Romanization challenge thread

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or a shitty register-letter orthography:

/p pʰ b t tʰ d ʧ ʧʰ ʤ k kʰ ʔ/ <p ph b t th d c ch j k kh '>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/r/ <r>
/f s h/ <f s h>
/w l j/ <w l y>

/i ɨ u ɛ ʌ o ɔ a ɒ/ <i ui u e v ou o a x>
/iː ɨː uː eː ɛː əː ʌː oː ɔː aː ɒː/ <ii uui uu ee aee eu vv oou oo aa xx>
/i̤ ɨ̤ ṳ ɛ̤ ʌ̤ o̤ a̤ ɒ̤/ <iq uiq uq eq vq ouq oq aq xq>
/i̤ː ɨ̤ː ṳː e̤ː ɛ̤ː ə̤ː ʌ̤ː o̤ː ɔ̤ː a̤ː ɒ̤ː/ <iiq uuiq uuq eeq aeeq euq vvq oouq ooq aaq xxq>
/ia i̤a̤ ua ṳa̤/ <ia iaq ua uaq>

/kʌːt ɲʨɒːʔ mṳːj na̤ːw buaj ʨaː ʔakaː kuː paː li̤a̤ʨ-sɛː || mṳːj taŋaj na̤ːw bɨːn ʨaː ʔakaː pɨ̤ːt pɨ̤ːt || na̤ːw bɨːn hɒːʔ ŋhaːŋ ʔakaː || ka̤j puʔ diŋ ʨiŋ wṳa̤ naʔ ni̤a̤ || ʨiŋ ʨaː nɒː tʌ̤ːn kɔː puʔ bɨːn pʰrɔː ŋhaːŋ ʔakaː ki̤a̤m kuː lɨ̤ŋ plɒ̤ŋ kɒːʔ || mṳːj taŋaj na̤ːw siː pə̤ːʔ ʨɛːm hɒːtdiaw buaj ʨaː klɒː kuː || na̤ːw ʨiŋ ʨiː buaj ʨɛːm hɒːtdiaw ʔɒːn ʔɛː ŋhaːŋ ʔakaː lɒ̤h luː plɒ̤ŋ kɒːʔ na̤ːw || naː̤w waː̤w paːj na̤ːw ʨiŋ ʨaːŋ || ʨɛːm hɒːtdiaw siː pə̤ːʔ naʔ ka̤j kɔː ʥɔʔʥial || na̤ːw ʨiŋ ʔɛː kabaːh ɲa̤t səː plɒ̤ŋ kɒːʔ kʰɒŋ ɲʨɒːʔ ka̤j || nɛ̤ː na̤ːw ʨiŋ ŋkɛːm ʔɛː ŋhaːŋ ʔakaː lɒ̤h luː plɒ̤ŋ kɒːʔ ɲʨɒːʔ ||/

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Here's my own current romanization of Orja, which I'm not entirely happy with:
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/m n/ m n
/p t k q/ p t k q
/f s x χ/ f s h ḥ/x
/v d g ɢ/ v d g ġ/gh
/l r/ l r
/j ɥ w/ j y w

/i y (ɯ) u/ i ü (ï) u
/e ø ɤ o/ e ö ë o
/æ ɑ/ ä a

In particular, I'm not entirely happy with the dotted letters for the uvulars. The graphs after the slash are alternates I sometimes use, although for various reasons I don't entirely like them either. If the language didn't have a rhotic I'd probably use <r> for the voiced uvular obstruent, but as it does that doesn't seem appropriate. I also don't really like diereses for back unrounded vowels. The main thing I want WRT the vowel system is for all 9-10 basic vowels to represented by a single character, since enough sequences of them are possible diphthongs that digraphs would likely get confusing.
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alternate style specifically to address your problems:
<m n>
<p t k q>
<f s h ħ>
<v d g ḡ>
<l r>
<j ẅ w>

