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Re: redesigning Gevey ... more focus examples

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Rik wrote:Please be aware that some of the stuff above is being changed as and when I think about it.
No problem. I think everyone on this board will understand this COMPLETELY!!!! :)

In some ways, it's interesting to see the changes in progress. It shows the thought process. If anything, I think you should make add a quick post here to mention when you've changed something & what that is. Sort of a conlanging journal, if you will.
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Re: redesigning Gevey ... more focus examples

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Vardelm wrote:
Rik wrote:Please be aware that some of the stuff above is being changed as and when I think about it.
No problem. I think everyone on this board will understand this COMPLETELY!!!! :)

In some ways, it's interesting to see the changes in progress. It shows the thought process. If anything, I think you should make add a quick post here to mention when you've changed something & what that is. Sort of a conlanging journal, if you will.
Used to be a conlang journal ... I contributed some bits to it.

Going through the lexicon, I'm shocked at some of the gaps in it. 'Paper', for instance; no 'pen', no 'pencil'. Not good for the language of a society supposedly on a similar technological level to our own. No word for 'wheel' ...! There's some major work to do here ...

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Re: redesigning Gevey ...

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... some minor adjustments to the phonology, up near the top of the thread - I've got my voiceless trill back!

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As a break (for me) from reviewing the lexicon and filling in some of the most obvious gaps in the root table:

http://www.rikweb.org.uk/gevey/

... just for laffs innit!

Enjoy.

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That's pretty neat.

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clawgrip wrote:That's pretty neat.
... and 'cuz it's coded in javascript I won't need to save the ipa and nativescript data in the lexicon database -- which will save me aton of work.

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I said I wasn't going to do this, but seeing as I'm overhauling the lexicon ...

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Syllable structure
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(C)(C)V(C)(C)

Vowel series
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              short     long      weak      diphthong
close-front   i <i>     i: <ii>   ɪ <ui>    ɪə <ie>
mid-front     e <e>     e: <ee>             eɪ <ei>
open-front    æ <a>     æ: <aa>   ɜ <ai>    aʊ <ao>
close-back    ʊ <u>     ʊ: <uu>             əʊ <eu>
mid-back      ɔ <uo>    ɔ: <ou>   ʌ <ae>    ɔɪ <oi>
open-back     ɒ <o>     ɒ: <oo>   ɑ <oe>    ɒɔ <oa>

consonant series
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                 bilabial labiodental dental alveolar postalveolar palatal velar   uvular glottal
nasal               m                           n                     ɲ
stop             p  b                 t̪ d̪  t  d                          k  g    q
affricate        ps bz                       ts dz    tʃ dʒ                kʃ gʒ
fricative                 f  v               s  z     ʃ  ʒ                 x       χ      h
trill                                        r̥ r
approx                    ʍ  w                                        j
lateral approx                                  l ɫ

orthographical conventions for consonants
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                 bilabial labiodental dental  alveolar postalveolar palatal velar   uvular glottal
nasal               m                            n                     nj
stop             p  b                 tj dj   t  d                          k  g    q
affricate        ps bz                        ts dz    tc dx                kc gx
fricative                 f  v                s  z     c  x                 kj      qj      h
trill                                         r  rj
approx                    w  wj                                        j
lateral approx                                   l lj

permitted onset clusters
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                            fricative          nasal           liquid
stop
          p b                                                  pl pw py blj bwj by
          tj dj                                                tjw djwj
          t d               tf dv                              tl tw tr dlj dwj drj
          k g               ks gz                              kl ky gl gy
          q                                                    ql qr
affricate
          ps bz                                                psr psy bzrj bzy
          ts dz                                                tsr tsy dzrj dzy
          tc dx                                                tcl tcw tcy dxlj dxwj dxy
          kc gx                                                kcl kcw kcy gxlj gxwj gxy
fricative
          f v                                  fm vm           fl fr fy vlj vrj vy
          s z                                  sm sn zm zn     sr sw sy zrj zwj zy
          c x                                  cm cn xm xn     cw zwj
          kj                                   kjn             kjw
          qj                                   qjn             qjw
          h                                                    hl hr hw hy
nasal
          m                                                    ml mlj mrj mwj my
          n                                                    nwj
          nj
liquid
          l lj w wj r rj y

permitted coda clusters
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                    stop           affricate      fricative          nasal
stop
          p b       pt bd
          tj dj
          t d
          k g
          q
affricate
          ps bz
          ts dz
          tc dx
          kc gx
fricative
          f v       ft vd
          s z       st sk zd zg 
          c x       ct ck cq xd xg
          kj        kjq
          qj
nasal
          m         mp mb
          n         nt nd          nts ntc ndz ndx
liquid
          l         lp lt lb ld    lts ltc        ls lz
          lj        ljt ljd        ljdz ljdx      ljs ljz
          wj        wjk wjg        wjps wjts wjtc wjkc wjbz wjdz wjdx wjgx
          r         rp rt          rps rts rtc rkc
          rj        rjb rjd        rbz rdz rdx rgx                   rjm rjn
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Re: redesigning Gevey ... root words

