Romanization challenge thread

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Proto-Pannonian:

/p b t d ts tʃ dʒ k g kʷ gʷ/
/s h/
/m n/
/l ɾ r j w/
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/
/ai̯ au̯ əi̯ əu̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/
Stress is contrastive. All vowels can be nasalized, all consonants but /r h/ can be palatalized (always before /i i:/), and all consonants but the semivowels and rhotics can be geminated. /kʲ gʲ/ contrast with /kj gj/.

aˈreːks jət || ˈha untʃunˈta jət | ˈhuːjukja kriːpʲit || ˈha tusʲu ˈbʲərtoːrũ pũrsətsʲi | ˈhuːju mai̯ dʒunʲiːˈta || ˈha ˈbʲərtoːr tə̃ aˈreːkũ ɾũˈwʲəu̯kʲitsʲi | huːlˈtʃədʲi tsʲiˈwʲaːi̯ ˈau̯hraːi̯ || aˈreːks ai̯nákjatʃtaːi̯ tsʲiˈwʲai̯ ɾõːmáːtʃʲːət
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nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
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/p b t d ts tʃ dʒ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d c č ž k g qu gu>
/s h/ <s h>
/m n/ <m n>
/l ɾ r j w/ <l ř r y v>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ <a e i u à è o ì ù>
/ai̯ au̯ əi̯ əu̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ <ai au ei eu...>
Stress is contrastive. <á â> All vowels can be nasalized <ą> , all consonants but /r h/ can be palatalized <i> (always before /i i:/), and all consonants but the semivowels and rhotics can be geminated. /kʲ gʲ/ contrast with /kj gj/.

aˈreːks jət || ˈha untʃunˈta jət | ˈhuːjukja kriːpʲit || ˈha tusʲu ˈbʲərtoːrũ pũrsətsʲi | ˈhuːju mai̯ dʒunʲiːˈta || ˈha ˈbʲərtoːr tə̃ aˈreːkũ ɾũˈwʲəu̯kʲitsʲi | huːlˈtʃədʲi tsʲiˈwʲaːi̯ ˈau̯hraːi̯ || aˈreːks ai̯nákjatʃtaːi̯ tsʲiˈwʲai̯ ɾõːmáːtʃʲːət
Arêks yet. Há unčuntá yet, hûyukya krípit. Há tusiu biértorų pųrseci, hûyu mai žunìtá. Há biértor tę arêkų řųviéukici, hùlčédi civiâi áuhrài. Arêks ainákyačtài civiái řǫmâččet.
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/p b t d ts tʃ dʒ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d c č ǰ k g kw gw>
/s h/ <s h>
/m n/ <m n>
/l ɾ r j w/ <l ɽ r y w>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ <a e i u ā ē o ī ū>
/ai̯ au̯ əi̯ əu̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ <ai au ei eu āi āu ēi ēu oi ou>
Stress is contrastive. <á â> All vowels can be nasalized <a̱> , all consonants but /r h/ can be palatalized <Cʸ> (always before /i i:/), and all consonants but the semivowels and rhotics can be geminated <CC> . /kʲ gʲ/ contrast with /kj gj/.

aˈreːks jət || ˈha untʃunˈta jət | ˈhuːjukja kriːpʲit || ˈha tusʲu ˈbʲərtoːrũ pũrsətsʲi | ˈhuːju mai̯ dʒunʲiːˈta || ˈha ˈbʲərtoːr tə̃ aˈreːkũ ɾũˈwʲəu̯kʲitsʲi | huːlˈtʃədʲi tsʲiˈwʲaːi̯ ˈau̯hraːi̯ || aˈreːks ai̯nákjatʃtaːi̯ tsʲiˈwʲai̯ ɾõːmáːtʃʲːət
Arêks yet. Ha unčuntá yet, hûyukya krīpit. Ha tusʸu bʸértōru̱ pu̱rseci, hûyu mai ǰunītá. Ha bʸértōr te̱ arêku̱ ɽu̱ wʸeukici, hūlčédi ciwʸâi áuhrāi. Arêks ainákyačtāi ciwʸái ɽō̱mâččʸet.

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/p t ʈ c k ʔ/ <b d rd j g '>
/pː tː ʈː cː kː/ <p t rt ch k>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n rn ny ng>
/ɻ ɾ/ <r rr>
/w l ɭ j/ <w l rl y>