<i ü (ɨ) u>
<e ö ɇ o>
<ä a>
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/m n ŋ~ɴ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g k g>
/(f v) s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ tɕ x) h/ <f v s z x j sh tx c h>
/ɾ l j w/ <r l i~- w>

/i̯ɘ y̯ʉ ɘ ʉ æ/ <ii uu i u e>
/u̯ʊ ə ʊ ɑ/ <oo y o a>

/bɑɾləq ɑdɑmdɑɾ təwməsənɑn ɑzɑt ʒæni̯ɘ qɑdɘɾ qɑsɘji̯ɘtɘ mi̯ɘn qʊqəqtɑɾə ti̯ɘŋ bu̯ʊlɘp dʉnɘji̯ɘgi̯ɘ ki̯ɘli̯ɘdɘ. ɑdɑmdɑɾɢɑ ɑqəɾ pɑɾɑsɑt, ɑɾ u̯ʊʒdɑn bi̯ɘɾɘldi̯ɘn, su̯ʊndəqtɑn u̯ʊlɑɾ bɘɾ bɘɾɘmi̯ɘn twəstəq, bɑwəɾmɑldəq qɑɾəm qɑtənɑs ʒɑsɑwlɑɾə tɘjɘs/

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Bad, but still better than the official Kazakh Latin alphabet.

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/m n ŋ~ɴ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g q gh>
/(f v) s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ tɕ x) h/ <(f v) s z š ž (š c x) h>
/ɾ l j w/ <r l j/_i v/_u>

/i̯ɘ y̯ʉ ɘ ʉ æ/ <ie iu e u æ>
/u̯ʊ ə ʊ ɑ/ <uo i o a>

/bɑɾləq ɑdɑmdɑɾ təwməsənɑn ɑzɑt ʒæni̯ɘ qɑdɘɾ qɑsɘji̯ɘtɘ mi̯ɘn qʊqəqtɑɾə ti̯ɘŋ bu̯ʊlɘp dʉnɘji̯ɘgi̯ɘ ki̯ɘli̯ɘdɘ. ɑdɑmdɑɾɢɑ ɑqəɾ pɑɾɑsɑt, ɑɾ u̯ʊʒdɑn bi̯ɘɾɘldi̯ɘn, su̯ʊndəqtɑn u̯ʊlɑɾ bɘɾ bɘɾɘmi̯ɘn twəstəq, bɑwəɾmɑldəq qɑɾəm qɑtənɑs ʒɑsɑwlɑɾə tɘjɘs/

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/[…] ɘ […]/ <[…] e […]>
/[…] ə […]/ <[…] i […]>
That's a tad unintuitive.
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Pole, the wrote:
/[…] ɘ […]/ <[…] e […]>
/[…] ə […]/ <[…] i […]>
That's a tad unintuitive.
Pinyin uses <e> for everything from ɘ to ɤ, so there's at least one precedent. Also, <i> for ə isn't that weird, given that's one of the realizations of unstressed <i> in English.
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communistplot wrote:
Pole, the wrote:
/[…] ɘ […]/ <[…] e […]>
/[…] ə […]/ <[…] i […]>
That's a tad unintuitive.
Pinyin uses <e> for everything from ɘ to ɤ, so there's at least one precedent. Also, <i> for ə isn't that weird, given that's one of the realizations of unstressed <i> in English.
In both of these languages «i» is the higher vowel, though.
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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ plus length



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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m ṉ n ṇ ñ ŋ>
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/ <p ṯ t ṭ c k>
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/ <ḏ s ṣ š x h>
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/ <w d r ṛ y v>

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ <a e ə ẹ o i ɨ u>
plus length

