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Thanks for the insights Vuvuzela, Qwynegold, Esmelthien and Nortaneous.

I've been busy recently, but Ill pitch in in the future.

Nort's thing:

/p t k q b d g ɢ ʔ/ <p t k q b d g q '>
/m ɱ n ŋ ɴ/ <m m n ng nq>
/ɾ ɽ/ <r rr>
/ɸ β f v s z x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/ <fh vh f v s z sh zh x rq xh h>
/ɬ/ <lh>
/ʋ ɹ j/ <v rh y>
/l/ <l>

/ɓ ɗ ɠ ʛ/ <bh dh gh qh>
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I'm bored, so here's another natlang. Zhuang:

/pʲ p t kʲ k kʷ/
/ɓ ɗ/
/β f θ ɕ ɣ h/
/mʲ m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/
/l j/
/a aː e o oː i ɯ u/
Tones: ˨˦ ˧˩ ˥ ˦˨ ˧˥ ˧

poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩, ɕin˧jen˧˩ ɕau˧˥ ken˧˩li˨˦ poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ piŋ˧˩taŋ˥. kʲoŋ˧˥ βun˧˩ mi˧˩ li˥θiŋ˨˦ ɕau˧˥ lieŋ˧˩θim˨˦, ɯŋ˨˦taːŋ˨˦ taːi˧ kʲoŋ˧˥ te˨˦ lum˥ pei˦˨nueŋ˦˨ itjieŋ˧.

/pʲ p t kʲ k kʷ/ <py p t ky k qu>
/ɓ ɗ/ <b d>
/β f θ ɕ ɣ h/ <v f x c g h>
/mʲ m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <my m n ny ng ngw>
/l j/ <l y>
/a aː e o oː i ɯ u/ <a(C)h a e o(C)h o i ü u>
Tones: ˨˦ ˧˩ ˥ ˦˨ ˧˥ ˧ <ā â á à ǎ a>

poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩, ɕin˧jen˧˩ ɕau˧˥ ken˧˩li˨˦ poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ piŋ˧˩taŋ˥. kʲoŋ˧˥ βun˧˩ mi˧˩ li˥θiŋ˨˦ ɕau˧˥ lieŋ˧˩θim˨˦, ɯŋ˨˦taːŋ˨˦ taːi˧ kʲoŋ˧˥ te˨˦ lum˥ pei˦˨nueŋ˦˨ i˨˦tjieŋ˧.
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Random thing I thought up:
Consonants:
/t̪’ t’ kʲ’ k’/
/p t̪ t kʲ k/
/b d̪ d/
/m n̪ n ŋ/
/ɺ r ʟ/
/w ɥ j/
Vowels:
/a ɐ i ɨ e ə ɛ o ɔ ɞ u/
/aə ̭ iə ̭ aj ɔw oj/
Accent:
There are three distinct accents, distinguished by phonation and pitch
/ˈ◌̬ ˈ◌ ꜛˈ◌/
Syllable structure is (C)(C)V(N)(C). A nasal must agree in point of articulation with consonants around it. Two plosives together must agree in voicing and glottalization

wɞkʲ’ baꜛˈʟojŋkɨ ɥukaə ̭iˈwaɺ. kaə ̭iˈwaɺ siəˈt̪ɐp ojnamˈitkɨ kaə ̭p’udɔw. Tɛꜛˈlɛ ojnamˈitkɨ ɥɨp’udɔw? Waˈja ̬, ʟaɺ?