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<snipped - wordlist changed>
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Re: redesigning Gevey ... derivation stuff

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Deriving new nouns from existing noun roots
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-EST                           the masculine form of X
-AF                            the feminine form of X
-OT                            the immature form of X
-ARJ                           a collection of X
-UST                           a type or kind of X
-UN                            the original X
-OM                            the prime form or leader of X
-UIS                           the diminutive of X
-OAG                           the source of X
-UIK                           the product of X
-AN                            the negative or X
-UIL                           X as a spatial territory
-AZL                           X as an idea (mental territory)
-OZD                           X as an ideal or template
-OUQJ                          X as a goods or service
-OIB                           businesses associated with X
-EVRJ                          people who make X
-ATJ                           people who sell or barter X
-EUZD                          people who buy, collect or hunt X
-IZD                           people who work with X

Deriving new nouns from verb roots
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Ä[Q]-                          a concrete representation of Y
Û[T]-                          an abstract representation of Y
GA[M]-                         a person that performs Y
DXE[M]-                        a person that experiences Y
FII[TS]-                       a person that benefits from Y
-ATR                           a person that results from Y
-EUG                           an object or tool used to perform Y
-OISQ                          a goods or service resulting from Y
-OVRJ                          a place where Y occurs

Deriving new nouns from modifier roots
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QA[P]-                         a concrete representation of Z
TU[P]-                         an abstract representation of Z
TA[T]-                         a synecdoche of Z

Deriving new verbs from noun roots
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noi[h]XXXan, noi[h]XXXen       to do, undertake or practice X
bae[ts]XXXan, bae[ts]XXXen     to build, make or fabricate X
ke[z]XXXan, ke[z]XXXen         to unmake, take apart or destroy X
go[t]XXXan, go[t]XXXen         to use or make use of X
hrui[x]XXXan, hrui[x]XXXen     to gather, collect or store X
pou[n]XXXan, pou[n]XXXen       to distribute or scatter X

Deriving new verbs from existing verbs
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MLE[T]-                        the opposite of Y
XNO[H]-                        the lack of Y
KSI[F]-                        the intense form of Y
YO[KJ]-                        the lax form of Y
XEI[RJ]-                       the repetitive form of Y

Deriving new verbs from modifier roots
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be[k]ZZZan, be[k]ZZZen         to be, remain Z
se[k]ZZZan, se[k]ZZZen         to be, become Z

Deriving new modifiers from noun roots
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the stem2 form of the noun can be used as a modifier; also:
-[F]AEST                       like X
-[FY]AL                        not like X
-[R]AFT                        shaped or sized like X
-[L]EUSL                       coloured like X
-[DX]AN                        sounds like X
-[B]OL                         tastes, smells, is textured like or shares a temperature with X
-[B]AL                         acts or reasons like X

Deriving new modifiers from verb roots
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the stem1 form of the verb can be used as a modifier

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<snipped - wordlist changed>
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It's been a while, I know.

I've now finished (this latest iteration of) the redesign.

There's been a number of changes since the last post:
- pronouns simplified
- verb moods are now qualifier words, not a separate class of words
- interjections developed
- qualifiers (formerly modifiers) rejigged
- conjunctive particles in the noun phrase ditched - a stupid idea from the offset
- prepositions completely overhauled
- conjunctions tamed and domesticated.

To celebrate this significant milestone in the conlang's history, I've developed a new, whizzier website for it. The public beta is now live and can be found at gevey.rikweb.org.uk. All comments are welcome - particularly any commentary on readability, jargon usage, broken links, etc.

Enjoy!

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It doesn't work and just says "page"?
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Elector Dark wrote:It doesn't work and just says "page"?
fxd.

More annoyingly, the content page links ain't working like I want them to work ... edit: fxd!

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Re: redesigning Gevey ... cognitive metaphors

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Physical, and emotional, states are locational
Locative and temporal aspecive noun phrases or indirect objects are used to outline an entity's physical state.

