Romanization challenge thread

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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/m n/ m n
/p b t d c ɟ k g/ p b t d c j k g
/ɸ β θ ð s z ç ʝ x ɣ/ ph bh th dh s z ch jh kh gh
/r l w j/ r l w y

/y ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ a/ v i u e o a
/iː uː eː oː aː/ ii uu ee oo aa
/ʊ͡i ʊ͡u ɛ͡a ɔ͡a ɔ͡u/ ui vu ea oa ou

/mɛ͡any anoːmy βʊrɔʊ bɛ͡an ɣɔ βʊdɛ͡ar mɔ͡adar βrɔ͡adar zweːzɔr zynʊ͡u ðʊɣʊdɛ͡ar/
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Lets try this!:
Ayutla Mixe (/a'juːhk/)
/p t t͡s k ʔ/
/s ʂ h/
/m n/
/w j/
/i ɨ u/
/e ɤ /
/a ʌ/
Syllable structure: minimal V, maximal CCVVCCCC. Clusters with /j/ become palatalised.
Syllable nucleus: V, Vh, V*, Vː, V*V, Vːh, V*Vh with all vowels. No diphthongs. Long nucleus can not be followed by a consonant cluster.
Stress is in the last vowel of the word or the last of the verb root, it is predictable.
NOTE: * stands for a superscript glottal stop, It doesn't show well in this font :c

Sample words:
/tkwentpɨkj/ /hɤ*ɤn/ /a.'nʌ*ʌ.nɨ*n/ /mhʌ*ʌtj/ /te.'kjɤ*tk/ /hʌw/ /niː/ /thɨpkuje*ej/ /ku.mu.tɤː/ /mnɨmempj/ /hɨnpʌhkkɨʂp/ /tʦɤkj/ /nukmɨtjʌ*ʌ'kʌ*ʌnj/ /jnaswʌ*ʌkɨt/ /wenk/ /wa*a/ /mɨ*ɨht/
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Ayuuhk /a'juːhk/

/p t t͡s k ʔ/ p t ts k ʔ
/s ʂ h/ s š h
/m n/ m n
/w j/ w y
/i ɨ u/ i ı u
/e ɤ / e ə
/a ʌ/ a o

a, ah, aˀ, aː, aˀa, aːh, aˀah a ah aʔ aa aʔa aah aʔah

/tkwentpɨkj hɤˀɤn a.'nʌˀʌ.nɨˀn mhʌˀʌtj te.'kjɤˀtk hʌw niː thɨpkujeˀej ku.mu.tɤː mnɨmempj hɨnpʌhkkɨʂp tʦɤkj nukmɨtjʌˀʌ'kʌˀʌnj jnaswʌˀʌkɨt wenk waˀa mɨˀɨht/
tkwentpıky həʔən anoʔonıʔn mhoʔoty tekyəʔtk how nii thıpkuyeʔey kumutəə mnımempy hınpohkkıšp ttsəky nukmıtyoʔokoʔony ynaswoʔokıt wenk waʔa mıʔıht

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Ayuuhk /a'juːhk/

/p t t͡s k ʔ/ <p t z k '>
/s ʂ h/ <s c h>
/m n/ <m n>
/w j/ <w y>
/i ɨ u/ <i į u>
/e ɤ / <e ę>
/a ʌ/ <a o>

/a, ah, aˀ, aː, aˀa, aːh, aˀah/ <a ah a' aa aá aah aáh>

/tkwentpɨkj hɤˀɤn a.'nʌˀʌ.nɨˀn mhʌˀʌtj te.'kjɤˀtk hʌw niː thɨpkujeˀej ku.mu.tɤː mnɨmempj hɨnpʌhkkɨʂp tʦɤkj nukmɨtjʌˀʌ'kʌˀʌnj jnaswʌˀʌkɨt wenk waˀa mɨˀɨht/
Tkwentpįky hęę́n anoónį'n mhoóty tekyę'tk how nii thįpkuyeéy kumutęę mnįmempy hįnpohkkįcp tzęky nukmįtyoókoóny ynaswoókįt wenk waá mįį́ht.
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Adūhk /a'juːhk/

/p t t͡s k ʔ/ <p t c k ɂ>
/s ʂ h/ <s z h>
/m n/ <m n>
/w j/ <b d>

/i ɨ u/ <i eu u>
/e ɤ/ <e o>
/a ʌ/ <a eo>


/tkwentpɨkj hɤ*ɤn a.'nʌ*ʌ.nɨ*n mhʌ*ʌtj te.'kjɤ*tk hʌw niː thɨpkuje*ej ku.mu.tɤː mnɨmempj hɨnpʌhkkɨʂp tʦɤkj nukmɨtjʌ*ʌ'kʌ*ʌnj jnaswʌ*ʌkɨt wenk wa*a mɨ*ɨht/

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How about this?