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/t̪’ t’ kʲ’ k’/ <th’ t’ c’ k’>
/p t̪ t kʲ k/ <p th t c k>
/b d̪ d/ <b dh d>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m nh n ng>
/ɺ r ʟ/ <l r lg>
/w ɥ j/ <w wy y>
Vowels:
/a ɐ i ɨ e ə ɛ o ɔ ɞ u/ <a ă i ĭ e ə ĕ o ŏ ŭ u>
/aə ̭ iə ̭ aj ɔw oj/ <aə iə ay ow oy>
/ˈ◌̬ ˈ◌ ꜛˈ◌/ <ah a a!>


wɞkʲ’ baꜛˈʟojŋkɨ ɥukaə ̭iˈwaɺ. kaə ̭iˈwaɺ siəˈt̪ɐp ojnamˈitkɨ kaə ̭p’udɔw. Tɛꜛˈlɛ ojnamˈitkɨ ɥɨp’udɔw? Waˈja ̬, ʟaɺ?
Wŭc’ ba!lgóynkĭ wyukaəh iwál kaəh iwál siəthắp oynamítkĭ kaəh p’udow. Tĕ!lĕ́ oinamítkĭ wyĭp’udow? Wayáh, lgal?

or

/t̪’ t’ kʲ’ k’/ <ṱ’ t’ j’ k’>
/p t̪ t kʲ k/ <p ṱ t j k>
/b d̪ d/ <b ḓ d>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m ṋ n ng>
/ɺ r ʟ/ <l r ł>
/w ɥ j/ <w wy y>
Vowels:
/a ɐ i ɨ e ə ɛ o ɔ ɞ u/ <aa a ii i ee ə e oo o u uu>
/aə ̭ iə ̭ aj ɔw oj/ <aə iə ai ou oi>
/ˈ◌̬ ˈ◌ ꜛˈ◌/ <ạ a à>

wɞkʲ’ baꜛˈʟojŋkɨ ɥukaə ̭iˈwaɺ. kaə ̭iˈwaɺ siəˈt̪ɐp ojnamˈitkɨ kaə ̭p’udɔw. Tɛꜛˈlɛ ojnamˈitkɨ ɥɨp’udɔw? Waˈja ̬, ʟaɺ?
Wuj’ bàłoiŋki wyuukạə iwáal. Kạə iwáal siəṱap oinaamíitki kạə p’uudou. Tẹḽé oinaamíitki wyip’uudou? Waayạa, łaal?
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Zhuang done up vaguely Celtic:
Broad:
/p t k/<p t c>
/ɓ ɗ/<b d>
/f θ ɣ h/<f s g h>
/m n ŋ/<m n ng>
/l/<l>
/a aː ɯ/<a a u>
Slender:
/pʲ kʲ/<p c>
/ɕ/<z>
/mʲ ɲ/<m n>
/j/<l>
/e i/<e i>
Open:
/kʷ/<c>
/β/<f>
/ŋʷ/<n>
/o oː u/<o o u>
Tones: /˨˦ ˧˩ ˥ ˦˨ ˧˥ ˧/<á à ā a̧ â ạ>

Slender with slender, broad with broad, open with open, so between and open consonant and a non-open vowel, an orthographic "o" is inserted, and between a slender consonant and a non-slender vowel, an orthographic "e" is inserted, and between a broad consonant and a non-broad vowel, an orthographic "a" is inserted. When a consonant does not share a character with a consonant of any other group, this is left off. This will not create ambiguity, as these vowels will not bear tone marks.
Short vowels are represented by the doubling of the following consonant, or the addition of <dh> following them. For orthographic purposes, /ɯ/ is considered short and /u/ is considered long. Hiatuses are broken with an orthographic <gh>
poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩, ɕin˧jen˧˩ ɕau˧˥ ken˧˩li˨˦ poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ piŋ˧˩taŋ˥.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Thanks! :) This is what I thought up in the meanwhile...

m n ng
ph th ch kh
p t c k
mp nt nc nk
b d j g
f s x h
v z y w
ii iĩ iu uu uũ
ie iẽ ee eẽ uo uõ
ae aẽ eo ao aõ
aa aã
◌́ ◌̄ ◌ ◌̀