/i ɨ u e a o/ <i ü u e a o>

/paŋa-walaŋ-japːaʔ-pawa jacːa. ŋa-maɲ, kutːapːɨɭ, cɨɳɨna kaʈana, micːintaʔ kan. micːintaʔ piɾi pak-ɻoɾʔmɨɳ, ki-tamul-pɨʈmɨɾn. micːintaʔ piɾipak-ɻoɾʔmɨɳ ciʔ, nɨntacːiʔma ɻija kaɭaŋ-poʈoʔmɨɳ. ŋapak-ɻoɾʔmiɲ kuwa kaɭaŋ-poʈoʔ kan. ŋapak-ɻoɾʔmiɲ. putːan japːanʔ ŋa-juweɲ. kuʈaɾcːina, nɨnta cːiʔ kaɭaŋ-poʈoʔmiɲ. kaɭaŋ-poʈoʔmiɲ. ŋa-majamaɲ ŋa-na. ŋa-moɭomoɭo-wawiɲ kumuɾ jaɾakːunʔ koɻoŋoɾʔkaʔ ki-ʈoʈoʔ. pɨnta walama ŋa-maɲ ŋeɾkmomoʔkaʔ. paɾpːuʔ koɭkːoɭk kan ŋaji-waɾwaɾkapijumaɲ. ŋanapːaɾu ŋaji-waɾwaɾkapijumaɲ koɭkːoɭk kan ŋa-ɻija. ŋinta jukːanʔta, takːu ŋɨnɨ paɾaʔjiʔma paɾapːaʔ-tɻapumʔmiɲ pakoc jaɾaman ŋoŋ, paɾapːaʔ-mutpunijumaɲ jaɾa-maɲ kapːul. jeneʔkuɾa jaɾ-maɳiɲʔmiɲ. ken kɨʔtɨ; taʔna Joɾjoɾʔ. joɾjoɾʔ jaɾ-maɳiɲʔmiɲ. joɾjoɾʔ wala jaɾ-ŋeʔmiɲ, ŋeɾkmomo keɻpːeɾ patːɨʔ wala, natːɨʔ Pulmanca. natːɨnta jat ɻalk pɨnta ka-tuɻu. pɨnta jaɾ-maɳiɲʔmiɲ kapːul Pulmanca. kuʈaɾcːina kilaʔpɨ-coʈoʔmiɲ, jaɾa-ʈicmiɲ Pamiɾaʔkoɭoʔkaʔ. ŋa-na: "kaʈa woʔ, panʔ macːiniɲʔ, paɾpːuʔ watɨ ŋa-maɳiɲʔɲa. wuɾu poc ŋɨnɨjiʔ ŋan-jinɨʔwa kuɭpːuɾ jat ŋa-maɳinʔmiɲ."/

Banga-walang-yapa'-bawa yacha. Nga-many, gutapürl, jürnüna gardana, michinda' gan. Michinda' birri bag-rorr'mürn, gi-damul-bürdmürrn. Michinda' birribag-rorr'mürn ji', nündachi'ma riya garlang-bordo'mürn. Ngabag-rorr'miny guwa garlang-bordo' gan. Ngabag-rorr'miny. Butan yapan' nga-yuweny. Gurdarrchina, nünda chi' garlang-bordo'miny. Garlang-bordo'miny. Nga-mayamany nga-na. Nga-morlomorlo-wawiny gumurr yarrakun' gorongorr'ga' gi-rdordo'. Bünda walama nga-many ngerrgmomo'ga'. Barrpu' gorlggorlg gan ngayi-warrwarrgabiyumany. Nganaparru ngayi-warrwarrgabiyumany gorlggorlg gan nga-riya. Nginda yukan'da, daku ngünü barra'yi'ma barrapa'-drabum'miny bagoj yarraman ngong, barrapa'-mudbuniyumany yarra-many gapul. Yene'gurra yarr-marniny'miny. Gen gü'dü; da'na Yorryorr'. Yorryorr' yarr-marniny'miny. Yorryorr' wala yarr-nge'miny, ngerrgmomo gerperr batü' wala, natü' Bulmanja. Natünda yad ralg bünda ga-duru. Bünda yarr-marniny'miny gapul Bulmanja. Gurdarrchina gila'bü-jordo'miny, yarra-rdijminy Bamirra'gorlo'ga'. Nga-na: "Garda wo', ban' machininy', barrpu' wadü nga-marniny'nya. Wurru boj ngünüyi' ngan-yinü'wa gurlpurr yad nga-marnin'miny."

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Consonants:
/pʰ~f~p p β t̪ʰ~t̪s̪~t̪ t̪ ð tʰ~t~tʃ t d~r~ð ʈ ʈʰ~ʂ~ʈ ɖ~ɻ kʰ~k k ɣ q~ʔ/
/m n̪~n n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/f v s̪ z̪ ʃ ʂ h/
/tʃ dʒ/
/(r) l~ɺ ʁ̞~h ɭ~ɺ̢  ʎ~lj j w/
/mp mb n̪t̪ n̪d̪ nt nd ɳʈ ɳɖ ŋk ŋg/
/n̪t̪s̪ ɲtʃ ɲdʒ/
/ɱb̪v n̪d̪z̪/
The aspirated plosives are rare and currently in the process of being either deaspirated or conditionally transformed into affricates or fricatives and so far have been reduced to occuring only sporadically at the alveolar and velar POA in most dialects. The single most conservative dialect, however, is notorious for retaining the entire aspirated series in all positions.
/q/ and the glottal stop are positional allophones everywhere except in Arabic loanwords, with /q/ being found word-initially and /ʔ/ being found everywhere else. In Arabic loanwords, however, distinction between /q/ and /ʔ/ is maintained by most speakers and is considered to be correct and prestigious.
/β ð ɣ/ have been formed by the weakening of /b d̪ g/ and therefore pattern with plosives. They fortition to full plosives when prenasalised.
/d ɖ/ weaken to /r ɻ/ in the same way, but this process is much more sporadic - absent from most loanwords, where the contrast between /d/ and /r/ is maintained in the same way as the contrast between /q/ and /ʔ/ mentioned above - and wholly absent in some dialects. Some dialects support the weakening of /d/, but weaken it into /ð/ instead of /r/, thus retaining the dental-alveolar contrast only in the prenasalised series.
The voiceless prenasalised series corresponds to the (former) aspirated plain one and is therefore rare, while the voiced prenasalised series corresponds to both voiced and voiceless plain ones.
The dental nasal has been merged with the alveolar one in most dialects.
/ʁ̞/ is retained only in the particularly conservative dialect mentioned above, everywhere else it has merged with /h/.
In dialects where lenition of /d/ and /ɖ/ is absent, alveolar and retroflex lateral approximants tend to become flaps at the same POA, while the palatal one becomes a /lj/ sequence.
Postalveolar affricates and fricatives are considered to be palatal by the morphology, though this doesn't affect their actual realisation.