He's in love
→ at-love becomes he (aspective copula subject)


Changes in physical, and emotional, states are dative
A change in a physical state will be shown using through dative/temporal aspective noun phrases or indirect objects.

He slipped into a depression
→ towards-depression became he (aspective copula subject)

He came out of the coma with little long-term damage
→ outOf-coma result damage permanent moved he (aspective oblique qualifier action experiencer)


Temporal states are temporal
Changes in temporal states are temporal

Gevey temporal prepositions, unlike object prepositions, combine both locative and dative aspects within themselves

(examples to be added)

Physical states have emotional or health potential
Specifically, they can range on a scale of, in particular: 'tambe-xneqe' (happy-sad); or 'snoove-sweune-tjiine' (well-poorly).

What state/shape is the project in?
→ howMuch project (medial)happy temporaryIs? (conjunction subject qualifier copula)

He doesn't fit in
→ remains he (t)here wellBeing-diminutive (copula subject locativeDeterminer qualifier)

The consequences were fitting
→ consequences wellBeing-selective bacame (subject qualifier copula)


Properties are states
On the whole qualities are not posessed by an object, but rather are an aspect of the object.

He got his red hair from his mother
→ hair red his sourcedFrom-mother permanentIs (subject qualifier aspective copula)

He's got a temper
→ temper his permanentIs (subject genitive copula)


Changes in properties are states
Gevey copulas are used to describe changes in an object's qualities.

he lost his temper
→ temper his became (subject genitive copula)

His hair turned grey
→ hair his grey became (subject genitive qualifier copula)

He lost his tolerance to alcohol
→ tolerance his concerning-alcohol terminative remained (subject genitive aspective verbParticle copula)

I keep getting these headaches
→ headache concerning-me iterative become (subject aspective verbParticle copula)

He turned into a monster
→ monster became he (complement copula subject)


Action is motion
Many non-motive actions can be expressed as motive-like, with (dative) sources and destinations for start and end states, and qualifiers of the motion expressing the quality of the action.

He worked to the point of exhaustion
→ towards-exhaustion worked he (dative action agent)

He drank himself out of the promotion
→ awayFrom-promotion drank him he (dative action patient agent)

He continued the project without looking back
→ project with-no-new-consideration* continued he (theme aspective action agent)
*'tcelkabetikc ûpazyu need puivui' = circling-was-dative consideration none new

I got stuck halfway thorough fixing the engine
→ towards-engine fixing at-point half cease do I
(dative qualifier locative number verbParticle action agent)

Making excuses is not getting me anywhere
→ towards-nowhere using-excuses do I (dative oblique action agent)

We are at the first stages of buying a house
→ towards-house at-point first buying we (dative oblique action agent)

She guided him through the analysis
→ through-analysis discuss him she (dative action patient agent)

We have to get around this problem
→ around-problem attempt must we (dative action qualifier agent)


Change is dative; means of change (causation) is oblique
Motive verbs ('gluo', 'puzuo', 'geedxuo', 'leugxuo' – all of which accept active and static nouns as agents in this scenario) and dative prepositions can be used to describe a change from one state to another, while the prerequisite leading to change will be oblique.

He died from pneumonia
→ result-pneumonia died he (oblique action experiencer)

She was crying from hunger
→ result-hunger was crying she (oblique action agent)

He move from fat to thin through an intensive exercise programme
→ from-fatness towards-thinness using-exersise intense 'rut' programme went he
(dative dative oblique action agent)

The news brought me little comfort
→ news towards-comfort little move for-me (agent dative qualifier action den-oblique)

The years in prison robbed him of his youth
→ years at-prison youthfulness his moved from-he (agent aspective theme genitive action kot-oblique)


Causation is transactional
A range of transactional verbs – for example: 'cokruo' (take); 'ketsepuo' (steal from, take from, weaken); 'twuo' (take, hire); 'topwuo' (supply, provide, give); 'hezduo' (lose, mislay); 'kjweduo' (lose, waste); 'hyuo' (refuse); 'psonkuo' (gain); 'pyuimuo' (give) – can be used to demonstrate causation.

I got a headache from the noise
→ headache from-noise gained I (theme kot-oblique action experiencer)

His artistry emerged from years of practice
→ artistry his from-practice 'rut' years gained he (theme genitive kot-oblique action agent)

He paid with his life for my mistake
→ life his for-mistake my waste he (theme genitive den-oblique genitive action experiencer)


Properties are measurable
The qualifier will often take an intensifier or diminisher infix.