/ʃkəθaːt pɚɽan̪ n̪ewaːɳ xoːʃcəɾɨ məŋəːʂɚ kəɾuhewəːɳe || kɨɽuwaːjenɨ ɨːxeːʂʈ θeːpaʃirɨ təːɳaːɳ ɚːmɨːɾɨ poːwɚː ʈɚɽaʈ || ʂoxɨhe ɚːpas ||
ŋəːhuːʂ mowɨjeː t̪əːkʂəθɨ ʃɲəwɨːs || pəːsatɨ juðɨːʂ jaɨ̯ŋaʈ ʈɚːhəmp kɨːhɨxak ʈʂəʃɲɨ/

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Pole, the wrote: In both of these languages «i» is the higher vowel, though.
True that, I could have used <e> for both or even <i> & <y>, but it wouldn't have been aesthetically pleasing.

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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m nh n nr nj ng>
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/ <p th t tr q k>
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/ <d s sr c g h>
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/ <v d r rr j i>

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ <a e ơ ê o i ư u>
plus length

/ʃkəθaːt pɚɽan̪ n̪ewaːɳ xoːʃcəɾɨ məŋəːʂɚ kəɾuhewəːɳe || kɨɽuwaːjenɨ ɨːxeːʂʈ θeːpaʃirɨ təːɳaːɳ ɚːmɨːɾɨ poːwɚː ʈɚɽaʈ || ʂoxɨhe ɚːpas ||
ŋəːhuːʂ mowɨjeː t̪əːkʂəθɨ ʃɲəwɨːs || pəːsatɨ juðɨːʂ jaɨ̯ŋaʈ ʈɚːhəmp kɨːhɨxak ʈʂəʃɲɨ/

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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m nn n ṇ ñ ṅ>
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/ <p tt t ṭ c k>
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/ <ss s ṣ ś x h>
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/ <v d r l y g>

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ <a e ə r̥ o i ä u> + macron

/ʃkəθaːt pɻ̩ɽan̪ n̪ewaːɳ xoːʃcəɾɨ məŋəːʂɻ̩ kəɾuhewəːɳe
kɨɽuwaːjenɨ ɨːxeːʂʈ θeːpaʃirɨ təːɳaːɳ ɻ̩ːmɨːɾɨ poːwɻ̩ː ʈɻ̩ɽaʈ
ʂoxɨhe ɻ̩ːpas ŋəːhuːʂ mowɨjeː t̪əːkʂəθɨ ʃɲəwɨːs
pəːsatɨ juðɨːʂ jaɨ̯ŋaʈ ʈɻ̩ːhəmp kɨːhɨxak ʈʂəʃɲɨ/

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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ m nð n nh gy g
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/ p tð t th ty k
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/ sð s sh sy ch h
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/ v d r rh j ṽ
/n̪t̪ ʈʂ/ ntð tsh etc.

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ a e õ ă o i ũ u + doubled

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kɨɽuwaːjenɨ ɨːxeːʂʈ θeːpaʃirɨ təːɳaːɳ ɻ̩ːmɨːɾɨ poːwɻ̩ː ʈɻ̩ɽaʈ
ʂoxɨhe ɻ̩ːpas ŋəːhuːʂ mowɨjeː t̪əːkʂəθɨ ʃɲəwɨːs
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/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m nh n rn nj ng>
/p t̪ t ʈ c k/ <p d t rt tj k>
/θ s ʂ ʃ x h/ <th s rs sj x h~-h>
/w ð ɾ ɽ j ɨ̯/ <w rh r rr y g>

/a e ə ɚ o i ɨ u/ <a ei e è o ii i u>
plus length <á éi é ê ó íi í ú>

/ʃkəθaːt pɻ̩ɽan̪ n̪ewaːɳ xoːʃcəɾɨ məŋəːʂɻ̩ kəɾuhewəːɳe
kɨɽuwaːjenɨ ɨːxeːʂʈ θeːpaʃirɨ təːɳaːɳ ɻ̩ːmɨːɾɨ poːwɻ̩ː ʈɻ̩ɽaʈ
ʂoxɨhe ɻ̩ːpas ŋəːhuːʂ mowɨjeː t̪əːkʂəθɨ ʃɲəwɨːs
pəːsatɨ juðɨːʂ jaɨ̯ŋaʈ ʈɻ̩ːhəmp kɨːhɨxak ʈʂəʃɲɨ/