Suũmpāaphāã mpèẽmpaekhàehīẽmpaõmp ūuthìephae ntāãmpaẽ sūu ncāẽmpiechìẽph? Chúochìĩchāaphíĩ eẽmp thie ngiẽmpìeh? Xūukhūophūũth thāathāakhìĩiũmpáoth nūofíi mpaõnceoīuth siĩsfaatháa ntiifiuph? Phīethēef ntāa fūũnkiĩ siĩ muõntùufùũnkuuth.

m n nn
p t c k
b d j g
mp nt nc nk
mb nd nj ng
f s x h
v z y w
i į ʉ u ų
ê ę̂ ɵ ɵ̨ ô ǫ̂
e ę â o ǫ
a ą
◌́ ◌ ◌̉ ◌̀

Sų̉mpapą mpɵ̨̉mpẻkèhę̂mpǫ̉mp utềpẻ ntąmpę̉ su ncempểcę̂̀p? Cốcį̀capį ɵ̨̉mp tể nnę̂̉mpềh? Xukôpųt tatakį̀ʉ̨̉mpót nôfí mpǫ̉ncẩʉt sį̉sfảtá ntỉfʉ̉p? Pêtɵf nta fųnkį̉ sį̉ mǫ̉ntùfų̀nkủt.

Both of these look horrible.

m n ng
p t c k
b d j g
mp mt mc mk
mb md mj mg
f s x h
v z y w
i in ư u un
ê ên ơ ơn ô ôn
e en â o on
a an
Nasalization not marked if followed by nasalized consonant.
◌́ ◌ ◌̉ ◌̀

Sủmpapan mpởmpẻkèhêmpỏmp utềpẻ mtampẻn su mcempểcềnp? Cốcìncapin ởmp tể ngểmpềh? Xukôpunt tatakìnửmpót nôfí mpỏmcẩưt sỉnsfảtá mtỉfửp? Pêtơf mta fumkỉn sỉn mỏmtùfùmkủt.

Probably non-accented non-digraphs are the way to go to for the vowels.

Oh, and sorry about the lack of non-aspirated non-nasalized plosives in the sample sentence. I don't know how that happened. :? I made those consonants the most common in the generator.
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Zhuang
/pʲ p t kʲ k kʷ/
<p' p t k' k q>
/ɓ ɗ/
<b d>
/β f θ ɕ ɣ h/
<v f z x g h>
/mʲ m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/
<m' m n n' ng ƞ>
/l j/
<l y>
/a aː e o oː i ɯ u/
<a aa e o oo i eu u>
˨˦ ˧˩ ˥ ˦˨ ˧˥ ˧
á ǎ ā à â a
Tone marked on first letter in a digraph, on both letters in a diphthong.

poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩, ɕin˧jen˧˩ ɕau˧˥ ken˧˩li˨˦ poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ piŋ˧˩taŋ˥. kʲoŋ˧˥ βun˧˩ mi˧˩ li˥θiŋ˨˦ ɕau˧˥ lieŋ˧˩θim˨˦, ɯŋ˨˦taːŋ˨˦ taːi˧ kʲoŋ˧˥ te˨˦ lum˥ pei˦˨nueŋ˦˨ itjieŋ˧.
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Hmong Daw:

/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ ‹p b pl bl t d tr dr ct gt c gc cr gcr g›
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ ‹mp mb mpl mbl nt nd ntr ndr nct ngt nc ngc ncr ngcr›
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ ‹st sd tcr tgr›
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ ‹nst nsd ntcr ntgr›
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ ‹pt bd s sl sc sg kc gr kcr l›
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ ‹mc m mcl ml cn n cn gn›
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ ‹a e é o ó á u ú›
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ ‹eá uá óu eo uó›
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ ‹az a ar ai ay av ax›

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Hmong Daw

/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ ‹p b pl bl t d tr dr c j k g q gq ‘›
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ ‹mp mb mpl mbl nt nd ntr ndr nc nj nk ng nq ngq›
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ ‹ts dz tsh dzh>
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ ‹ns nz nsh nzh›
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ ‹f v s hl sh zh sj zj h l›
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ ‹hm m hml ml hn n hnj nj›
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ ‹a e en o on i y u›
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ ‹ai ay au ie ue›
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ <ó o ò ô ǒ ọ ö>

/tʰa̰u˩ tsɔ̤˧˩ pe˥ ca̤u˧˩ la̰ɨ˩ saɨ˧˦ ⁿdaɨ˩ tʰiə˥˧ tau n̥a˧˦ kʰau˥ ᶮcaɨ˩ tʂʰi̤ə˧˩/
Tạu dzö bé jäu lạy sǎy ndày tîe dau hnǎ káu njày tshïe.