Vowels:
/i ɪ ɨ u ʊ ɛ ɔ a/
/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/ can be long and/or nasalised, but nasal vowels are only found word-finally and before fricatives.
All vowels can be tonic, with the high tone being marked.

Syllables are limited to the (C)(W)V form in the native vocabulary, though loanwords allow for (C)(W)V(C) syllables in some cases.

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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this isn't my conlang

/p t k/
/m n ŋ/
/ɾ/
/r̥/
/β ð s ɣ/
/w l j/
/h/

/i y u e ø o ɛ œ ɔ a ɒ/
/ɨ/

/aan-ɔhɛ tetɨkyn ɒl llɒð || œβwar maaβɔrɣɛ βoɣ lœn ||
nnɒr rki ɣaβɛ ɣarja ɣamryrp jɛhu ɣamhaβyl ɣamtep ɔmaɣɔ kɨte ðoð njo lyn Sinar || nnɒr ɣamlro ðɛr ||
ɣamlro majaajan aðœŋœn kɨte βe ɣrjap βɒrkyn ɒpɒrkœn βe "kam! jɒru tɨhyrsa akar βriβ te tɨkœɛpɨn tœblɒð iða | tɨrœspɨn ɛjɛð hœrɔ ||
nnɒr rki ɣaβe "ɣɛ || tɨrœsp ɔhɛ hɒr tɨrœsp yβjøl pɛrɛ rɛɣrɛɣ usi te βoɣ lœn | œtœlœn ɣɨtep laðalan || taaser ite βoɣ hɒr tɨta-jalhal-tyt-kɔs-hɔβ ɔhɛ | talrɔ rœr lɒhɒn tetɨkyn
nnɒr jɛtar masaŋœr βɔtɔn ɣɨtɨryp ɔhɛ mam nɔn aðœŋœn ɣaβe ɣarœsp yβjøl mam nɔn ɣaβe ɣarœsp ||/

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Knit Tie's

/pʰ~f~p p β/
ph p b

/t̪ʰ~t̪s̪~t̪ t̪ ð/
tc c dh

/tʰ~t~tʃ t d~r~ð/
th t d

/ʈ ʈʰ~ʂ~ʈ ɖ~ɻ/
tr thr dr

/kʰ~k k ɣ q~ʔ/
kh k g q (or ' for /ʔ/ in Arabic loanwords)

/m n̪~n n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
m dn n nr ny ng

/f v s̪ z̪ ʃ ʂ h/
f v s z sh sr h

/tʃ dʒ/
ch j

/(r) l~ɺ ʁ̞~h ɭ~ɺ̢  ʎ~lj j w/
r l hr lr ly y w

/mp mb n̪t̪ n̪d̪ nt nd ɳʈ ɳɖ ŋk ŋg/
mp mb nc ndh nt nd ntr ndr nk ngg

/n̪t̪s̪ ɲtʃ ɲdʒ ɱb̪v n̪d̪z̪/
nts nch nj mbv ndz

Consonant clusters are distinguished from digraphs (where necessary) by <'>.

/i ɪ ɨ u ʊ ɛ ɔ a/
ì i y ù u e o a

Long /i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/
ii yy uu ee oo aa

Nasality is shown by suffixing <m> or <n> (<n> before coronals, <m> otherwise).

High tone: î í ý û ú é ó á

Can we have an example text please?
[i]Linguistics will become a science when linguists begin standing on one another's shoulders instead of on one another's toes.[/i]
—Stephen R. Anderson

[i]Málin eru höfuðeinkenni þjóðanna.[/i]
—Séra Tómas Sæmundsson

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Unnamed European isolate:

/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x h/
/(w) l r j/

/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/
/iː ɨː uː ɛː ɔː aː/
/ui ei ɛu ɔi ou ai au/

/ŋ/ when not followed by a velar is confined to loanwords
Some speakers pronounce /w/ in loanwords; others level it to /v/
/g/ has the allophone [ɣ] after vowels
/dʒ/ alternates with post-vocalic /ʒ/ in a similar fashion, but because /ʒ/ from other sources occurs elsewhere they must be considered separate phonemes
/r/ varies heavily by dialect with just about every European rhotic (including the uvular ones) as possibilities
Sequences of a velar followed by a front vowel or /j/ are confined to loanwords and onomatopoeia; velars alternate morphologically with palatoalveolars in native vocabulary
/l/ is velarized except when it precedes a front vowel or /j/
/ɛ a/ become schwa and near-open central vowel when unstressed
Phonotactics not fully ironed out yet but similar to Romanian

(Sorry, doing this post from phone)
[ʈʂʰɤŋtɕjɑŋ], or whatever you can comfortably pronounce that's close to that

Formerly known as Primordial Soup

Supporter of use of [ȶ ȡ ȵ ȴ] in transcription

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a 青.

