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Author:  Nortaneous [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:29 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:18 pm ]
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A brief excursion into Pannonian etymology:

The PIE root *swergh- 'be ill', combined with the derivational affix *0-ós, produced the lexeme 'thing that makes one ill', which, naturally, underwent semantic drift to produce the Proto-Pannonian word for 'swamp' or 'bog': *sərgás. In Middle Pannonian, *s became h, stress was lost with concomitant vowel breaking, and the nominative suffixes *-as *-us disappeared entirely, presumably via *-əh. (*a regularly becomes *ə before voiceless velar codas; we may assume that *h had the allophone [x].) Eventually, Pannonian became intolerant of RC clusters; in the standard language this generally happened by unwritten schwa epenthesis, but some dialects simplified RC clusters by dropping the R with vowel reduction; these dialects also merged what in Old Pannonian were the stressed and unstressed allophones of schwa, to the higher stressed vowel. (However, Standard Pannonian also doesn't tolerate long schwa.) The word for 'bog' was borrowed into the standard language from such a dialect, and it is hõõg.

Lamp was borrowed at a late date (because vowel breaking failed to apply) from Latin -- maybe even in the medieval era -- but, for whatever reason, it meant 'torch', and later, 'thing that produces a lot of smoke', hence autolamp 'diesel engine' and orrëtlamp 'bus'. (Orrët is cognate to Sanskrit ratha.)

Thus, a hõõglamp is a peat fire used for flavoring whiskey.

Author:  mèþru [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:00 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

hwaʔ ɕe keñ yeh d|oƛ bʘel nǂe yoñ ǁhaʔlə mɛɛʔ nǂa ħaa ber ɕiɕi huylə ka yaʔ hwɨɨy mɛɛʔ
boy go_to go_up climb head land CLF.land be_tall see-SBJZ goat CLF.animal drop feed offspring shout-SBJZ 1S do_to find goat

Author:  KathTheDragon [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:01 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:27 pm ]
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yes

Author:  Nortaneous [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:04 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:52 pm ]
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concept: SOV with final verbs unstressed (as in PIE) but questions are VSO and therefore retain stress, so after stress-related quality changes all verbs undergo ablaut in questions

Author:  Nortaneous [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:46 pm ]
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Author:  2+3 clusivity [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:41 pm ]
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Always inspiring dude -- moar!

Author:  Nortaneous [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:23 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:36 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:39 pm ]
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Author:  Hallow XIII [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:27 am ]
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i thought miar was ugly before but what the fuck is this
a million morphophonemes or what

Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:27 pm ]
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no, there are seven laryngeals

Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:28 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:15 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

The Miar aspects are aorist, completive, incompletive, habitual, progressive, and continuative.

The aorist is the default form.

The completive is formed by rounding the last roundable consonant, and is only marked on verbs with such a consonant: чep- 'fall' > ƽep- 'hit the ground'.

The incompletive is marked in two ways: by lengthened a-grade on the root in most verbs, and by incopyfixation of the final in biresonantal verbs and certain derived verbs: чep- 'fall' > чāp- 'hurtle through the air', ḅer-n- 'consider virtuous' > ḅn̥ner-n- 'be polite' (via 'try to consider virtuous'). Incopyfixation is in fact the default: consider the early Kett loan k°exér- 'shoot' (*kwoxer-, Insular Kett beuher). The incompletive, 'shoot at', is k°rexer-. (The completive, 'shoot dead', is of course k°exér°-.)

The habitual is formed by the prefix ʔe-/ʔa- (with the same alternation as in the reflexive: -a- before voiced consonants that are not semivowels, -e- otherwise) plus reduplication of the stressed syllable: for example, чep- 'fall' > ʔeчpчep- 'be clumsy'. (ч comes from *q, so it takes -e-.) Causatives, where the endings are stressed, derived verbs, and biresonantal root verbs only copy the final consonant: s-ч̥p- > ʔepsч̥p-, plewt- > ʔetplewt-. The habitual takes the formative conjugation rather than the root conjugation.

The progressive, which denotes a continuative action, is formed by the prefix ʔan- plus the zero-grade of the root. The continuative, which denotes a progressive state, is formed by the prefix ʔan- plus the incompletive. In derived verbs and loans, these are confused, and they take ʔan-. Some mutations apply to -n-: glottalized consonants decompose, unvoiced consonants become prenasalized, and prenasalized consonants eject a syllabic nasal.

So:

чep- ƽep- чāp- ʔeчpчep- ʔanч̥p-
ḅer-n- ḅer-n°- ḅn̥ner-n- ʔaḅn̥ner-n- ʔanʔʙn̥ner-n-
k°exér- k°exér°- k°rexér- ʔexr̥k°exér- ʔag°exr̥-

Author:  Nortaneous [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

Passive and active nominalization:

Passive nominalization is zero-grade + -ar, so mey- 'speak' > myar 'thing that is spoken'.

Active nominalization is reduplication of the final + a-grade, so mey- 'speak' > imay-, hence the endonym imayyek°, with the animate group formative -y-.

edit: also, some ideas for descendants:
* prenasalized stops eject nasalization onto the following vowels and merge with plain-voiced stops
* some nasals elide, producing nasal vowels, and the prenasalized stops or laryngealized stops become nasals
* laryngealized stops can merge with p much anything -- plain voiced stops, aspirates, nasals (via implosives)
* chain shift: ph p bb > f ph p (presumably the plain voiced stops and prenasalized stops remain)

Author:  dhok [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

[14:15] <nort> and hm
[14:15] <@dhok> please sir may i make a miar descendent
[14:15] <nort> do it faggot
[14:15] <@dhok> an Official one

(watch this space)

Author:  Nortaneous [ Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

Never mind the stuff about breaking of complex stops. Instead, laryngealized stops dissimilate to plain voiced stops when followed by a glottal stop, and the stative suffix is a glottal stop.

Author:  Nortaneous [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:46 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

Here is a post on adjectives:

Adjectives are derived from roots with several derivational markers of which the most common and least marked is -el°, follow the noun, and display no concord. Fuck adjectives.

The descendants will maybe innovate some adjectives from verbal forms, which will of course then display concord.

Also Miar is SOV or whatever.

Author:  Nortaneous [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nortpad (NP: Ëng Nghëmrï)

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Author:  WeepingElf [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:49 pm ]
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