Zhuang

/pʲ p t kʲ k kʷ/ <pj p t kj k kw>
/ɓ ɗ/ <b d>
/β f θ ɕ ɣ h/ <v f c s g h>
/mʲ m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <mj m n nj ng ngw>
/l j/ <l j>
/a aː e o oː i ɯ u/ <a aa e o oo i ui u>
Tones: ˨˦ ˧˩ ˥ ˦˨ ˧˥ ˧ < ạ́ ạ̀ â à á a>

/poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩/
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But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
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I did Saanich ages ago but I forget how so I'm doing it again

/p t k̟ k̟ʷ k̠ k̠ʷ ʔ/ <p t c co/oc k ko/ok ʔ>
/pʼ tʼ k̟ʷʼ k̠ʼ k̠ʷʼ/ <b d go/og q qo/oq>
/ts tʃ/ <ts ch>
/ts̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ/ <tz dz dl dj>
/s̪ s ɬ ʃ x̟ʷ x̠ x̠ʷ h/ <z s ł y ħo/oħ x xo/ox j>
/m n ŋ̠ l j w/ <m n ñ l i w>
(/mʼ nʼ ŋ̠ʼ lʼ jʼ wʼ/)
/a e ə i əw (u)/ <a ai e i u u>
Glottalized sonorants are written normally in word-final position; nonglottalized ones are doubled.

Sample text is in a different transcription system but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

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/pʲ p t kʲ k kʷ/ <pj p t t kj k qu>
/ɓ ɗ/ <b d>
/β f θ ɕ ɣ h/ <v f th s g h>
/mʲ m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <mj m n nj ng ngu>
/l j/ <l j>
/a aː e o oː i ɯ u/ <a ae e o oe i y u>
/e˨˦ e˧˩ e˥ e˦˨ e˧˥ e˧/ <é ê ē è ě e>

Pòeupòeu máe tâng lāebýn soeu mî sýjòeu, sinjên sǎu kênlí pòeupòeu pîngtāng. Kjǒng vûn mî līthíng sǎu lîengthím, ýngtáeng taei kjǒng té lūm pèinùeng itjieng.
poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ maː˨˦ taŋ˧˩ laː˥ɓɯn˨˦ ɕoːu˧ mi˧˩ ɕɯ˨˦joːu˧˩, ɕin˧jen˧˩ ɕau˧˥ ken˧˩li˨˦ poːu˦˨poːu˦˨ piŋ˧˩taŋ˥. kʲoŋ˧˥ βun˧˩ mi˧˩ li˥θiŋ˨˦ ɕau˧˥ lieŋ˧˩θim˨˦, ɯŋ˨˦taːŋ˨˦ taːi˧ kʲoŋ˧˥ te˨˦ lum˥ pei˦˨nueŋ˦˨ itjieŋ˧.