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An as-of-yet unnamed conlang

/n ɲ/
/t̪ t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/
/θ s ʃ ç~x~h/
/l̪ j w/
/r/

/i y u e ø ɤ o æ ɑ/

- Front-back vowel harmony with /i/ patterning neutrally
- [h] appears syllable initially or intervocalically, [x] after a back vowel, and [ç] after a front vowel
- Consonant gemination is contrastive
- Stress falls on the initial syllable and is not contrastive
- /ɲ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ/ come from an earlier /nʲ t͡sʲ rʲ sʲ/

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/p b t d (tɕ) k g q ɢ/ <p b t d c k g k~q g~g'>
/f v s~θ z~ð ʃ ʒ (ɕ x) h/ <f v s z sh zh h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng~n>
/r l j w/ <r l y w>

-RTR: /æ ɘ ʉ i̯ɘ y̯ʉ/ <a~ã e~ẽ u i̯ u̯>
+RTR: /ɑ ə ʊ u̯ʊ/ <a e o o̯>

/ŋg/ /ŋɢ/ are written <ngh>. /k q/ and /g ɢ/ are disambiguated only when they occur in words that don't have the right vowel set. /æ ɘ/ and /ɑ ə/ are disambiguated only when there can be confusion. disharmonic words have disharmonic parts broken with hyphens.

/bʊrəŋɢə y̯ʉtki̯ɘn zɑmɑndɑ, bɘr dɑnəʃpɑn kɘsɘ, bɑɢdɑt ʃɑhɑrənəŋ bɘr ʉlki̯ɘn qɑzəsənəŋ ʉjɘni̯ɘ ki̯ɘlɘp qu̯ʊnəptə. qɑzəmi̯ɘni̯ɘn sy̯ʉjli̯ɘsɘp, qɑzənə sy̯ʉzgi̯ɘ ʒi̯ɘŋi̯ɘ bi̯ɘrɘptɘ. su̯ʊndɑ qɑzə qu̯ʊrqəp, — "bʊl mɑɢɑn ki̯ɘlgi̯ɘn bɑlɑ — mi̯ɘnɘŋ qɑzələɢəmdə tɑrtəp ɑlsɑ ki̯ɘri̯ɘk! ni̯ɘ di̯ɘ bu̯ʊlsɑ, bʊɢɑn ʒɑlənəp, səj bi̯ɘrɘp, u̯ʊrnəmdɑ qɑlɑjən!“ — di̯ɘp, qɑtənənɑ ɑqəldɑsəptə./

Borenghe u̯tkin zamanda, bẽr daneshpan kẽse, bagdat shahareneng bẽr ulkin kazeseneng uyeni kilep ko̯nepte. Kaze-minin su̯ylisep, kazene su̯zgi zhingi birepte. So̯nda kaze ko̯rkep, — "Bol magan kilgin bala — mineng kazelegemde tartep alsa kirik! Ni di bo̯lsa, bogan zhalenep, sey birep, o̯rnemda kalayen!“ — dip, katenena akeldasepte.

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/n ɲ/ <n ń>
/t̪ t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/ <t c ć ŕ k>
/θ s ʃ ç~x~h/ <ŧ s ś h>
/l̪ j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i y u e ø ɤ o æ ɑ/ <i ü~u u e ö~o è~e o æ~a a>

- Front-back vowel harmony with /i/ patterning neutrally. (Disharmonic word are split according to their harmony with a hyphen)
- [h] appears syllable initially or intervocalically, [x] after a back vowel, and [ç] after a front vowel
- Consonant gemination is contrastive
- Stress falls on the initial syllable and is not contrastive
- /ɲ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ/ come from an earlier /nʲ t͡sʲ rʲ sʲ/

sod͡ʒ yl̪ aθul̪ju ustæhe atuktɤ | kæne nuʃ ɤxsuntɤ yr øst͡ʃiç na kunuhɤ wulin | hoʃ yntewæ ajlo serke θikte | øwet haɲɤ nujut͡ʃtɤ

Soŕ ül aŧulju us-tähe atukte. Käne nux èhsunte ür ösćih na kunuhe wulin. Hoś üntewa ajlo serke ŧikte. Öwet hańe nujućte.

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somehomo wrote:An as-of-yet unnamed conlang

/n ɲ/
/t̪ t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/
/θ s ʃ ç~x~h/
/l̪ j w/
/r/

/i y u e ø ɤ o æ ɑ/

- Front-back vowel harmony with /i/ patterning neutrally
- [h] appears syllable initially or intervocalically, [x] after a back vowel, and [ç] after a front vowel
- Consonant gemination is contrastive
- Stress falls on the initial syllable and is not contrastive
- /ɲ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ/ come from an earlier /nʲ t͡sʲ rʲ sʲ/

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/n ɲ/ n ny
/t̪ t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/ t c cy ry k
/θ s ʃ ç~x~h/ z s sy h
/l̪ j w/ l y w
/r/ r

/i y u e ø ɤ o æ ɑ/
i ü u e ö ë o ä a

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(I assume <a> in your example is meant to be /ɑ/?)
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My own orthography of the unnamed Eurolang:
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ni/ń ng>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c/k/qu g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <tz/z zz/z ci/ć gi/ǵ>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v th dh s/ss z/s si/sci/ś/chi zi/ź/gi/ǵ ch h>
/(w) l r j/ <w l r j>

/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/ <i y u e o a>
/iː ɨː uː ɛː ɔː aː/ <í ý ú é ó á>
/ui ei ɛu ɔi ou ai au/ <ui ei eu oi ou ai au>