/m n ɲ/
/p ts t tʃ k/
/b dz d dʒ g/
/f s ʃ x~h/
/v z ʒ/
/ɫ l r j w/

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/

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/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p ts t tʃ k/ <p ts t c(i) c/qu>
/b dz d dʒ g/ <b dz d g(i) g/gu>
/f s ʃ x~h/ <f s ch h>
/v z ʒ/ <v z j>
/ɫ l r j w/ <ll l r y u>

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i u e o à a>
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ <i u e o à a>
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ <ie ou ei oa ae au>

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
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/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/p ts t tʃ k/ <p ts t tx k>
/b dz d dʒ g/ <b ds d dx g>
/f s ʃ x~h/ <f s x h>
/v z ʒ/ <v z j>
/ɫ l r j w/ <wl l r y w>

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i u e o ä a>
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ <í ú é ó â á>
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ <ii uu ee oo ëe aa>

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
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/m n ɲ/ <m n ny>
/p ts t tʃ k/ <p c t č k>
/b dz d dʒ g/ <b dz d j g>
/f s ʃ x~h/ <f s š ḫ~h>
/v z ʒ/ <v z ž>
/ɫ l r j w/ <ll l r y w>

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i u e o æ a>
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ <í ú é ó ǽ á>
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ <ī ū ē ō ǣ ā>

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
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/m n ɲ/ <m n ň> / <m n nh>
/p ts t tʃ k/ <p c t č k> / <p ts t ch c>
/b dz d dʒ g/ <b đ d ď g> / <b dz d dzh g>
/f s ʃ x~h/ <f s š h> / <f s sh h/_x>
/v z ʒ/ <w z ž> / <v z zh>
/ɫ l r j w/ <l ľ r ȋ ȗ> / <lh l r i u>

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i u e o æ a> / <i u e o ae a>
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ <í ú é ó ǽ á> / <ih uh eh oh aeh ah>
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ <ī ū ē ō ǣ ā> / <ii uu ee oo aae aa>


/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/

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Ѳ̢ьс ьз ѳ̢ъ скρьпт ȧ џεнъρълi ȷĭз ѡънεвъρ ȧм ρȧυьҥ Ьҥгльш бȧ хѣнд бът дŏн ѡåн пiпъ̆ тъ ъ̃υъρстѣнд ѡåυ ȧ ρŏт. Ьц̑ моρ оρ лεс фънευьк, ьн ъ ѡė.

(Months ago we had a discussion in this thread on cyrillicizing English; I actually started using it in real life)

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/m n ɲ/ <m n ni~ņ>
/p ts t tʃ k/ <p ti~ţ t ci~ç c>
/b dz d dʒ g/ <b di~ḑ d gi~ģ g>
/f s ʃ x~h/ <f s si~ş h>
/v z ʒ/ <v z zi~z̧>
/ɫ l r j w/ <l li~ļ r i u>

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i~y u e o ea a>
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ <í~ý ú é ó éa á>
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ <î~ŷ û ê ô êa â>

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
<Ļorém îfsium dolór zit êaniet conzêncidiuv headŷpisti éliģ séd dá eiûşmod tuémpoh>
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But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
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/m n ɲ/ m n nh
/p ts t tʃ k/ p ts t tsh k
/b dz d dʒ g/ b dz d dzh g
/f s ʃ x~h/ f s sh x
/v z ʒ/ v z zh
/ɫ l r j w/ lh l r j w

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ i u e o è a
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ í ú é ó ê á
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ íi úu ée óo êe áa

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
lorém íifshum dolhóor zjit êenhet, konzéetshedzuv hèdíipitstsi élidzh séd dá ejúushmod twémpoh

Assuming that /ń/ in /'æːńɛt/ is meant to be /ɲ/.
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R.Rusanov wrote:Ѳ̢ьс ьз ѳ̢ъ скρьпт ȧ џεнъρълi ȷĭз ѡънεвъρ ȧм ρȧυьҥ Ьҥгльш бȧ хѣнд бът дŏн ѡåн пiпъ̆ тъ ъ̃υъρстѣнд ѡåυ ȧ ρŏт. Ьц̑ моρ оρ лεс фънευьк, ьн ъ ѡė.

