The Lexicon Building Counselling Service

[Izambri]

I wouldn't call a boy like what could be an onomatopoeia for puking.

Interesting. [kɻ̩si] doesn't sound onomatopoeically puke-ish to me.

It's closer to cursi than any other word I know IMO. XD

And how about [wuɻf]? Does that sound puke-ish at all?

Not to me. I mentioned Crsi because I thought that was the word for "boy", but now I see I got mistaken, since it's really Wurf, which doesn't sound puke-ish to me.

[Thry]

I fail to see how <Wurf> sounds like puking.

Well it's closer to a dog's bark, but it's not hard to imagine at all: labialness is common in onomatopoeias for things coming out of the mouth: air (burp, belch, blah); the rhotic adds the vibrating factor and the frication indicates continuity.

I personally love the sound of the word,

De gustibus non est vomitandum.

and onomatopoeia varies between cultures/langs (The Pazmat onomatopoeia for puking is Xrx anyway).

Yes, the significant/signification correspondence in the linguistic symbol is largely arbitrary and conventional. Wait, there was one exception...

[L'alphabētarium]

I like Crsi meaning "girl", maybe because it reminds me of Greek κορίτσι [ko'ri.tsi] meaning the same thing.
Wurf sounds kinda odd to me, but I think it's better than the man-diminutive.

... you didn't even have one for heat !

Yes I have: fage ['faʒə], ['fad͡ʒe], ['faʒɔ], ['faʒæ]...

I know I don't even get a vote on that, but... please don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish!
['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!

You can start exterminating all natural languages* that have features and traits as "weird" as those above.
Then we'll talk about conlangs.

*You can begin, for example, with Occitan (Occitània [utsi'tanjɔ], carrièra [karj'ɛɾɔ], lenga ['leŋgɔ]...) and carry on with Catalan (mare ['maɾæ], torna ['toɾnæ]...)

Shame on you for assuming I'm not familiar with the peculiarities of lesser Romance languages!

P.S.(whispering): The fact a natural language does it, does not make it any less odd/weird/strange/peculiar/bizarre/queer, ya know!

[Izambri]

Shame on you for assuming I'm not familiar with the peculiarities of lesser Romance languages!

P.S.(whispering): The fact a natural language does it, does not make it any less odd/weird/strange/peculiar/bizarre/queer, ya know!

Oh, shame on you then, for assuming that I assumed you don't know nothing about lesser know Romance tongues. I didn't said anything of that.

My post was in response to your «don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish! ['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!».

«Don't use this»... «That's odd»... «That sounds perfect»... Hum, it's nice to have your own taste and ideas, but don't tell others what to do taking your subjective point of view that way!

[Thry]

P.S.(whispering): The fact a natural language does it, does not make it any less odd/weird/strange/peculiar/bizarre/queer, ya know!

... only that it does. Why is X weird? Because it is uncommon in some way. So Occitan doing it doesn't make <a> [o] typical, but it certainly makes it less weird for a conlang to do it. Weird orthographies are more ok if A Natlang Did It.

don't tell others what to do taking your subjective point of view that way!

That's a figure of speech, catalazi!

[Izambri]

don't tell others what to do taking your subjective point of view that way!

That's a figure of speech, catalazi!

Suggestion, not requisition.

[Thry]

What I was saying is that figures of speech for suggestion may include grammatical imperatives and orders. E.g.:

A: You've been all day long in your room. Come walk the dog with me!
B: Yea, well sorry, it's just that I have to hand in some papers tomorrow.
A: Oh, I see. Well, no problem, see you for dinner.

The part in italics is, surpisingly, a suggestion.

[Izambri]

What I was saying is that figures of speech for suggestion may include grammatical imperatives and orders. E.g.:

A: You've been all day long in your room. Come walk the dog with me!
B: Yea, well sorry, it's just that I have to hand in some papers tomorrow.
A: Oh, I see. Well, no problem, see you for dinner.

The part in italics is, surpisingly, a suggestion.

You said it: may include.

On the other hand (and what really matters), what about the poor dog? Does he have a chance of election?

[Thry]

pssssá, mere res extensae...!

[L'alphabētarium]

Shame on you for assuming I'm not familiar with the peculiarities of lesser Romance languages!

P.S.(whispering): The fact a natural language does it, does not make it any less odd/weird/strange/peculiar/bizarre/queer, ya know!

Oh, shame on you then, for assuming that I assumed you don't know nothing about lesser know Romance tongues. I didn't said anything of that.

My post was in response to your «don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish! ['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!».

«Don't use this»... «That's odd»... «That sounds perfect»... Hum, it's nice to have your own taste and ideas, but don't tell others what to do taking your subjective point of view that way!

Nay, nay, nay! I said:

I know I don't even get a vote on that, but... please don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish!
['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!