The consonant di/trigraphs ending in <i> are used before vowels, while the acute accented characters are used before consonants or word-finally. Additionally, <c g ch> have their soft values of /tʃ (d)ʒ ʃ/ before <i> or <e>, with or without an accent. As noted before, the hard values preceding a front vowel are confined to loanwords, where they generally retain the source language's spelling, and onomatopoeia, where /k/ may be spelled <k>.
<ǵ> and soft <g> have the value of /dʒ/ word-initially and after consonants, but /ʒ/ after vowels. A postvocalic /dʒ/ is spelled <ggi>, or <gg> before a softening vowel; the affricate does not occur before consonants or word-finally except in recent loans.
<z> historically could mean any of /ts dz z/ with little regard for position, and this practice is still seen in some proper names. In the modern orthography <z> has the value of /z/ outside of a few specific suffixes, while the doubled form <zz> is used for /dz/ and <tz> for /ts/ otherwise. <zi> before a vowel and <ź> always have the value of /ʒ/.
<s> has the value of /s/ word-initially, word-finally, before a voiceless consonant, and after any consonant; it has the value of /z/ intervocalically and before voiced consonants. Intervocalic /s/ is written <ss>.
The letters <k q w x>, and the digraph <ng> when used for /ŋ/ and not /ŋg/, are largely confined to loans.
Most consonants may be orthographically doubled intervocalically, but aside from the aforementioned cases this has no effect on the modern pronunciation. Digraphs ending in <i> double the first letter only. <tz th dh ch h j> are never doubled.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n nj n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <tj dj kj gj>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v th dh s z sj zj kh h>
/(w) l r j/ <(v) l r y>

/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/ <i ü u e o a>
/iː ɨː uː ɛː ɔː aː/ <ii üü uu ee oo aa>
/ui ei ɛu ɔi ou ai au/ <ui ei eu oi ou ai au>
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/pʌˈl̪ä́t͡skʲi/
Consonants:
Nasals: /m/ /mʲ/ /n̪/ /ɲ̟/ /ŋ/. The distinction is neutralised in syllable coda, where they elide, nasalising the preceding vowel. If the next word begins with a vowel, the nasal undergoes liaison.
Stops: /p/ /pʲ/ /b/ /bʲ/ /t̪/ /tʲ/ /t̪ʰ/ /d̪/ /dʲ/ /kʲ/ /gʲ/ /q/ /ɢ/. Voiced stops occur only word-initially and before nasals, where they become unreleased and nasalised. Voiceless stops are aspirated when they precede a nasal vowel, /t̪ʰ/ exists additionaly in some function words.
Affricates: /t̪͡s̪/ /t͡sʲ/ /d̪͡z̪/ /d͡zʲ/ /t̪͡θ/ /d̪͡ð/ /t͡ʃ/ /d͡ʒ/ /t͡ɕ/ /dʑ/.
Fricatives: /f/ /fʲ/ /s̪/ /sʲ/ /z̪/ /zʲ/ /θ/ /ð/ /ʃ/ /ʒ/ /ɕ/ /ʑ/ /xʲ/ /χ/.
Rhotics: /r/ /rʲ/.
Laterals: /l̪/ /lʲ/.
Consonants can form even five-element clusters and be geminated. The one that can't be geminated is /ŋ/. There is no POA assimilation, except that nonpalatal(ised) phonemes can't form one cluster with palatal(ised) ones. Only palatal(ised) and not having a palatal(ised) corresponding phonemes can appear before /i/, only other can appear before /ɘ/. Dental non-sibilants and uvulars correspond to palatoalveolars and prevelars, respectively.
Vowels:
i y u
e ø ɘ ɤ o
ɛ œ ʌ ɔ
a ɶ ä ɒ̈
All vowels can be either short or long and bear mid (default), high or low tone. Tones are distinctive even in not stressed syllables. There are no diphthongs and contour tones.

Stress is phonemic alongside with tone system, it can fall on the ultimate or penultimate syllable.

To explain. this phonology is based on my relaxed speech. Yes, it can exist. :-D

P.S. If someone comes up with something very great, can I use it?

EDIT: Text for writing down:
/‖ pʌˈθœ̀ːm i ɲ̟é ỳːˈðɘ̀ːm ‖ tʌ́ ˈbɤ̀ː ˈd͡ʑìːn̪ɛ ‖ ˈt̪ʰäm ˈbɤ̀ː ˈpθéːɕt͡ɕe d̪ʌ ˈrʲǿː d̪ɛ ðäˈnéːro ‖ ftʰɘm ˈmʲeɕt͡ɕe z̪n̪áːˈɒ̈̀ː ɕe ˈd̪uðʌ ˈɶ́ːnä ‖ ɔ́ ˈqurːɛ ‖ ˈχɘ̀ː ˈt̪͡s̪ʌɕ pʌkʲœ́ːˈɕỳːm ‖ n̪ʌ ˈmʌ̀ðɛ t͡ɕýt ˈén̪t̪͡s̪éː ɲ̟iθ ˈt̪rʌχɛ ‖/
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n gn ng>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <tz z ki/tg gi/dg>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v ç c s/ss z/s sc j ch h>
/(w) l r j/ <(w) l r y>

/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/ <i è u e o a>
/iː ɨː uː ɛː ɔː aː/ <í ê ú é ó á>
/ui ei ɛu ɔi ou ai au/ <ui ei eu oi ou ai au>

or

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n gn ng>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c/qu g/gu>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <tz z ch/c(e/i) j/g(e/i)>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v xh/th x s/ss z/s sch j/g(e/i)/jh çh h>
/(w) l r j/ <(w) l r y/i>

