nə ŋasje, po ʃpətona ŋa i ligu;
sepse jotja əʃtə mbɾetəɾia e fucia e lavdia nə jetət tə jetəvet.[/quote]

[Aybuben]

Drehu:

/p t ʈ tʃ k/ <p t rt tj k>
/d ɖ g/ <d rd g>
/m̥ n̥ ɲ̊ ŋ̊/ <m n nj ng>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <mm nn nnj nng>
/f θ s x h/ <f th s kh h>
/ð z/ <dh z>
/l̥ l ʍ w/ <l ll w ww>
/b d͡ʒ v/ <b dj v>

/i i: e e: æ æ: ø ø: u u: o o: ɑ ɑ:/ <i ii e ee ä ää ö öö a aa>

Amme lla anngerte tonnga nei anngart na rto wa tonnga. Nei anngart na rto kowwe lla napet i anngart rtoa kutja lla irta huliwwa i anngart tjaie mme nnjie mme kutja lla nnöei penngön lla anngerta tonnga.
/ame la aŋeʈe toŋa n̥ei aŋaʈ n̥a ʈo ʍa toŋa. n̥ei aŋaʈ n̥a ʈo kowe la n̥apet i aŋaʈ ʈoa kutʃa la iʈa huliwa i aŋaʈ tʃaie me ɲie me kutʃa la nøei peŋøn la aŋeʈa toŋa/

[tezcatlip0ca]

ذو ڭل:

/m n ɳ ŋ/ م ن ڻ ڭ
/b ɓ t̪ d̪ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ tˀ dˀ k g q ɢ ʔ/ ب ٻ ث ذ ت د ڏ ط ض ک گ ق غ ء
/w j h/ و ي ه
/r ɽ/ ر ڑ
/l ʎ ɭ/ ل ڷ لؕ

ɳaːd-giːgjuːʎa qi-waraːwtˀ niːn li-ɽuwtaːwtˀ d̪iː-ɭuwŋaːwh. kaːwdˀ, d̪awu niːn ɳit liː-jaːwaː, dˀuw jalmi jaːwaː.
ڻادگيگيوڷ قوراوط نين لڑوتاوط ذيلؕوڭاوه. كاوض، ذو نين ڻيت ليياوا، ضو يلم ياوا.