/t̪’ t’ kʲ’ k’/ <th' t' kj' k'>
/p t̪ t kʲ k/ <p th t kj k>
/b d̪ d/ <b dh d>
/m n̪ n ŋ/ <m nh n ŋ>
/ɺ r ʟ/ <l r g>
/w ɥ j/ <w y j>
Vowels:
/a ɐ i ɨ e ə ɛ o ɔ ɞ u/ <a à i ì e ö è o ò ù u>
/aə ̭ iə ̭ aj ɔw oj/ <aö iö aj òw oj>
/ˈo̬ ˈo ꜛˈo/ <oh ox ó>
/ˈɔ̬ ˈɔ ꜛˈɔ/ <òh òx ǒ>
/ˈə̬ ˈə ꜛˈə/ <öh öx ő>

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/p t k̟ k̟ʷ k̠ k̠ʷ ʔ/ <b d j jw g gw q>
/pʼ tʼ k̟ʷʼ k̠ʼ k̠ʷʼ/ <p t cw k kw>
/ts tʃ/ <ds dš>
/ts̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ/ <tþ ts tş tš>
/s̪ s ɬ ʃ x̟ʷ x̠ x̠ʷ h/ <þ s ş š xh x xw h>
/m n ŋ̠ l j w/ <m n ŋ l y w>
/mʼ nʼ ŋ̠ʼ lʼ jʼ wʼ/ <mh nh ŋh lh yh wh>
/a e ə i əw u/ <a e o i ow u>

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Kaingáng:

/p b t̪ t d c ɟ k g gʷ ʔ/
/t̪ː tː cː kː gː/
/ᵐp ᵐb n̪t̪ ⁿt ⁿd ᶮc ᶮɟ ᵑk ᵑg ᵑgʷ ʔ̃/
/bᵐ dⁿ ɟᶮ gᵑ/
/b˺ d˺ ɟ˺ ɡ˺ ᵐb˺ ⁿd˺ ᶮɟ˺ ᵑɡ˺/
/p͡ɸ c͡ç p͡ɸ̃ c͡ç̃/
/m n ɲ ŋ ŋw̃/
/f v ç h ɸ̃ β̃ ç̃ h̃/
/w ɹ j w̃ ɹ̃ j̃/
/ɾ ɾʲ ɾ̃ ɾ̃ɲ/

/i i,̥ ĩ u u̥ ũ/
/ɪ ɪ ̥ ʊ ʊ̥/
/e e̥ ɘ ɘ̥ ɤ ɤ̥ o o̥/
/ɛ ɛ̥ ɛ̃ ɜ, ɜ̥ ʌ ʌ̊ ʌ̃ ɔ ɔ̥ ɔ̃/
/ɐ ɐ̥ ɑ ɑ̥ /

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Kaingang

(I've missed a few conditions for various pronunciation rules but they appear here)

/p b t̪ t d c ɟ k g gʷ ʔ/ <p t t t c ng~y ng ‘>
/t̪ː tː cː kː gː/ <nt nt ñt nc>
/ᵐp ᵐb n̪t̪ ⁿt ⁿd ᶮc ᶮɟ ᵑk ᵑg ᵑgʷ ʔ̃/ <p m t t d t d c ng ng ‘>
/bᵐ dⁿ ɟᶮ gᵑ/ <m n ñ ng>
/b˺ d˺ ɟ˺ ɡ˺ ᵐb˺ ⁿd˺ ᶮɟ˺ ᵑɡ˺/ <m n ñ ng m n ñ ng>
/p͡ɸ c͡ç p͡ɸ̃ c͡ç̃/ <f s f s>
/m n ɲ ŋ ŋw̃/ <m n ñ~y ng>
/ɸ v ç h ɸ̃ β̃ ç̃ h̃/ <f w s h f w s h>
/w ɹ j w̃ ɹ̃ j̃/ <w r y w r y>
/ɾ ɾʲ ɾ̃ ɾ̃ɲ/ <r r r r>