/i ɨ u ɛ ɔ a/ <i u ou e o a>
/iː ɨː uː ɛː ɔː aː/ <ih uh ouh eh oh ah>
/ui ei ɛu ɔi ou ai au/ <oui ei eo oi ô ai ao> (or /ou/ <oe>)
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ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:/pʌˈl̪ä́t͡skʲi/
Consonants:
Nasals: /m/ /mʲ/ /n̪/ /ɲ̟/ /ŋ/. The distinction is neutralised in syllable coda, where they elide, nasalising the preceding vowel. If the next word begins with a vowel, the nasal undergoes liaison.
Stops: /p/ /pʲ/ /b/ /bʲ/ /t̪/ /tʲ/ /t̪ʰ/ /d̪/ /dʲ/ /kʲ/ /gʲ/ /q/ /ɢ/. Voiced stops occur only word-initially and before nasals, where they become unreleased and nasalised. Voiceless stops are aspirated when they precede a nasal vowel, /t̪ʰ/ exists additionaly in some function words.
Affricates: /t̪͡s̪/ /t͡sʲ/ /d̪͡z̪/ /d͡zʲ/ /t̪͡θ/ /d̪͡ð/ /t͡ʃ/ /d͡ʒ/ /t͡ɕ/ /dʑ/.
Fricatives: /f/ /fʲ/ /s̪/ /sʲ/ /z̪/ /zʲ/ /θ/ /ð/ /ʃ/ /ʒ/ /ɕ/ /ʑ/ /xʲ/ /χ/.
Rhotics: /r/ /rʲ/.
Laterals: /l̪/ /lʲ/.
Consonants can form even five-element clusters and be geminated. The one that can't be geminated is /ŋ/. There is no POA assimilation, except that nonpalatal(ised) phonemes can't form one cluster with palatal(ised) ones. Only palatal(ised) and not having a palatal(ised) corresponding phonemes can appear before /i/, only other can appear before /ɘ/. Dental non-sibilants and uvulars correspond to palatoalveolars and prevelars, respectively.
Vowels:
i y u
e ø ɘ ɤ o
ɛ œ ʌ ɔ
a ɶ ä ɒ̈
All vowels can be either short or long and bear mid (default), high or low tone. Tones are distinctive even in not stressed syllables. There are no diphthongs and contour tones.

Stress is phonemic alongside with tone system, it can fall on the ultimate or penultimate syllable.

To explain. this phonology is based on my relaxed speech. Yes, it can exist. :-D

P.S. If someone comes up with something very great, can I use it?

EDIT: Text for writing down:
/‖ pʌˈθœ̀ːm i ɲ̟é ỳːˈðɘ̀ːm ‖ tʌ́ ˈbɤ̀ː ˈd͡ʑìːn̪ɛ ‖ ˈt̪ʰäm ˈbɤ̀ː ˈpθéːɕt͡ɕe d̪ʌ ˈrʲǿː d̪ɛ ðäˈnéːro ‖ ftʰɘm ˈmʲeɕt͡ɕe z̪n̪áːˈɒ̈̀ː ɕe ˈd̪uðʌ ˈɶ́ːnä ‖ ɔ́ ˈqurːɛ ‖ ˈχɘ̀ː ˈt̪͡s̪ʌɕ pʌkʲœ́ːˈɕỳːm ‖ n̪ʌ ˈmʌ̀ðɛ t͡ɕýt ˈén̪t̪͡s̪éː ɲ̟iθ ˈt̪rʌχɛ ‖/
Now that is a challenge.

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Diego: your last vowel, ɒ̈ , is that meant to be low back rounded vowel with centralised diacritic? Just checking I have it right.
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An as-of-yet unnamed conlang

/n ɲ/ <n ň>
/t̪ t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/ <t c č ř k>
/θ s ʃ ç~x~h/ <z s š h>
/l̪ j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i y u e ø ɤ o æ ɑ/
<i ü u e ö õ ä a>

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Echobeats wrote:Diego: your last vowel, ɒ̈ , is that meant to be low back rounded vowel with centralised diacritic? Just checking I have it right.
No, I mean low central rounded vowel. It comes from normal /wä/, so standard Polish "łan" (fief of field) is [ˈɒ̈̃] (|wän|).
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ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Only palatal(ised) and not having a palatal(ised) corresponding phonemes can appear before /i/, only other can appear before /ɘ/. Dental non-sibilants and uvulars correspond to palatoalveolars and prevelars, respectively.
Can you please clarify what you mean by these two sentences?
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Echobeats wrote:
ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Only palatal(ised) and not having a palatal(ised) corresponding phonemes can appear before /i/, only other can appear before /ɘ/. Dental non-sibilants and uvulars correspond to palatoalveolars and prevelars, respectively.
Can you please clarify what you mean by these two sentences?
Diego means that palatalized and non-palatalized consonants are in complementary distribution before /i/ and /ɘ/, respectively, and palatoalveolars and prevelars are the palatalized counterparts of dental non-sibilants and uvulars.
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/pʌˈl̪ä́t͡skʲi/ <Po·lac³ki>