He doesn't have it in him to be polite
→ remains he polite-diminisher (copula subject qualifier)

He has a great capacity for learning
→ willBecome he learn-intensifier (copula subject qualifier)


Importance is a physical location
The importance of a thing is often referenced by location – this approach is far more common than referencing importance to physical size.

That's a big discovery
→ discovery this here shallPermanentBe (subject demonstrativeDeterminer locativeDeterminer copula)

he concentrates on the little details
→ details overThere concentratesOn he (theme locativeDeterminer action agent)

He'll never amount to anything
→ alwaysPermanentBe he overThere (copula subject locativeDeterminer)


Amount is a physical property
Popular methods of assessing amounts include: 'tove-cowje-üime' (loud-quiet); 'paime-dxoese-dxyeke' (tall-short); 'bljaedrje-rjouve' (bright-dark); 'tcerjde-noixe-syaege' (hot-warm-cold) – where loud/tall/bright/hot represent larger amounts.

He's short on money
→ temporaryIs he short for-money (copula subject qualifier aspective)

The number of people living in poverty went up
→ people loud-comparative at-poverty became (subject qualifier aspective copula)


Value is a physical property
When it comes to assessing value, Gevey speakers will most often resort to qualifiers denoting size: 'dxarje-nwjuise' (big-small); 'zmedxe-foupe-tcoike' (fat-thin) – with big/fat representing greater value.

(examples to be added)

Cause and effect are linked objects
Linking verbs include: 'maofruo' (join, bind, lash, tie, glue); 'dxerjzuo' (link); 'hruixuo' (come together). In such metaphors these verbs will accept any causative noun as an agent.

I pulled him out of his depression
→ attention my depression his ex joined (agent theme action)

Warm milk puts him to sleep
→ milk warm sleep his join.atemporal (agent qualifier theme action)

I kept the conversation at a friendly level
→ conversation friendly linked I (theme qualifier action agent)


Causal precedence is temporal precedence
Cause and effect will be in separate clauses, with the conjunction 'bljois' (resulting in), 'pok' (because), 'úiden' (before), or 'rjetas' (after) between them.

A sharp word sent her back to polishing the silver
→ word quick 'bljois' silver resumptive polish she (theme conjunction theme verbParticle action agent)


Life is a river
Life is a journey along a river


(examples to be added)

The future comes from the ground, or lies in the seas (from life=river)
The future is ahead; the future is forwards
Progression is forwards, and downwards


(examples to be added)

The past resides in the skies, or is found in the mountains (from life=river)
The past is behind; the past is backwards
Regression is backwards, and upwards


(examples to be added)

Obligations and agreements are containers
Difficulties are containers
The past is a container


(examples to be added)

Knowing (data) is seeing
Knowing (outcomes, results) is tasting/smelling
Believing is hearing
Guessing is touching


(examples to be added)

Disruption is illness
Disruption is war
Adversity and harm are physical injuries


(examples to be added)

Challenge is destruction

(examples to be added)

Competition is a fight against the elements
Competition is a race

Gevey speakers seem to prefer to see competition as a fight against elemental forces which either has to be endured, or could be negotiated with through spiritual mediators (though the race metaphor is more useful for tactics and negotiation strategies); they seem to avoid talking about competition as a fight or war between people, using the war metaphor instead for disruption and descruction.

(examples to be added)

Control is rooted in the past
Controllers are higher than the controlled


(examples to be added)

Opportunities are transactional
(See 'Causation is transactional' above for examples of transactional verbs)

(examples to be added)

Time is is a finite resource
Time is length, distance


(examples to be added)

Mental fitness is physical strength

(examples to be added)

Mental control is facial control
Gevey speakers tend to compare mental control to facial expressions:
I can handle the situation → I can smile at the situation
Things are getting out of hand → things become frowny
Get a grip → make it smile
Give me a hand → give me a nod
I'm all thumbs → I'm grimace-y
Treat this with kid gloves → treat this with kind eyes
He's got the upper hand → he has more nods
He's too heavy handed → he's too head-shake-y


Ideas are in-the-hand
His idea was half-baked → his idea was limp-wristed
Let me chew on that for a while → let me hold that for a while
It'll take some time to digest that information → it'll take some time to stroke that information
They gobbled up the ideas → they grabbed the ideas
He has an appetite for learning → he has a touch for learning


Ideas are perceptions
Gevey speakers like to examine ideas both visually and through touch. In particular, the mind has a third eye (but not a third hand)

(examples to be added)






... more stuff to come

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