<p t c ‘ m n ñ ng f s h w r y>

Syllable Initial:
• Before oral vowels (word initial) [p t k ʔ ᵐb ⁿd ᶮɟ ᵑg ɸ ç h w ɹ j]
• Between oral vowels [p t k ʔ b d ɟ g ɸ ç h w ɹ j]
• Before nasal vowels (word initial) [p t k ʔ̃ m n ɲ ŋ ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]
• Between nasal vowels [ᵐp ⁿt ᵑk ʔ̃ m n ɲ ŋ ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]
• Between an oral vowel and a nasal vowel [p t k ʔ̃ bᵐ dⁿ ɟᶮ gᵑ ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]
• Between a nasal vowel and an oral vowel [ᵐp ⁿt ᵑk ʔ̃ ᵐb ⁿd ᶮɟ ᵑg ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]
Syllable Final:
• After oral vowels (word final) [p t k ʔ bᵐ dⁿ ɟᶮ gᵑ ɸ ç h w ɹ j]
• “Between” oral vowels [p t k ʔ b˺ d˺ ɟ˺ ɡ˺ ɸ ç h w ɹ j]
• After nasal vowels (word final) [ᵐp ⁿt ᵑk ʔ̃ m n ɲ ŋ ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]
• “Between” nasal vowels [ᵐp ⁿt ᵑk ʔ̃ ᵐb˺ ⁿd˺ ᶮɟ˺ ᵑɡ˺ ɸ̃ ç̃ h̃ w̃ ɹ̃ j̃]

/i i,̥ ĩ u u̥ ũ/ <i i ĩ u u ũ>
/ɪ ɪ ̥ ʊ ʊ̥/ <i i u~ó u~ó>
/e e̥ ɘ ɘ̥ ɤ ɤ̥ o o̥/ <é é ï ï ó ó>
/ɛ ɛ̥ ɛ̃ ɜ, ɜ̥ ʌ ʌ̊ ʌ̃ ɔ ɔ̥ ɔ̃/ <e e e͂ á á ã á á ã o o õ>
/ɐ ɐ̥ ɑ ɑ̥ / <a a a a>

Basically you have <p t c ‘ m n ñ ng f s h w r y> which are pronounced differently depending on whether adjacent vowels are nasalised or not and whether any adjacent consonants are plosives or not, whether the consonant in question is the onset of a stressed or unstressed syllable and so on. Similarly <i ĩ u ũ é ï ó e e͂ á ã o õ a> which are pronounced differently depending on whether they are stressed or unstressed and whether adjacent consonants are voiced or not.

I had planned to make a system in which all of these sounds were were represented by a digraph at most but the pre/post-nasalisation and nasal vowels forced me to look for nasal harmony and that's where the above link appeared giving just <p t c ‘ m n ñ ng f s h w r y i ĩ u ũ é ï ó e e͂ á ã o õ a> instead of something with haceks, circumflexes, digraphs, etc.
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Not all of that is phonemic.

/p t k ʔ/ <p t k x>
/f s h/ <f s h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ g>
/r j w/ <r j w>
/i ĩ ɨ ɨ̃ u ũ/ <i ĩ y ỹ u ũ>
/e o/ <ei ou>
/ɛ ɛ̃ ə ɔ/ <e ẽ ə o>
/a ã/ <a ã>
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Hmong Daw, now with a text:

/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ ‹p b pl bl t d tr dr ct gt c gc cr gcr g›
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ ‹mp mb mpl mbl nt nd ntr ndr nct ngt nc ngc ncr ngcr›
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ ‹st sd tcr tgr›
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ ‹nst nsd ntcr ntgr›
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ ‹pt bd s sl sc sg kc gr kcr l›
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ ‹mc m mcl ml cn n cn gn›
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ ‹a e é o ó á u ú›
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ ‹eá uá óu eo uó›
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ ‹az a ar ai ay av aí›

