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/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p [ɸ] b [β] t d ʈ͜͡ʂ ɖ͜͡ʐ k g/ <p f b v t d tj dj k g>
/f v θ ð ʂ ʐ x ʀ [j] h/ <f v s z sj zj ch gh j h>
/ɫ r w/ <l r w>
*/i ɪ ʏ ɛ e a u ɔ ɑ ʉ y/ <i ih uh eh ee a oe oh ah ou u>
**/i ɪ ʏ ɛ e a u ɔ ɑ ʉ y/ <ie i u e ee aa oe o a ou uu>
*/jɪ jɛ ja jæ ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <jih jeh ja jae joe jou joh jah>
**/jɪ jɛ ja jæ ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <ji je jaa jae joe jou jo ja>
*/wu wʉ wɛ we wa wæ wɔ wɑ/ <woe wou weh wee wa wae woh wah>
**/wu wʉ wɛ we wa wæ wɔ wɑ/ <woe wou we wee waa wae wo wa>
/aɪ ɛɪ eɪ ɔɪ uɪ/ <ai ij eej oi oei>
/jaɪ jɛɪ/ <jai jij>
/waɪ wɛɪ/ <wai wij>
[ə̆] <e>
*in open syllables
**in closed syllables
Vowel digraphs are separated using a trema when necessary.

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/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/p b t d ʈ͜͡ʂ ɖ͜͡ʐ k g/ <p b t d c j k g>
/f v θ ð ʂ ʐ x ʀ h/ <f v þ ð s z x q h>
/ɫ r w/ <l r w>
/i ɪ ʏ ɛ e a u ɔ ɑ ʉ y/ <í i ü e é á ú o a u ű>
/jɪ jɛ ja jæ ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <yi ye yá yä yú yu yo ya>
/wu wʉ wɛ we wa wæ wɔ wɑ/ <wú wu we wé wá wä wo wa>
/aɪ ɛɪ eɪ ɔɪ uɪ/ <ái ei éi oi úi>
/jaɪ jɛɪ/ <yái yei>
/waɪ wɛɪ/ <wái wei>
[ə̆] <ë>

t̪a.d̪r̩ va ɛŋ st̪u.bɑx gɔ.kʉm ke.əɫ t̪u.xəf ɔ.ɫəkʰ. ʐɑ.gɫɪθ: a:.wɪ, ɪr ɪʂ vɔ.d̪ɔ.gwɑn va xra.feɪ st̪uɸ ɫɪŋ.ŋu gɔx ʂ:ɫɔm ɑ.gən.
Tádr vá eŋ stúbax gokum kéël túxëf olëk. Zagliþ áwi, ir is vodogwan vá xráféi stup liŋŋú gox slom agën.



/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p [ɸ] b [β] t d ʈ͜͡ʂ ɖ͜͡ʐ k g/ <p ph b v t d ch j k g>
/f v θ ð ʂ ʐ x ʀ [j] h/ <f v th dh sh zh kh rh y h>
/ɫ r w/ <l r w>
/i ɪ ʏ ɛ e a u ɔ ɑ ʉ y/ <ee i ö e ae aa oo a u ü>
/jɪ jɛ ja jæ ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <yi ye yaa yah yoo yu yo ya>
/wu wʉ wɛ we wa wæ wɔ wɑ/ <woo wu we waa wah wo wa>
/aɪ ɛɪ eɪ ɔɪ uɪ/ <y ei ay oi ooy>
/jaɪ jɛɪ/ <yai yei>
/waɪ wɛɪ/ <wy wei>
[ə̆] <e/a>

t̪a.d̪r̩ va ɛŋ st̪u.bɑx gɔ.kʉm ke.əɫ t̪u.xəf ɔ.ɫəkʰ. ʐɑ.gɫɪθ: a:.wɪ, ɪr ɪʂ vɔ.d̪ɔ.gwɑn va xra.feɪ ʂt̪uɸ ɫɪŋ.ŋu gɔx ʂ:ɫɔm ɑ.gən.
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/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d ʈ͜͡ʂ ɖ͜͡ʐ k g/ <p b t d tch dj c g>
/f v θ ð [s z] ʂ ʐ x ʀ h/ <f v th dh s z çh j ch ŗ h>
/ɫ r w/ <l r w>
/i ɪ ʏ ɛ e a u ɔ ɑ ʉ y/ <i î û ê e a ou o â oû u>
/jɪ jɛ ja ju jʉ jɔ jɑ/ <iî ie ia iou ioû io iâ>
/wu wʉ wɛ we wa wɔ wɑ/ <ôu ôû ouê oue oua ouo ouâ>
/aɪ ɛɪ eɪ ɔɪ uɪ/ <ai êi ei oi oui>
/jaɪ jɛɪ/ <iai iei>
/waɪ wɛɪ/ <ouai ouei>
[ə̆ r̩] <e re>
<i> is <y> in the final syllable of polysyllabic words

