Antarctican Conscript
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Antarctican Conscript
This is my first ever conscript, so please bear with me. I'd really like to know everyone's thoughts and opinions on this, both positive and negative.
It is designed to write the Antarctican conlang (http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Antarctican), and is typically carved into stone. As such, it only contains straight lines. It was heavily influenced by Japanese katakana, and there are many correspondences between symbols in the two scripts, although sometimes they represent different sounds (e.g. テ indicates /te/ in katakana but /ne/ in Antarctican, although it can be modified by a diacritic to indicate /te/).
It is a syllabary, but one that only indicates four vowels /a/, /i/, /e/ and /u/. Other vowels are indicated by diacritics and or digraphs. Likewise, the only consonants it indicates are voiced sonorants and the glottal stop, with diacritics and digraphs used to indicate other consonants.
First I'll do the nasals. There are 15 base symbols for syllables beginning with plain nasals, however in the modern language two of them have the same meaning /ɲi/. From these, another 15 symbols are derived that indicate prestopped nasals, by putting a diacritic immediately before the syllable.
Please let me know what you think. I am also curious to know if it would be possible to make a font for this conscript. It's not a topic I know much about.
Thanks
It is designed to write the Antarctican conlang (http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Antarctican), and is typically carved into stone. As such, it only contains straight lines. It was heavily influenced by Japanese katakana, and there are many correspondences between symbols in the two scripts, although sometimes they represent different sounds (e.g. テ indicates /te/ in katakana but /ne/ in Antarctican, although it can be modified by a diacritic to indicate /te/).
It is a syllabary, but one that only indicates four vowels /a/, /i/, /e/ and /u/. Other vowels are indicated by diacritics and or digraphs. Likewise, the only consonants it indicates are voiced sonorants and the glottal stop, with diacritics and digraphs used to indicate other consonants.
First I'll do the nasals. There are 15 base symbols for syllables beginning with plain nasals, however in the modern language two of them have the same meaning /ɲi/. From these, another 15 symbols are derived that indicate prestopped nasals, by putting a diacritic immediately before the syllable.
Please let me know what you think. I am also curious to know if it would be possible to make a font for this conscript. It's not a topic I know much about.
Thanks
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Another diacritic is used to derive voiceless stops and affricates from nasals at the corresponding point of articulation. This is a vertical line below the symbol.
Here are the rest of the base symbols (that indicate syllables beginning with the glottal stop and with approximants).
Voiceless fricatives are formed from these by placing a vertical line above and below the symbol for the corresponding approximant e.g. to go from /w/ into /f/, from /j/ into /ç/ or from /ʁ/ into /χ/. Doing the same to syllables beginning with the glottal stop produces syllables beginning with /s/.-
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The symbols for voiced obstruents (stops, affricates and fricatives) are derived from their voiceless counterparts by deleting any diacritics and then adding a vertical line above the symbol.
The gaps in the charts indicate syllables forbidden by Antarctican phonotactics.Re: Antarctican Conscript
It looks interesting but pretty basic, which is not especially unusual if carving into rocks is the main way of writing. Future versions of the script could be interesting.
I am currently working on a font of someone else's script at the moment, but I could eventually make one for you.
I am currently working on a font of someone else's script at the moment, but I could eventually make one for you.
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Thanks a lot for offering to help. What I've posted at the moment is only the very beginning though. Antarctican phonology is pretty complex, so there's a lot more that I still need to do to make sure the script can handle everything.clawgrip wrote:It looks interesting but pretty basic, which is not especially unusual if carving into rocks is the main way of writing. Future versions of the script could be interesting.
I am currently working on a font of someone else's script at the moment, but I could eventually make one for you.
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Now I'll get started on digraphs. You might have noticed that some consonants only have symbols for syllables where they are followed by /i/. Specifically, these are the base symbols for /mʲ/, /ɲ/, /l/ and /ɥ/, as well as all of the consonants derived from these by adding diacritics i.e. /pmʲ/, /pʲ/, /bʲ/, /tɬ/, /dɮ/, /cɲ/, /c/, /ɟ/, /ɬ/ and /fʲ/. These are the
Antarctican "soft" consonants, all of which were originally palatalised in the proto-language (http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Proto-Antarctican).