Don't leave that out as if I didn't mention it and was telling you what to do!
I was kind, considerate, thoughtful and by no means wanted to force you into something, just making an appeal to you.

[Izambri]

Shame on you for assuming I'm not familiar with the peculiarities of lesser Romance languages!

P.S.(whispering): The fact a natural language does it, does not make it any less odd/weird/strange/peculiar/bizarre/queer, ya know!

Oh, shame on you then, for assuming that I assumed you don't know nothing about lesser know Romance tongues. I didn't said anything of that.

My post was in response to your «don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish! ['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!».

«Don't use this»... «That's odd»... «That sounds perfect»... Hum, it's nice to have your own taste and ideas, but don't tell others what to do taking your subjective point of view that way!

Nay, nay, nay! I said:

I know I don't even get a vote on that, but... please don't use ['faʒɔ] or ['faʒæ] to pronounce fage. They seems odd-ish!
['faʒə] with an allophone of ['fad͡ʒe] looks/sounds purrrfect!

Don't leave that out as if I didn't mention it and was telling you what to do!
I was kind, considerate, thoughtful and by no means wanted to force you into something, just making an appeal to you.

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

[Thry]

No, the dog is! Cynical even!

[L'alphabētarium]

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

I don't recall mentioning any canines, guilty or not guilty...
You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

[Izambri]

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

I don't recall mentioning any canines, guilty or not guilty...
You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

You still don't get it, eh? Don't worry, you're new here. XD

[L'alphabētarium]

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

I don't recall mentioning any canines, guilty or not guilty...
You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

You still don't get it, eh? Don't worry, you're new here. XD

I've been kidding since my second comment...

[Izambri]

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

I don't recall mentioning any canines, guilty or not guilty...
You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

You still don't get it, eh? Don't worry, you're new here. XD

I've been kidding since my second comment...

Aaaaah... too late, alph.

[L'alphabētarium]

NO, NO, NO, NO! You're an evil person, and that poor dog is completely innocent!!!

I don't recall mentioning any canines, guilty or not guilty...
You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

You still don't get it, eh? Don't worry, you're new here. XD

I've been kidding since my second comment...

Aaaaah... too late, alph.

Granted!

[Izambri]

No, the dog is! Cynical even!

Which makes me think about the Hellesan word for "dog": cai (masc. sg.) and cade (fem. sg.), from Peran kadi "dog", a nice example of palatalization of a root's consonant that forces its loss in the masculine but not in the femenine.

Strangely I ended up with a similar thing for "cat", but with labialization: mau (masc. sg.) and maure (fem. sg.), from Old Hellesan maur, from Peran mauru "cat", from Sate masuru "cat".

[Thry]

You can clarify this topic with ['ɛ.an]; I have no part in this.

Don't open my e's, you perv.

Izzy that's just showing off, you already have the words ;P! But yea, they're neat. Cai made me think of Cádiz's local hyper-reduced pronounciation as ['ka.i] xD.

Meowr.

[Izambri]

Izzy that's just showing off, you already have the words ;P! But yea, they're neat. Cai made me think of Cádiz's local hyper-reduced pronounciation as ['ka.i] xD.

Meowr.

Ah, no, I wasn't asking for advice. But if you want me placing an order, please, gimme a root or word for the very concept of "colony", and I'll adopt or adapt it (in)to Hellesan.

[Thry]

xD no idea, but this is relevant:

colón.

(De C. Colón, c1451-1506, marino y descubridor del Nuevo Mundo, por llevar grabada su efigie).

1. m. Unidad monetaria de Costa Rica y de El Salvador.

lol Serafín do you guys actually have coins with Columbus's face all over it? Or is that an old coin?

[Izambri]

xD no idea

Aurf!


The OED says:

colony (n.)
late 14c., "ancient Roman settlement outside Italy," from L. colonia "settled land, farm, landed estate," from colonus "husbandman, tenant farmer, settler in new land," from colere "to inhabit, cultivate, frequent, practice, tend, guard, respect," from PIE root *kwel- "move around" (source of L. -cola "inhabitant;" see cycle (n.)). Also used by the Romans to translate Gk. apoikia "people from home." Modern application dates from 1540s.

I think I'll go the Greek way... I like the "from home", as if the word was made by people from the colonies and not the others.

[Thry]

So what would that be in Hellean?

[Izambri]

So what would that be in Hellean?

I worked it... and don't like the result. The word sounds almost like *Narnia* XD

Time to try again. I'll keep the etymology, "people from home", but I'll need to do a roundabout way.

[Thry]

I tried to work that apoikia thing in Silladen and got this:

Edhuif /e.ðui̯v/
or Edhuim /e.ðui̯m/

and directly home-people:

Dovent /do.vent/ (older Doveghent)

but that would mean more like "compatriot"