t̪a.d̪r̩ va ɛŋ st̪u.bɑx gɔ.kʉm ke.əɫ t̪u.xəf ɔ.ɫəkʰ. ʐɑ.gɫɪθ: a:.wɪ, ɪr ɪʂ vɔ.d̪ɔ.gwɑn va xra.feɪ st̪uɸ ɫɪŋ.ŋu gɔx ʂ:ɫɔm ɑ.gən.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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2-4 wrote:/mʲ mˠ nʲ nˠ ŋ ŋʷ/
/pʲ pˠ tʲ tˠ k kʷ/
/rʲ rˠ/

Jekati qi rede yaja pegi ki beta caje de mi.
/mʲəkatˠɨ ŋʷɨ rʲətʲə nʲamʲa pˠəkʲɨ kɨ pʲətˠa kʷamʲə tʲə mˠi/
A non-fancy attempt:
<ḿ m ń n ŋ w>
<p b t d k g>
<ŕ r>

Ḿekadi wi ŕete ńaḿa beki ki peda gaḿe te mi.

Wait, do you distinguish all of /k kʲ kʷ/? What is the whole phoneme inventory?
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I'll take another shot at this I guess

/mʲ mˠ nʲ nˠ ŋ(ˠ) ŋʷ/ <m m n n g g>
/pʲ pˠ tʲ tˠ k(ˠ) kʷ/ <p b j t k k>
/rʲ rˠ/ <r d>
/ʲa ʲə ʲɨ ˠa ˠə ˠɨ ʷa ʷə ʷɨ/ <ā e i a ē y ō o u>, macrons dropped where secondary articulation is marked on the consonant, ō -> a

Mekaty gu reje nāmā bechi ky peta kōme je my.
/mʲəkatˠɨ ŋʷɨ rʲətʲə nʲamʲa pˠəkʲɨ kɨ pʲətˠa kʷamʲə tʲə mˠi/

That said, I like my first attempt better: Mekaty gu reje ñam̃a boki ky peta qame je mu.
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I'm redoing Hmong Daw:
/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ <p b pl bl t d tr dr c j k g q x '>
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ <mp mb mpl mbl nt nd ntr ndr nc nj nk ng nq nx>
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ <ts dz tx dx>
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ <nts ndz ntx ndx>
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ <f v s lh sh zh ch jh h l>
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ <hm m hml ml hn n hnh nh>
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ <a e en o on i y u>
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ <ai ay au ie ue>
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ <ó o ò ô ǒ ỏ õ>

/tʰa̰u˩ tsɔ̤˧˩ pe˥ ca̤u˧˩ la̰ɨ˩ saɨ˧˦ ⁿdaɨ˩ tʰiə˥˧ tau n̥a˧˦ kʰau˥ ᶮcaɨ˩ tʂʰi̤ə˧˩. ʝa̰˩ ʐɔ̃ tʂʰa˥˧ pˡaɨ˩ ma˩, ne˥˧ ʝuə˧˦ tʂṵ˩ mu˩ ᶯʈʰiə˧˦ nṳ˧˩ çuə˩ sai˥ lṳə˧˩ muə˥˧ ke˧˦ pa˧˩ hɔ̰˩ ⁿda˧˩ tʂi ɲo˧˩ ᶮɟi̤˧˩ i˧˩ cʰẽ˥ tʂa̰˩ ⁿda̰ɨ˩ ne˥˧./
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sure why not

I'm redoing Hmong Daw:
/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ <p b pl bl t d tr dr c j k g q gq '>
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ <mp mb mpl mbl nt nd nx nr nc nj nk ng nq ngq>
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ <tz z x r>
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ <ntz nz nx nr>
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ <f v s hl sh zh hy y h l>
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ <hm m hml ml hn n hny ny>>
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ <a e en o on i eu u>
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ <ai ae au ie ue>
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ <ó o ò ô ǒ ot oh>