(Months ago we had a discussion in this thread on cyrillicizing English; I actually started using it in real life)

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/m n ɲ/ ‹m n nj›
/p ts t tʃ k/ ‹p c t q k›
/b dz d dʒ g/ ‹b dz d dj g›
/f s ʃ x~h/ ‹f s x h›
/v z ʒ/ ‹v z zj›
/ɫ l r j w/ ‹lw l r y w›

/i u ɛ ɔ æ ɑ/ ‹i u e o æ a›
/'i 'u 'ɛ 'ɔ 'æ 'ɑ/ ‹í ú é ó ǽ á›
/'iː 'uː 'ɛː 'ɔː 'æː 'ɑː/ ‹î û ê ô æ̂ â›

/lɔ'rɛm 'iːfʃum dɔ'ɫɔːr 'ʒit 'æːńɛt, kɔn'zɛːtʃɛdzuv hæ'diːpistsi 'ɛlidʒ 'sɛd 'da ɛ'juːʃmɔd 'twɛmpɔh/
‹Lorém îfxum dolwôr zjít æ̂njet, konzêqedzuv hædîpisci élidj séd dá eyûxmod twémpoh.›
R.Rusanov wrote:Ѳ̢ьс ьз ѳ̢ъ скρьпт ȧ џεнъρълi ȷĭз ѡънεвъρ ȧм ρȧυьҥ Ьҥгльш бȧ хѣнд бът дŏн ѡåн пiпъ̆ тъ ъ̃υъρстѣнд ѡåυ ȧ ρŏт. Ьц̑ моρ оρ лεс фънευьк, ьн ъ ѡė.

(Months ago we had a discussion in this thread on cyrillicizing English; I actually started using it in real life)

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Ꙋаі ѡл ꙉъ Гҏик летъҏз ѣнд даіъкҏьтьѯ? Ꙉи ѵѱилон фоҏ ъ тѣп симз еспешъли бьзаҏ. Аім гесиӈ іоҏ тҏаіиӈ ту ъвоід модъҏн-ьнвентьд кеҏъктъҏз ѣз фаҏ ѣз пасьбъл—оҏ ьз ꙉеҏ ъ дьфъҏент моꙋтьвеішън?

(Ѡн ъ ҏьлеітьд ноꙋт, аів бьн Сьҏьльсаізиӈ Мѣндърьн фоҏ съм ҏизън:

‹Тѥ̄ншъ̄ӈ ꙋа̀ну̀ и̌ я̌ӈ жъ́н.
Жъ́н у́ ӣша̀н и̌ ба̀ꙋ тѥ̄н.
Ша̄. Ша̄. Ша̄. Ша̄. Ша̄. Ша̄. Ша̄.›)
Nortaneous wrote:нытъинг дъэтс нат он дъ стэндрд рышн кийборд бисайдз <ў>
My constraints (for English) run in the direction of
1. No more than one letter per phoneme
2. No diacritics
3. Prefer original Cyrillic letters to recent inventions
4. Prefer more readable letters (e.g. ӈ rather than ң)
though sometimes the results are poor (‹ꙉ› for /ð/ in particular is not ideal).

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I've submitted a similar phonology in this thread before, but would like to request your orthography proposals for the revised version presented below. My screenreading program is at last able to cope with 'odd' letters beyond the basic accented characters such as a-acute and o-grave.

Consonants

Stops: /p pː b bː t tː d dː c cː ɟ ɟː k kː g gː q qː ʔ/
Fricatives: /f fː v vː s sː z zː ʃ ʃː ʒ ʒː x xː ʁ ʁː ħ ħː ʕ ʕː h hː/
Affricates: /t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ/
Nasals: /m mː n nː ɲ ɲː ŋ ŋː/
Liquids: /l lː ɾ r/
Semivowels: /w wː j jː/

Vowels

High: /i iː y yː ɨ ɨː u uː/
Mid: /ɛ eː œ œː ɜ ɜː o oː/
Low: /æ aː ɑ ɑː/

Edit: So, you can feel free to use any Latin and Latin/Greek-derived symbols listed here.