Consonants:
Nasals: /m/ /mʲ/ /n̪/ /ɲ̟/ /ŋ/. <m m~mi n ń n~ng>
The distinction is neutralised in syllable coda, where they elide, nasalising the preceding vowel. If the next word begins with a vowel, the nasal undergoes liaison.
Stops: /p/ /pʲ/ /b/ /bʲ/ /t̪/ /tʲ/ /t̪ʰ/ /d̪/ /dʲ/ /kʲ/ /gʲ/ /q/ /ɢ/. <p p~pi b b~bi t t~ti th d d~di k~ki g~gi k g>
Voiced stops occur only word-initially and before nasals, where they become unreleased and nasalised. Voiceless stops are aspirated when they precede a nasal vowel, /t̪ʰ/ exists additionaly in some function words.
Affricates: /t̪͡s̪/ /t͡sʲ/ /d̪͡z̪/ /d͡zʲ/ /t̪͡θ/ /d̪͡ð/ /t͡ʃ/ /d͡ʒ/ /t͡ɕ/ /dʑ/. <c c~ci dz dz~dzi tr dr cz drz ć dź>
Fricatives: /f/ /fʲ/ /s̪/ /sʲ/ /z̪/ /zʲ/ /θ/ /ð/ /ʃ/ /ʒ/ /ɕ/ /ʑ/ /xʲ/ /χ/. <f f~fi s s~si z z~zi ŧ đ sz rz ch~chi ch>
Rhotics: /r/ /rʲ/. <r r~ri>
Laterals: /l̪/ /lʲ/. <l l~li>
Consonants can form even five-element clusters and be geminated. The one that can't be geminated is /ŋ/. There is no POA assimilation, except that nonpalatal(ised) phonemes can't form one cluster with palatal(ised) ones. Only palatal(ised) and not having a palatal(ised) corresponding phonemes can appear before /i/, only other can appear before /ɘ/. Dental non-sibilants and uvulars correspond to palatoalveolars and prevelars, respectively.
Vowels:
i y u <i łi~uj u>
e ø ɘ ɤ o <e łe~ôj y ô łô>
ɛ œ ʌ ɔ <â łâ~oj o ło>
a ɶ ä ɒ̈ <ä łä~aj a ła>
All vowels can be either short or long <a ā> and bear mid (default), high or low tone <a a¹ a³>. Tones are distinctive even in not stressed syllables. There are no diphthongs and contour tones.

Stress is phonemic <·a> alongside with tone system, it can fall on the ultimate or penultimate syllable.

To explain. this phonology is based on my relaxed speech. Yes, it can exist. :-D

P.S. If someone comes up with something very great, can I use it?

EDIT: Text for writing down:
/‖ pʌˈθœ̀ːm i ɲ̟é ỳːˈðɘ̀ːm ‖ tʌ́ ˈbɤ̀ː ˈd͡ʑìːn̪ɛ ‖ ˈt̪ʰäm ˈbɤ̀ː ˈpθéːɕt͡ɕe d̪ʌ ˈrʲǿː d̪ɛ ðäˈnéːro ‖ ftʰɘm ˈmʲeɕt͡ɕe z̪n̪áːˈɒ̈̀ː ɕe ˈd̪uðʌ ˈɶ́ːnä ‖ ɔ́ ˈqurːɛ ‖ ˈχɘ̀ː ˈt̪͡s̪ʌɕ pʌkʲœ́ːˈɕỳːm ‖ n̪ʌ ˈmʌ̀ðɛ t͡ɕýt ˈén̪t̪͡s̪éː ɲ̟iθ ˈt̪rʌχɛ ‖/

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Paulácki
/pʌˈl̪ä́t͡skʲi/

Nasals:
/m/ /mʲ/ /n̪/ /ɲ̟/ /ŋ/
m mj n nj ng (except before "slender" vowels)
m' m n' n ng' (before "slender" vowels)

Stops:
/p/ /pʲ/ /b/ /bʲ/ /t̪/ /tʲ/ /t̪ʰ/ /d̪/ /dʲ/ /kʲ/ /gʲ/ /q/ /ɢ/
p pj b bj t tj th d dj kj gj k g (except before "slender" vowels)
p' p b' b t' t th d' d k g k' g' (before "slender" vowels)

Affricates:
/t̪͡s̪/ /t͡sʲ/ /d̪͡z̪/ /d͡zʲ/ /t̪͡θ/ /d̪͡ð/ /t͡ʃ/ /d͡ʒ/ /t͡ɕ/ /dʑ/
c cj dz dzj tþ dð č dž čj džj (except before "slender" vowels)
c' c dz' dz tþ dð č' dž' č dž (before "slender" vowels)

Fricatives:
/f/ /fʲ/ /s̪/ /sʲ/ /z̪/ /zʲ/ /θ/ /ð/ /ʃ/ /ʒ/ /ɕ/ /ʑ/ /xʲ/ /χ/
f fj s sj z zj þ ð š ž šj žj hj h (except before "slender" vowels)
f' f s' s z' z þ ð š' ž' š ž h h' (before "slender" vowels)

Rhotics and Laterals:
/r/ /rʲ/ /l̪/ /lʲ/
r rj l lj (except before "slender" vowels)
r' r l' l (before "slender" vowels)

Vowels:
Orthographic <e i u> are "slender", <a o w y> are "broad".