/tʰa̰u˩ tsɔ̤˧˩ pe˥ ca̤u˧˩ la̰ɨ˩ saɨ˧˦ ⁿdaɨ˩ tʰiə˥˧ tau n̥a˧˦ kʰau˥ ᶮcaɨ˩ tʂʰi̤ə˧˩. ʝa̰˩ ʐɔ̃ tʂʰa˥˧ pˡaɨ˩ ma˩, ne˥˧ ʝuə˧˦ tʂṵ˩ mu˩ ᶯʈʰiə˧˦ nṳ˧˩ çuə˩ sai˥ lṳə˧˩ muə˥˧ ke˧˦ pa˧˩ hɔ̰˩ ⁿda˧˩ tʂi ɲo˧˩ ᶮɟi̤˧˩ i˧˩ cʰẽ˥ tʂa̰˩ ⁿda̰ɨ˩ ne˥˧./
Taut zoh bé jauh laet sǎe ndàe tîe dau hnǎ káu njàe xieh. Yat zhon xâ blàe mà, nê yǔe ruh mù ntrǐe nuh chùe sái lueh mûe gě bâ hot ndâ ri nyô njih î cén rat ndaet nê.

Or a less serious one:
/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ <p b pl bl t d th dh ch di/de/j c g q gq>
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ above + grave accent on vowel
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ <ts z ch r>
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ above + grave accent on vowel
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ <f v s hl sh si/se hi/he fhi/fhe h l>
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ <mh m fl ml sn n sni/sne ni/ne>>
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ <a e en o on i eu u>
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ <ai agh au igh ugh>
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ <oc o od om op ot os>

/tʰa̰u˩ tsɔ̤˧˩ pe˥ ca̤u˧˩ la̰ɨ˩ saɨ˧˦ ⁿdaɨ˩ tʰiə˥˧ tau n̥a˧˦ kʰau˥ ᶮcaɨ˩ tʂʰi̤ə˧˩. ʝa̰˩ ʐɔ̃ tʂʰa˥˧ pˡaɨ˩ ma˩, ne˥˧ ʝuə˧˦ tʂṵ˩ mu˩ ᶯʈʰiə˧˦ nṳ˧˩ çuə˩ sai˥ lṳə˧˩ muə˥˧ ke˧˦ pa˧˩ hɔ̰˩ ⁿda˧˩ tʂi ɲo˧˩ ᶮɟi̤˧˩ i˧˩ cʰẽ˥ tʂa̰˩ ⁿda̰ɨ˩ ne˥˧./
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Also, crossposted from that other thread

/p t k q b d g ɢ ʔ/ <p t k q b d g ģ '>
/m ɱ n ŋ ɴ/ <m m n ng ņ>
/ɾ ɽ/ <r rr>
/ɸ β f v s z x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/ <ph bh f v s z kh gh x ģh hh h>
/ɬ/ <ł>
/ʋ ɹ j/ <v ŗ>
/l/ <l>

/ɓ ɗ ɠ ʛ/ <ƀ đ ǥ ꝗ>

/i y ɪ ʏ e ø ɛ œ a ɶ ɨ ə ɯ u ʊ ɤ o ʌ ɔ/ <ii üü i ü ee öö e ö a å ÿ ë yy uu u y oo ëë o>
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/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/ <p b pl bl t d tr dr c j k g q gq '>
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/ <mp mb mpl mbl nt nd nx nr nc nj nk ng nq ngq>
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/ <tz z x r>
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/ <ntz nz nx nr>
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h l/ <f v s hl sh zh hy y h l>
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/ <hm m hml ml hn n hny ny>>
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/ <a e en o on i eu u>
/ai aɨ au iə uə/ <ai ae au ie ue>
/ɔ́ ɔ ɔ̀ ɔ̂ ɔ̌ ɔ̰̀ ɔ̤̂/ <ó o ò ô ǒ ot oh>
Wow talk about overkill. Just about every single possible verb and consonant out there apart from ejectives!
And no [r]'s apart from retroflexes? This just gets curiouser. Are you aiming for a viet-lang?
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That's a real language.

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Natlangs do things conlangs could never get away with all the time.
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abaddamn wrote:every single possible verb
Wait what?
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probably meant "vowel"

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Aid'os - yes, Clawgrip is right. My bad.

Natlangs do things conlangs can't get away with? Any good examples?
Talāṃ leya kalakena rāmah, saktalām peha leya bhūmena ca.
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Like that language right there. If I had said "hey what do you think of my new language's phonology?" and posted Hmong Daw's phoneme inventory people probably would have told me it has too many consonants and vowels and I should get rid of some.