Edit: IPA typo fixed.
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ɯ is M in x-sampa, so a close back unrounded vowel. I think maybe you want ɑ.

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finlay wrote:ɯ is M in x-sampa, so a close back unrounded vowel. I think maybe you want ɑ.
Whoops, my mistake. Thanks for the heads-up.

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Ꙋаі ѡл ꙉъ Гҏик летъҏз ѣнд даіъкҏьтьѯ?
On account of I know them all and can produce them? It's a scribal thing to save time, like medieval writing. The diacritics especially cut down on the characters necessary for completion: an overdot for palatalization or [j], a breve for labialization or [w], a tilde or ogonek for nasalization, etc.
Ꙉи ѵѱилон фоҏ ъ тѣп симз еспешъли бьзаҏ.


When I'm doing things by hand the alveolar approximant /r/ is represented by <p> with an opening between the two strokes, like <n> with a descender or a backwards eta. The alveolar tap is that, but upside down.

The reason all that's necessary is I'm trying to record things as phonetically as possible. That's why I write <i> and <ĭ> for /i/ and /u/ which, to my ears, surface as [ɨɪ̯] and [ɨʊ̯] in English. So I rarely end up using <р>, <у>, or <и>, but, quoth Qoheleth, "There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens," and in these lonesome latter days, I fear, accuracy trumps consistency.
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Consonants

Stops: /p pː b bː t tː d dː c cː ɟ ɟː k kː g gː q qː ʔ/ p pp b bb t tt d dd ṯ ṯṯ ḏ ḏḏ k kk g gg q qq ’
Fricatives: /f fː v vː s sː z zː ʃ ʃː ʒ ʒː x xː ʁ ʁː ħ ħː ʕ ʕː h hː/ f ff v vv s ss z zz š šš ž žž ḫ ḫḫ ř řř ḥ ḥḥ ‘ ‘‘ h hh
Affricates: /t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ/ c ẑ č
Nasals: /m mː n nː ɲ ɲː ŋ ŋː/ m mm n nn ń ńń ŋ ŋŋ
Liquids: /l lː ɾ r/ l ll r rr
Semivowels: /w wː j jː/ w ww j jj

Vowels

High: /i iː y yː ɨ ɨː u uː/ i ii ü üü ï ïï u uu
Mid: /ɛ eː œ œː ɜ ɜː o oː/ e ee öö ë ëë o oo
Low: /æ aː ɑ ɑː/ ä ää a aa
R.Rusanov wrote:On account of I know them all and can produce them? It's a scribal thing to save time, like medieval writing. The diacritics especially cut down on the characters necessary for completion: an overdot for palatalization or [j], a breve for labialization or [w], a tilde or ogonek for nasalization, etc.
Ꙉи ѵѱилон фоҏ ъ тѣп симз еспешъли бьзаҏ.

When I'm doing things by hand the alveolar approximant /r/ is represented by <p> with an opening between the two strokes, like <n> with a descender or a backwards eta. The alveolar tap is that, but upside down.

The reason all that's necessary is I'm trying to record things as phonetically as possible. That's why I write <i> and <ĭ> for /i/ and /u/ which, to my ears, surface as [ɨɪ̯] and [ɨʊ̯] in English. So I rarely end up using <р>, <у>, or <и>, but, quoth Qoheleth, "There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens," and in these lonesome latter days, I fear, accuracy trumps consistency.
Ah, right, makes sense. I actually use the same glyph for the alveolar approximant in handwriting by sheer coincidence.

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Swedish challenge
This is for standard Swedish.