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A thing:

/p t t͡ɬ t͡ɕ k/
/pː tː t͡ɬː t͡ɕː kː/
/ʋ z l j ɣ/
/fː sː ɬː ɕː xː/
/m n ŋ/
/mː nː ŋː/
/r ʁ/
/rː ʁː/
Note: /ʋ z l j ɣ/ become voiceless [f s ɬ ɕ x] when clustered with eachother or with stops, and word-finally.

/i ɨ u/
/iː ɨː uː/
/e ʌ ɔ/
/eː ʌː ɔː/
/æ ɑ/
/æː ɑː/

There's a system of consonant/vowel harmony where /t͡ɕ t͡ɕː j ɕː i iː e eː æ æː/ alternate with /k kː ɣ xː ɨ ɨː ʌ ʌː ɑ ɑː/. /n nː/ may or may not alternate with /ŋ ŋː/ depending on the word, for historical reasons.

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Another thing:

/m mʲ n ŋ ŋʷ/
/p pʲ t t͡ɬ k kʷ/
/f v fʲ vʲ θ ð s h/
/l ɬ ɮ ɹ ɾ r/
/j w/
Note: stops become voiced [b bʲ d d͡ɮ g gʷ] when adjacent to other voiced consonants.
Note: /ɾ/ only occurs intervocally.

/i u/
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/
/a/
/ɛʊ ɔɪ/
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A thing:

/p t t͡ɬ t͡ɕ k/ <p t ƛ q k>
/pː tː t͡ɬː t͡ɕː kː/ <pp tt ƛƛ qq kk>
/ʋ z l j ɣ/ <w z l j g>
/fː sː ɬː ɕː xː/ <ff ss łł cc xx>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/mː nː ŋː/ <mm nn ŋŋ>
/r ʁ/ <r ř>
/rː ʁː/ <rr ř>
Note: /ʋ z l j ɣ/ become voiceless [f s ɬ ɕ x] <f s ł c x> when clustered with eachother or with stops, and word-finally.

/i ɨ u/ <i y u>
/iː ɨː uː/ <ii yy uu>
/e ʌ ɔ/ <e v o>
/eː ʌː ɔː/ <ee vv oo>
/æ ɑ/ <æ a>
/æː ɑː/ <ææ aa>

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Another thing:

/m mʲ n ŋ ŋʷ/ <m mj n g gw>
/p pʲ t t͡ɬ k kʷ/ <p pj t tl k kw>
/f v fʲ vʲ θ ð s h/ <f v fj vj th dh s h>
/l ɬ ɮ ɹ ɾ r/ <l lh dl r rd rr>
/j w/ <j w>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/ <e ea o oa>
/a/ <a>
/ɛʊ ɔɪ/ <eu oi>
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/p t t͡ɬ t͡ɕ k/ <b d dl ǵ g>
/pː tː t͡ɬː t͡ɕː kː/ <p t tl ḱ k>
/ʋ z l j ɣ/ <v z l y ǥ>
/fː sː ɬː ɕː xː/ <f s ł š h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/mː nː ŋː/ <m̄ n̄ ŋ̄>
/r ʁ/ <r x>
/rː ʁː/ <r̄ x̄>
Note: /ʋ z l j ɣ/ become voiceless [f s ɬ ɕ x] when clustered with eachother or with stops, and word-finally.

/i ɨ u/ <í i u>
/iː ɨː uː/ <íí ii uu>
/e ʌ ɔ/ <é e o>
/eː ʌː ɔː/ <éé ee oo>
/æ ɑ/ <á a>
/æː ɑː/ <áá aa>


There's a system of consonant/vowel harmony where /t͡ɕ t͡ɕː j ɕː i iː e eː æ æː/ alternate with /k kː ɣ xː ɨ ɨː ʌ ʌː ɑ ɑː/. /n nː/ may or may not alternate with /ŋ ŋː/ depending on the word, for historical reasons.