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Ah right. Didn't know Hmong Daw language was actually a natlang. Thought it was a chinese/viet conlang, LOL.
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I've been struggling with this one . . . any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Its phonotactics are (C)(y/v)(V)(L/L̃/N) leaning towards open syllables. Vowel system is an unremarkable 5 vowel set. No contrastive stress, tone, etc.
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clawgrip wrote:probably meant "vowel"
much more probably meant "consonant"

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2+3 clusivity wrote:I've been struggling with this one . . . any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Its phonotactics are (C)(y/v)(V)(L/L̃/N) leaning towards open syllables. Vowel system is an unremarkable 5 vowel set. No contrastive stress, tone, etc.
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Anything in <> is orthographic; anything in // is phonemic and orthographic unless otherwise specified; anything in [] is of course allophonic.
Okay, here's my attempt:
/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n rn nn>
/(The whole nasal approximant row)/ <v nr y>
/p t ʈ c k/<p t rt c k>
/ ̃l ̃ɭ/<l rl>
/ʋ ɻ j/<b r j>
/l / <l rl>
/r ɽ/<d rd>
/s/ <s>
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>

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Serafín wrote:
clawgrip wrote:probably meant "vowel"
much more probably meant "consonant"
You think he meant to say, "Wow talk about overkill. Just about every single possible consonant and consonant out there apart from ejectives!"?

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Of course.

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Something I came up with this morning:
m n ŋ
pʰ tʰ t͡ʃʰ kʰ
p t t͡ʃ k
ᵐp̬ ⁿt̬ ⁿd͡ʃ ᵑk̬
ᵐb ⁿd ⁿd͡ʒ ᵑɡ
f s ʃ x
v~ʋ z~z̞ ʒ~j ɣ~ɰ

i ĩ ɯ u ũ
e ẽ ɤ ɤ̃ o õ
ɛ ɛ̃ ʌ ɔ ɔ̃
a ã

◌̋ ◌́ ◌̄ ◌̀

Nasals (the first row) may only appear word-initially. The fourth row of consonants are prenasalized partially voiced plosives. I'm not sure exactly what z̞ is or if it's possible, but it's like an alveolar approximant that isn't ɹ. :3 Vowels are always nasalized before prenasalized consonants. The tones could also be described as ◌́ ◌̄ ◌̀ ◌̏ or ◌̋ ◌́ ◌̀ ◌̏, i.e. there are four level tones equally spaced apart from each other. Fricatives may not follow plosives, and two plosives with different voicing/features may not follow each other.

Sample text:
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2+3 Clusivity's conlang:
/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n ṇ nj>
/ʋ̃ ɻ̃ j̃/ <w z j>
/l̃ ɭ̃/ <l ḷ>
/p t ʈ c k/ <p t ṭ c k>
/ʋ ɻ j/ <v r y>
/l ɺ̢/ <ŀ ŀ̣>
/r ɽ/ <d ḍ>
/s/ <s>

Do j̃ and ɲ really contrast? What about nj? Or ɲj?
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2+3's lang:
/p t ʈ c k/ p t rt c k
/ʋ ɻ j/ <v r y>
/l ɭ/ <l rl>
/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n rn j>
/ʋ̃ ɻ̃ j̃/ <nv nr ny>
/l̃ ɭ̃/ <nl nrl>
/r ɽ/ <d rd>
/s/ <s>
*/ɻ/ is written <ŕ> before /t l n d/
*/n/ is written <ń> before /ʋ ɻ j l ɭ/

/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>


Qwynegold's thing:
/m n ŋ/ <m n nh>
/pʰ tʰ t͡ʃʰ kʰ/ <p t c k>
/p t t͡ʃ k/ <b d j g>
/ⁿp̬ ⁿt̬ ⁿd͡ʃ ⁿk̬/ <mp nt nc nk>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿd͡ʒ ⁿɡ/ <mb nd nj ng>
/f s ʃ x/ <f s x kh>
/v z ʒ ɣ/ <w r z gh>

/i ĩ ɯ u ũ/ <i in eu u un>
/e ẽ ɤ ɤ̃ o õ/ <e en y yn o on>
/ɛ ɛ̃ ʌ ɔ ɔ̃/ <ę ęn eo ą ąn>
/a ã/ <a an>

/e̋ é e è/ <ê é e è>

Sumpápán mpýmpękę̀khémpą̀mp útèpę ntámpę̀n sú ncę́mpecénp?
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Something Qwynegold came up with this morning:
/m n ŋ/<m n ŋ>
pʰ tʰ t͡ʃʰ kʰ<p t q k>
/ p t t͡ʃ k /<b d c g>
/ᵐp̬ ⁿt̬ ⁿd͡ʃ ᵑk̬/ <mp nt nq ŋk>
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿd͡ʒ ᵑɡ/ <mb nd nc ŋg>
/ f s ʃ x/ <f s x h>
/v~ʋ z~z̞ ʒ~j ɣ~ɰ/ <v z j w>

/i ĩ ɯ u ũ/<i in eu u un>
/e ẽ ɤ ɤ̃ o õ/<e en eo eon ou oun>
/ɛ ɛ̃ ʌ ɔ ɔ̃/<ae aen ea o on>
/a ã/<a an>