Consonants
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/f v s ɕ ɧ h/
/r/
/l j/

Long vowels
/i: y: ʉ: u:/
/e: ø: o:/
/ɛ:/
/ɑ:/

Short vowels
/ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/
/e œ ɔ/
[æ]
/a/

The consonants are pretty straight forward, but the vowels are a littly tricky. Stressed syllables have either a long vowel or a long coda consonant, but not both. In unstressed syllables, are sounds are short. There's a quality difference between long and short vowels, in the above chart I have put the short vowels in the same order as the corresponding long ones. The short variants of /e:/ and /ɛ:/ have merged as [e̞], with one exception: The two sounds are distinguished when followed by /r/, wherein /ɛ(:)/ is realized [æ(:)].
There's is also a pitch accent system, with two tones. If simplifying, one could say that one is low and the other high. These are only distinguished in the stressed syllable of about 300 minimal disyllabic pairs. Though prosody can fuck around with the tones. I don't really know how it works, but prosody can cause tone contrasts even in monosyllabic words. :S

Till slut gav Nordanvinden upp försöket. Då lät Solen sina strålar skina helt varmt och genast tog vandraren av sig kappan, och så var Nordanvinden tvungen att erkänna att Solen var den starkaste av de två.
/'tɪl: 'slʉːt 'ɡɑ:v 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'ɵp: fœr'søːket || 'doː 'lɛːt 'suːlen 'si:na 'stroːlar 'ɧiːna 'he:lt 'var:mt ɔ 'jè:nast 'tuːɡ 'van:draren 'ɑ:v sej 'kap:an ɔ 'so: 'vɑ:r 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'tvɵŋ:en 'atː 'eːr'ɕen:a 'at: 'suːlen 'vɑːr den 'stàr:kaste 'ɑ:v 'dɔm: 'tvoː/

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Consonants
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v s ɕ ɧ h/ <f v s c x h>
/r/ <r>
/l j/ <l j>

Long vowels
/i: y: ʉ: u:/ <í ý ű ú>
/e: ø: o:/ <é ő ó>
/ɛ:/ <a̋>
/ɑ:/ <á>

Short vowels
/ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ <i y ü u> <ì ỳ ȕ ù>
/e œ ɔ/ <e ö o> <è ȍ ò>
[æ] <ä> <ȁ>
/a/ <a> <à>
Grave accent is used in stressed syllables.

Tone is only marked where it contrasts (which doesn't happen in this text). The low tone is marked with <w> following the vowel, and high tone with <'>.

Tìl slűt gáv Núrdanvìnden ȕp försőket. Dó la̋t Sólen sína strólar xína hélt vàrmt o jénast túg vàndraren áv sej kàpan o só vár Núrdanvìnden tvȕngen àt ércèna àt Súlen vár den stàrkaste áv dòm tvó.
/'tɪl: 'slʉːt 'ɡɑ:v 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'ɵp: fœr'søːket || 'doː 'lɛːt 'suːlen 'si:na 'stroːlar 'ɧiːna 'he:lt 'var:mt ɔ 'jè:nast 'tuːɡ 'van:draren 'ɑ:v sej 'kap:an ɔ 'so: 'vɑ:r 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'tvɵŋ:en 'atː 'eːr'ɕen:a 'at: 'suːlen 'vɑːr den 'stàr:kaste 'ɑ:v 'dɔm: 'tvoː/
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/m n ŋ/ m n ng
/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/f v s ɕ ɧ h/ f v s sh wh h
/r/ r
/l j/ l j

/ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ i y ü u
/e œ ɔ/ e ö o
[æ] ä
/a/ a

long vowels and consonants indicated by a double letter. (nng, ssh and wwh for the digraphs)

Till slüüt gaav nuurdanvinnden üp försööket. Doo läät suulen siina stroolar whina heelt varrmt o jeenast tuug vanndraren aav sej kappan o soo vaar nuurdanvinnden tvünngen att eershenna att suulen vaar den starrkaste aav domm tvoo.
/'tɪl: 'slʉːt 'ɡɑ:v 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'ɵp: fœr'søːket || 'doː 'lɛːt 'suːlen 'si:na 'stroːlar 'ɧiːna 'he:lt 'var:mt ɔ 'jè:nast 'tuːɡ 'van:draren 'ɑ:v sej 'kap:an ɔ 'so: 'vɑ:r 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'tvɵŋ:en 'atː 'eːr'ɕen:a 'at: 'suːlen 'vɑːr den 'stàr:kaste 'ɑ:v 'dɔm: 'tvoː/

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/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f v s ɕ ɧ h/ <f v s sj hj h>
/r/ <r>
/l j/ <l j>

/ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ i y õ u
/e œ ɔ/ e ö o
[æ] ä
/a/ a

long vowels and consonants indicated by a double letter. (nng, ssj and hhj for the digraphs)

Till slõõt gaav Nuurdanvinnden õpp försööket. Doo läät Suulen siina stroolar hjiina heelt varrmt o jeenast tuug vanndraren aav sej kappan o soo vaar Nuurdanvinnden tvõnngen att eersjenna att Suulen vaar den starrkaste aav domm tvoo.