/i y u/
i u w
/e ø ɘ ɤ o/
e eu y oy o

/ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
ai oe au ou
/a ɶ ä ɒ̈/
ae ao a oa

Long vowel: <a y> are doubled; add either j (if vowel/second letter of digraph is one of <e i>), or w (if it is one of <o u w>). That is:-

/i: y: u:/ ij uw ww
/e: ø: ɘ: ɤ: o:/ ej euw yy oyy ow
/ɛ: œ: ʌ: ɔ:/ aij oej auw ouw
/a: ɶ: ä: ɒ̈:/ aej aow aa oaa

Tone: high tone is shown by an acute accent, and low tone by a grave accent, on the first vowel of a di/trigraph. Mid tone is unmarked.

Stress is not shown in the orthography.
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Certainly, if you think mine qualifies.

EDIT: Text for writing down:
/‖ pʌˈθœ̀ːm i ɲ̟é ỳːˈðɘ̀ːm ‖ tʌ́ ˈbɤ̀ː ˈd͡ʑìːn̪ɛ ‖ ˈt̪ʰäm ˈbɤ̀ː ˈpθéːɕt͡ɕe d̪ʌ ˈrʲǿː d̪ɛ ðäˈnéːro ‖ ftʰɘm ˈmʲeɕt͡ɕe z̪n̪áːˈɒ̈̀ː ɕe ˈd̪uðʌ ˈɶ́ːnä ‖ ɔ́ ˈqurːɛ ‖ ˈχɘ̀ː ˈt̪͡s̪ʌɕ pʌkʲœ́ːˈɕỳːm ‖ n̪ʌ ˈmʌ̀ðɛ t͡ɕýt ˈén̪t̪͡s̪éː ɲ̟iθ ˈt̪rʌχɛ ‖/[/quote]

pauþòejm i né ùw ðỳym
táu bòyy džìjnai
tham bòyy pþéjšče dau réuw dai dan'éjro
fthym mešče znáej òaa še dwðau áowna
óu kwrrai
hỳy caušj paukjóej šjùum
nau màuðai tšút énc'é niþ trauhai
[i]Linguistics will become a science when linguists begin standing on one another's shoulders instead of on one another's toes.[/i]
—Stephen R. Anderson

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I'm not sure if this counts as a necro, but have this Guarani-esque Mesoamerican-South African alternate history lostlanɡ of mine:

/p t tʃ k (ʔ)/
/ʋ~w~m ð~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/
/(ɓ) (ɗ)/
/f s ʃ x~h/
/l ʎ r j ʋ~w/
/(w’~m’) (n’) (j’~ɲ’) (l’)/

Syllables are limited to (C)(W)V(W) - I love CV langs, CV langs are cool, okay? - , where W is a glide or, in certain analyses, a ɡlottal stop. After nasal vowels, all three series of stops - plain, implosive and frankensteined voiced stops that you see beinɡ realised as anything other than voiced stops in the second row ofp the list above - neutralise to either a prenasalised voiced stop or a nasal, depending on whether they are followed by an oral or a nasal vowel, respectively. The voiced "stops" list nasals as allophones because they are always realised as nasals before nasal vowels, even word−initially and in the V_Ṽ environment, where all other stops contrast with them. Labial and palatal voiced "stops" contrast with the /j/ and /w/ semivowels only when adjacent to nasal vowels, where the former become prenasalised voiced stops or nasals and the latter become nasalised approximants. /x~h/ is always a nasalised /h/ when adjacent to a nasal vowel, but otherwise these two sounds are in free variation. /ʋ~w/ is always /w/ when in a consonant cluster on in coda position. All liquids and glides are allophonically nasalised when adjacent to nasal vowels. Glottal stop is allophonically inserted before null-onset vowels and between vowels in hiatus and is found nowhere else in its "pure" form, which makes it possible to not analyse it as a separate phoneme, but this would require one to consider the glottalised series to be separate phonemes instead, which leads to a cross-linguistically odd phonology. Therefore, most phonemic analyses consider the glottalized consonants to be underlyingly glottal stop-consonant clusters, which is diachronically supported and results in a much neater and more plausible phonemic inventory.

/a e o u i ɨ/
All vowels can be long, high-tone and nasalised - I love Navajo-style 4-way vowel contrasts, Navajo-style 4-way vowel contrasts are cool, okay? - and nasality spreads through glottals, liquids and approximants (but not through the voiced stops) in either direction.

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Proto-Pannonian

/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/l ʎ r j w/
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ + nasality
/ai̯ au̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ + nasality

/barru ənaːu̯lə̃raːi̯ŋk kaːllaːi̯n ɕəssəŋ askʷai̯ | au̯jũ farjaxũ waʒnũ wjəʒit | au̯jũki ũʒũ kʷaxtũ azbareːt | au̯jũki ʒumãrũ pʎawoːx pjərət | barru ɕəssuŋin rukaːwas /
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
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/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d ts c ty dy k g q gw>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ <f s z ṣ j ś h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ṅ>
/l ʎ r j w/ <l ly r y w>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ <a ä i u ā e o ī ū> + ṃ

/barru ənaːu̯lə̃raːi̯ŋk kaːllaːi̯n ɕəssəŋ askʷai̯ | au̯jũ farjaxũ waʒnũ wjəʒit | au̯jũki ũʒũ kʷaxtũ azbareːt | au̯jũki ʒumãrũ pʎawoːx pjərət | barru ɕəssuŋin rukaːwas /
Barru änāuläṃrāiṅk kāllāin śässäṅ asqai, auyuṃ faryahuṃ wajnuṃ wyäjit, auyuṃki uṃjuṃ qahtuṃ azbaret, auyuṃki jumaṃruṃ plyawoh pyärät, barru śässuṅin rukāwas.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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