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Pinyin for Saanich :D
/p t k̟ k̟ʷ k̠ k̠ʷ ʔ/ <p t q qu k ku ·>
/pʼ tʼ k̟ʷʼ k̠ʼ k̠ʷʼ/ <b d ju g gu>
/ts tʃ/ <c ch>
/ts̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ/ <z j dl zh>
/s̪ s ɬ ʃ x̟ʷ x̠ x̠ʷ h/ <s x lh sh shu r ru h>
/m n ŋ̠ l j w/ <m n ng l y/i w/u>
/mʼ nʼ ŋ̠ʼ lʼ jʼ wʼ/ <◌̀m ◌̀n ◌̀ng ◌̀l ◌̀y/ì ◌̀w/ù>
/a e ə i əw (u)/ <a e o i ou (ü)>
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/p t k̟ k̟ʷ k̠ k̠ʷ ʔ/ <п т к кв қ қв ı>
/pʼ tʼ k̟ʷʼ k̠ʼ k̠ʷʼ/ <пı тı кı квı қı қвı>
/ts tʃ/ <ц ч>
/ts̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ/ <цъı цı тлı чı>
/s̪ s ɬ ʃ x̟ʷ x̠ x̠ʷ h/ <съ с ӆ ш хьв х хв h>
/m n ŋ̠ l j w/ <м н ң л й в>
/mʼ nʼ ŋ̠ʼ lʼ jʼ wʼ/ <мı нı ңı лı йı вı>
/a e ə i əw u/ <а е э и у у>

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Echobeats wrote:I'm a little baffled at how many RomCs we've had with a language that has /ɬ/ and no /l/, where everyone has suggested <lh>, <hl> or <ł> instead of just <l>.
It's all about the cool symbols, man. 8) In other news, I agree with you.

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/ʁeʁʷakʷan kunɑɪ/:

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/
/m n/
/l j w/

/a i e o u/
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/

/ai/ sequences and such do occur.
Syllable structure is (C)V(C), and if anything tries to break that, [ə] is inserted between the two consonants.

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Oh I like this little fragment.

/ʁeʁʷakʷan kunɑɪ/:
<rervakwan kunay>

/p, b, t, d, tʷ, dʷ, k, g, kʷ, gʷ/ <p, b, t, d, tw, dv, k, g, kw, gv>
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ <c, cw, q, qw>
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ <f, s, sw, x, xw, h, r, hw, rv>
/m n/ <m, n>
/l j w/ <l, y, v>

/a i e o u/ <a, i, e, o, u>
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <ay, ey, oy>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <av, ev, ov>

/egʷilajit͡ʃʷ udʷim kekʷeniʁnut ʁaʁaxʷikʷan onis χɛʊχɛʊdʷaʁɛɪ onis. xʷojau ʁaɪ fut͡sʷanut labalutɛɪ. egʷikʷikʷe undagʷ ʁat ʁo./
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2+3 clusivity wrote:Oh I like this little fragment.
Thanks, it's my translation of article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
2+3 clusivity wrote:/l j w/ <l, y, v>

/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <ay, ey, oy>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <av, ev, ov>
But how will you differentiate between [ɑʊk] and [awək], for example?
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Esmelthien wrote:/a i e o u/
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/

/ai/ sequences and such do occur.
Syllable structure is (C)V(C), and if anything tries to break that, [ə] is inserted between the two consonants.
Esmelthien wrote:But how will you differentiate between [ɑʊk] and [awək], for example?

Yeah. I am a bit confused. /ə/ is not included in your phoneme inventory, and you do say /ə/ occurs as a epenthetic vowel. Are you suggesting that /ɑʊk/ = [ɑʊk], [awək]?

Assuming this is not an allophone pair [ɑʊk] would appear as <avk> and [awək] would appear as <avak>. My reasoning is that as an unrounded mid vowel /ə/ would be most similar to /a/. You may wish to redefine or clarify what the role of /ə/ is in your language.

If /awək/ only occurs from a loan word with an original /-awk-/ then I would think that the word's etymology would clarify some spelling abiguity if you were stuck with <avk> for both /ɑʊk/ and /awək/ assuming you chose not to mark /ə/.

Anyway, TLDR clarify /ə/'s use.
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/ʁeʁʷakʷan kunɑɪ/:

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d to do k g ko go>
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ <c co j jo>
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ <f s so x xo h r ho ro>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l y w>

/a i e o u/ <a i e o u>
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <ai ei oi>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <au eu ou>

Schwa isn't written. Diaeresis is used to distinguish e.g. /ai ɑɪ/ <aï ai>, as well as /tɔʊ tʷu tou/ <töu tou töü>, and word-final /o/ is always written <ö>.