/◌̋ ◌́ ◌̄ ◌̀/<ˆ ´ ¨ `>
In a digraph or trigraph, the tone mark is only present on the first character. The trema is only used when not using it would cause a series of vowels to be read as a digraph. Otherwise, a vowel in the third tone is left bare.
Digraphs ending with n change the n to m when followed by a nonlabial consonant. When followed by a prenasalized consonant, these letters are deleted.

sũ̄ᵐp̬ápʰã́ ᵐp̬ɤ̃̀ᵐp̬ɛ̄kʰɛ̀xé̃ᵐp̬ɔ̄̃ᵐp̬ útʰèpʰɛ̄ ⁿt̬ã́ᵐp̬ɛ̃̄ sú ⁿd͡ʃɛ́̃ᵐp̬ēt͡ʃʰẽ̀pʰ? t͡ʃʰőt͡ʃʰĩ̀t͡ʃʰápʰĩ́ ɤ̄̃ᵐp̬ tʰē ŋẽ̄ᵐp̬èx? ʃúkʰópʰṹtʰ tʰátʰákʰĩ̀ɯ̄̃ᵐp̬ɔ̋tʰ nófi̋ ᵐp̬ɔ̄̃ⁿd͡ʃʌ̄ɯ́tʰ sĩ̄sfātʰa̋ ⁿt̬īfɯ̄pʰ? pʰétʰɤ́f ⁿt̬á fṹᵑk̬ĩ̄ sĩ̄ mȭⁿt̬ùfù̃ᵑk̬ūtʰ.
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2+3:

/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n ṇ ny>
/ṽ ɻ̃ j̃ l̃ ɭ̃/ <vn rn yn ln ḷn>
/p t ʈ c k/ <p t ṭ c k>
/ʋ b: ɻ j ɟ:/ <v bb ṛ y jj>
/l ɭ/ <l ḷ>
/r ɽ s/ <r d s>

Disambiguate any ambiguous clusters somehow. Use your imagination.

Qwynegold:
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/pʰ tʰ t͡ʃʰ kʰ/ <p t c k>
/p t t͡ʃ k/ <b d j g>
/ᵐp̬ ⁿt̬ ⁿd͡ʃ ᵑk̬/ <mp nt nc nk>
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿd͡ʒ ᵑɡ/ <mb nd nj ng>
/f s ʃ x/ <f s x h>
/v~ʋ z~z̞ ʒ~j ɣ~ɰ/ <v z y ÿ>
◌̋ ◌́ ◌̄ ◌̀ <ũ u ū ù>
i ĩ ɯ u ũ <i iŋ ɯ u uŋ>
e ẽ ɤ ɤ̃ o õ <e eŋ ə əŋ o oŋ>
ɛ ɛ̃ ʌ ɔ ɔ̃ <ε εŋ ɜ ɔ ɔŋ>
a ã <a aŋ>

sũ̄ᵐp̬ápʰã́ ᵐp̬ɤ̃̀ᵐp̬ɛ̄kʰɛ̀xé̃ᵐp̬ɔ̄̃ᵐp̬ útʰèpʰɛ̄ ⁿt̬ã́ᵐp̬ɛ̃̄ sú ⁿd͡ʃɛ́̃ᵐp̬ēt͡ʃʰẽ̀pʰ? t͡ʃʰőt͡ʃʰĩ̀t͡ʃʰápʰĩ́ ɤ̄̃ᵐp̬ tʰē ŋẽ̄ᵐp̬èx? ʃúkʰópʰṹtʰ tʰátʰákʰĩ̀ɯ̄̃ᵐp̬ɔ̋tʰ nófi̋ ᵐp̬ɔ̄̃ⁿd͡ʃʌ̄ɯ́tʰ sĩ̄sfātʰa̋ ⁿt̬īfɯ̄pʰ? pʰétʰɤ́f ⁿt̬á fṹᵑk̬ĩ̄ sĩ̄ mȭⁿt̬ùfù̃ᵑk̬ūtʰ.
Sūmpapaŋ mpə̀mpε̄kὲhēmpōmp utèpε̄ ntampε̄ su ncεmpēcèŋp? Cõcìŋcapiŋ ə̄mp tē ŋēmpèh? Xukopuŋt tatakiŋɯ̄mpõt nofĩ mpɔ̄ncɜ̄ɯt sīŋsfātã ntīfɯ̄p? Petəf nta funkī sīŋ mōntùfùnkūt.

Or it might be a better idea to drop the contrast between <mp nt> and <m n> word-internally
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