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Haplogy wrote:A thing:

/p t t͡ɬ t͡ɕ k/
/pː tː t͡ɬː t͡ɕː kː/
/ʋ z l j ɣ/
/fː sː ɬː ɕː xː/
/m n ŋ/
/mː nː ŋː/
/r ʁ/
/rː ʁː/
Note: /ʋ z l j ɣ/ become voiceless [f s ɬ ɕ x] when clustered with eachother or with stops, and word-finally.
«p t tł c k»
«pp tt ttł cc kk»
«v z l y g»
«f s ł ç h»
«m n ŋ»
«mm nn ŋŋ»
«r ğ»
«rr ğğ»
/i ɨ u/
/iː ɨː uː/
/e ʌ ɔ/
/eː ʌː ɔː/
/æ ɑ/
/æː ɑː/

There's a system of consonant/vowel harmony where /t͡ɕ t͡ɕː j ɕː i iː e eː æ æː/ alternate with /k kː ɣ xː ɨ ɨː ʌ ʌː ɑ ɑː/. /n nː/ may or may not alternate with /ŋ ŋː/ depending on the word, for historical reasons.
«i ı u»
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«ėė ee oo»
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[quote="opipik"]/m n ŋ~ɴ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g q gh>
/(f v) s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ tɕ x) h/ <f v s z sh zh (xh txh kh) c h>
/ɾ l j w/ <r l j w>

/i̯ɘ y̯ʉ ɘ ʉ æ/ <i io e eo ae>
/u̯ʊ ə ʊ ɑ/ <u y o a>

/bɑɾləq ɑdɑmdɑɾ təwməsənɑn ɑzɑt ʒæni̯ɘ qɑdɘɾ qɑsɘji̯ɘtɘ mi̯ɘn qʊqəqtɑɾə ti̯ɘŋ bu̯ʊlɘp dʉnɘji̯ɘgi̯ɘ ki̯ɘli̯ɘdɘ. ɑdɑmdɑɾɢɑ ɑqəɾ pɑɾɑsɑt, ɑɾ u̯ʊʒdɑn bi̯ɘɾɘldi̯ɘn, su̯ʊndəqtɑn u̯ʊlɑɾ bɘɾ bɘɾɘmi̯ɘn twəstəq, bɑwəɾmɑldəq qɑɾəm qɑtənɑs ʒɑsɑwlɑɾə tɘjɘs/

Barlyq adamdar tywmysynan azat zhaeni qader qasejite min qoqyqtary ting bulip deonejigi kilide. Adamdargha aqyr parasat, ar uzhdan bireldin, sundyqtan ular ber beremin twystyq, bawyrmaldyq qarym qatynas zhasawlary tejes.

Or, optimizing for pan-Turkic comprehension without using diacritics:

/i̯ɘ y̯ʉ ɘ ʉ æ/ <e eo i eu ea>
/u̯ʊ ə ʊ ɑ/ <u y o a>

Barlyq adamdar tywmysynan azat zheane qadir qasijeti men qoqyqtary teng bulip deunijege keledi. Adamdargha aqyr parasat, ar uzhdan berilden, sundyqtan ular bir birimen twystyq, bawyrmaldyq qarym qatynas zhasawlary tijis.
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Proto-Pannonian

/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ p b t d c č kj gj k g kw gw
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ f s z š ž hj h
/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n nj n(g)
/l ʎ r j w/ l lj r j w
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ a e y u aı eı oı yı uı
/ai̯ au̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ aj aw aıj aıw eıj eıw oıj oıw
ogonek = nasal