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Or, almost as Spanish:

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d tu du c/qu g cu gu>
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ <z zu ch chu>
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ <f s su x xu j r ju ru>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l i/ll hu>

/a i e o u/ <a i e o u>
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <ay ey oy>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <ao eo ou>

Standard diacritics / u-placement rules apply.

/egʷilajit͡ʃʷ udʷim kekʷeniʁnut ʁaʁaxʷikʷan onis χɛʊχɛʊdʷaʁɛɪ onis. xʷojau ʁaɪ fut͡sʷanut labalutɛɪ. egʷikʷikʷe undagʷ ʁat ʁo./
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Or, to completely disambiguate everything with just the 26 letters on the standard keyboard:

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d tw dw k g kw gw>
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ <ts tsw ch chw>
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ <f s sw x xw h r hw rw>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l j v>

/a i e o u/ <a i e o u>
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <ay ey oy>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <aw ew ow>

/ai/ sequences and such do occur.
Syllable structure is (C)V(C), and if anything tries to break that, [ə] is inserted between the two consonants.

/egʷilajit͡ʃʷ udʷim kekʷeniʁnut ʁaʁaxʷikʷan onis χɛʊχɛʊdʷaʁɛɪ onis. xʷojau ʁaɪ fut͡sʷanut labalutɛɪ. egʷikʷikʷe undagʷ ʁat ʁo./
Egwilajichw udwim kekwenirnut raraxwikwan onis hewhewdwarey onis. Xwojau ray futswanut labalutey. Egwikwikwe undagw rat ro.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Rerwakan Kunai

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/ p b t d tv dv k g kv gv
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ z zv c cv
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ f s sv h hv x r xv rv
/m n/ m n
/l j w/ l y w

/a i e o u/ a i e o u
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ ai ei oi
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ au eu ou

Shwa isn't written, diphthongs are separated with an apostrophe or trema.

/egʷilajit͡ʃʷ udʷim kekʷeniʁnut ʁaʁaxʷikʷan onis χɛʊχɛʊdʷaʁɛɪ onis. xʷojau ʁaɪ fut͡sʷanut labalutɛɪ. egʷikʷikʷe undagʷ ʁat ʁo./

Egvilaycv udvim kekvenirnut rarahvikvan onis xeuxeudvarei onis. Hvoyau rai fuzvanut labalutei, Egvikvikve undagv rat ro.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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2+3 clusivity wrote:Anyway, TLDR clarify /ə/'s use.
Well, I' not exactly sure whether [ə] is allophonic or phonemic. For example, there's /ɑʊk/ and /awk/, which are realized as [ɑʊk] and [awək].

Rerwakwan kunaì:

/p b t d tʷ dʷ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d tw dw k g kw gw>
/t͡s t͡sʷ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʷ/ <z zw c cw>
/f s sʷ x xʷ χ ʁ χʷ ʁʷ/ <f s sw h hw j r jw rw>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l y w/ẅ*>
* /w/ is written <ẅ> after <t d k g z c s h j r>

/a i e o u/ <a i e o u>
/ɑɪ ɛɪ ɔɪ/ <aì eì oì>
/ɑʊ ɛʊ ɔʊ/ <aù eù où>
Schwa is unwritten

Egwilayicw udwim kekwenirnut rarahwikwan onis jeùjeùdwareì onis. Hwoyau raì fuzwanut labaluteì. Egwikwikwe undagw rat ro.
/egʷilajit͡ʃʷ udʷim kekʷeniʁnut ʁaʁaxʷikʷan onis χɛʊχɛʊdʷaʁɛɪ onis. xʷojau ʁaɪ fut͡sʷanut labalutɛɪ. egʷikʷikʷe undagʷ ʁat ʁo./
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