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Long vowels
/i: y: ʉ: u:/ <í ý ú o>
/e: ø: o:/ <é ǿ ó>
/ɛ:/ <é>
/ɑ:/ <á>

Short vowels
/ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ <i y u u>
/e œ ɔ/ <e ø o>
[æ] <e>
/a/ <a>

/'tɪl: 'slʉːt 'ɡɑ:v 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'ɵp: fœr'søːket || 'doː 'lɛːt 'suːlen 'si:na 'stroːlar 'ɧiːna 'he:lt 'var:mt ɔ 'jè:nast 'tuːɡ 'van:draren 'ɑ:v sej 'kap:an ɔ 'so: 'vɑ:r 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'tvɵŋ:en 'atː 'eːr'ɕen:a 'at: 'suːlen 'vɑːr den 'stàr:kaste 'ɑ:v 'dɔm: 'tvoː/
Till slút gáf Nordanvinnden upp førsǿket. Dó lét Solen sína strólar hjína hélt varrmt o jénast tog vanndraren áf sej kappan o só vár Nordanvinnden tvúnngen att érsjenna att Solen vár den starrkaste áf domm tvó.
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Qwynegold wrote:Swedish challenge
This is for standard Swedish.
A good challenge.

Consonants

Stops: /p p: b b: t t: d d: k k: g g:/ <p pp b bb t tt d dd k kk g gg>
Fricatives: /f f: v v: s s: ɕ ɕ: ɧ ɧ: h h:/ <f ff v vv s ss š šš sj ssj h hh>
Nasals: /m m: n n: ŋ ŋ:/ <m mm n nn ng ngg>
Trill: /r r:/ <r rr>
Approximants: /l l: j j:/ <l ll j jj>

Vowels

Short (low tone)

Row 1: /ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ <i y ø u>
Row 2: /e œ ɔ/ <e ö o>
Row 3: /(æ)/ <(æ)>
Row 4: /a/ <a>

Long (low tone)

Row 1: /i: y: ʉ: u:/ <ii yy uu ou>
Row 2: /e: ø: o:/ <ee öö oo>
Row 3: /ɛ:/ <ææ>
Row 4: /ɑ:/ <aa>

Short (high tone)

Row 1: /ɪ ʏ ɵ ʊ/ <í ý ǿ ú>
Row 2: /e œ ɔ/ <é ő ó>
Row 3: /(æ)/ <ǽ>
Row 4: /a/ <á>

Long (high tone)

Row 1: /i: y: ʉ: u:/ <íí ýý úú óu>
Row 2: /e: ø: o:/ <éé őő óó>
Row 3: /ɛ:/ <ǽǽ>
Row 4: /ɑ:/ <áá>

Sample text

/'tɪl: 'slʉːt 'ɡɑ:v 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'ɵp: fœr'søːket || 'doː 'lɛːt 'suːlen 'si:na 'stroːlar 'ɧiːna 'he:lt 'var:mt ɔ 'jè:nast 'tuːɡ 'van:draren 'ɑ:v sej 'kap:an ɔ 'so: 'vɑ:r 'nuːrdan'vɪn:den 'tvɵŋ:en 'atː 'eːr'ɕen:a 'at: 'suːlen 'vɑːr den 'stàr:kaste 'ɑ:v 'dɔm: 'tvoː/

<Till sluut ɡaav Nourdanvinnden øpp försööket. Doo lææt Soulen siina stroolar sjiina heelt varrmt o jeenast touɡ vanndraren aav sej kappan o soo vaar Nourdanvinnden tvønggen att eeršenna att Soulen vaar den starrkaste aav domm tvoo.>

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Haha, it's odd seeing <sj hj wh> being used differently. :mrgreen: Oh, and maybe I should have mentioned that the consonants /v ɕ h/ don't have long versions. When it comes to /ŋ/, I'm not sure if there is a phonemic short version or not.
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