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/m n ŋ~ɴ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d k g q ɢ/ <p b t d k g q gh>
/(f v) s z ʃ ʒ (ɕ tɕ x) h/ <(f v) s z sh zh (sh ch x) h>
/ɾ l j w/ <r l j w>

/i̯ɘ y̯ʉ ɘ ʉ æ/ <e ö i ü ä>
/u̯ʊ ə ʊ ɑ/ <o y u a>

The Kazakh vowel system isn't actually *that* fucked up, you know,

/bɑɾləq ɑdɑmdɑɾ təwməsənɑn ɑzɑt ʒæni̯ɘ qɑdɘɾ qɑsɘji̯ɘtɘ mi̯ɘn qʊqəqtɑɾə ti̯ɘŋ bu̯ʊlɘp dʉnɘji̯ɘgi̯ɘ ki̯ɘli̯ɘdɘ. ɑdɑmdɑɾɢɑ ɑqəɾ pɑɾɑsɑt, ɑɾ u̯ʊʒdɑn bi̯ɘɾɘldi̯ɘn, su̯ʊndəqtɑn u̯ʊlɑɾ bɘɾ bɘɾɘmi̯ɘn tʊwəstəq, bɑwəɾmɑldəq qɑɾəm qɑtənɑs ʒɑsɑwlɑɾə tɘjɘs/

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did i do this already

/p b t d tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d tz te de c g qu gu>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ <f s s/z ce ge se h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ne ng>
/l ʎ r j w/ <l le r i v>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ <a o i u ā ē ō ī ū>
/ai̯ au̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ <ai au āi āu ei eu oi ou>
nasal: -m, but nasal vowel + r = <n>, n = <nn> (reflecting diachronics)

/barru ənaːu̯lə̃raːi̯ŋk kaːllaːi̯n ɕəssəŋ askʷai̯ | au̯jũ farjaxũ waʒnũ wjəʒit | au̯jũki ũʒũ kʷaxtũ azbareːt | au̯jũki ʒumãrũ pʎawoːx pjərət | barru ɕəssuŋin rukaːwas/
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or, the eastern alternative:

Barru änāuläṇāiṅk kāllāin śässäṅ askᵘai. Auyuṃ faryahuṃ važnuṃ vyäžit. Aujuṃki uṃžuṃ kᵘahtuṃ asbaret. Auyuṃki žumaṇuṃ plyavoh pyärät. Barru śässuṅin rukāvas.
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If parenthetical characters follow a letter below, the sequence represents a transcription change from the parenthetical IPA to Basic.

/(b, p) (s, z) k t (f, v)/
/g h y(j) l m/
/n r(ɹ) hl ʃ ə(sv)/
/tl vl vr(vɹ)/
/ᴀ a(e) e(i) o u i(aɪ̯)/

/'tᴀ.rᴀs/
Δäωäc = Täräs, Ältrunyän Goddess of the hunt

/'tᴀ.ruʃ.kᴀ/
Δäωuςϙä = Tärushkä (diminutive thereof and v. to hunt)

/'tᴀ.ruʃ.kan/
Δäωuςϙaφ = Tärushkan (above + yn nounal affix and n. hunter)

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I think I got your inventory right?

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t k g/ <p b t k g>
/f v s z ʃ h/ <f v s z x h>
/ɹ l j/ < r l j>
/vl vɹ tl sv hl/ <vl vr tl sv hl>
/ä e i o u aɪ̯/ < a e i o u ai>

I'm not sure why you have those clusters unless they're the only clusters you're allowed within a syllable, but they still aren't separate phonemes.
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I probably should have explained that a single character represents each voiced/voiceless pair. The correlation is as follows: я (b/p), c (s/z), and ѳ (f/v). At one time, δ was a combination of d and t. However, d saw so little use that they eliminated it. One thing English speakers would find strange about Basic, and it's descendant Baikal, is the absence of r-checking due to the rule that ω must be syllable-initial or in a digraph. Thus, words like bard can't exist in either language.

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