However, Antarctican permits these consonants to be followed by any vowel. The orthography handles this by using digraphs. These consist of the symbol for Consonant + /i/, followed by the symbol for /j/ + Vowel. To indicate pronunciation as two separate syllables, a vertical line is inserted between the symbols e.g.
Antarctican "soft" consonants, all of which were originally palatalised in the proto-language (http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Proto-Antarctican).
However, Antarctican permits these consonants to be followed by any vowel. The orthography handles this by using digraphs. These consist of the symbol for Consonant + /i/, followed by the symbol for /j/ + Vowel. To indicate pronunciation as two separate syllables, a vertical line is inserted between the symbols e.g.
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As it happens, the impression I get from this script is "futuristic", not "epigraphic", although it certainly looks like it could develop a fascinating handwritten script. Is the influence solely from Japanese katakana, or have south-east Asian scripts had any input? A cross between katakana and Thai script would be awesome.
Any samples of the script in use?
Any samples of the script in use?
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It is actually meant to be used in the future, albeit at a time when society had regressed to a similar technological level as the dark ages.Dewrad wrote:As it happens, the impression I get from this script is "futuristic", not "epigraphic",
I am actually thinking of making a related handwritten script that people use when they are writing on a medium that allows curved lines.Dewrad wrote: although it certainly looks like it could develop a fascinating handwritten script.
I thought about doing this, but decided against it because of how SE Asian scripts are full of curved lines, which do not lend themselves to being carved into stone.Dewrad wrote:Is the influence solely from Japanese katakana, or have south-east Asian scripts had any input? A cross between katakana and Thai script would be awesome.
Coming soon. But first I need to finish describing all of the pronunciation rules. Apart from anything else, I haven't covered how the script deals with vowel length, diphthongs, nasal codas, tone, and ejectives.Dewrad wrote:Any samples of the script in use?
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There seems to be a common belief that writing carved in stone needs to be only straight lines, but this is not necessarily the case. SE Asian scripts themselves were often carved in stone.Linguist Wannabe wrote:I thought about doing this, but decided against it because of how SE Asian scripts are full of curved lines, which do not lend themselves to being carved into stone.
Carving in wood, on the other hand, may more likely require straight lines because of the grains.
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FORTUNATELY WOOD DOES NOT EXIST ON ANTARCTICA
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Also compare, I dunno, the Roman alphabet:clawgrip wrote:There seems to be a common belief that writing carved in stone needs to be only straight lines, but this is not necessarily the case. SE Asian scripts themselves were often carved in stone.Linguist Wannabe wrote:I thought about doing this, but decided against it because of how SE Asian scripts are full of curved lines, which do not lend themselves to being carved into stone.
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Carving in wax, on the other hand, *does* lead to straight lines. Roman cursive, for example.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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I wonder if the point is not whether the script developed on stone. If that's the case, you might keep the lines straight to save on time? Chisels tend to be straight after all.
On a related note, I've been experimenting with clay recently, and although you can get curves, straights a lot easier.
On a related note, I've been experimenting with clay recently, and although you can get curves, straights a lot easier.
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Good point about that. I should have known because I've been to Angkor Wat after all.clawgrip wrote:There seems to be a common belief that writing carved in stone needs to be only straight lines, but this is not necessarily the case. SE Asian scripts themselves were often carved in stone.Linguist Wannabe wrote:I thought about doing this, but decided against it because of how SE Asian scripts are full of curved lines, which do not lend themselves to being carved into stone.
I just did some reading on the Runic script, which was frequently carved into wood. While it did indeed lack curved lines because of this, it also lacked horizontal lines because of the grain of the wood. Not quite sure how this works, but looking over the alphabet I did indeed see that it lacked horizontal lines.clawgrip wrote:Carving in wood, on the other hand, may more likely require straight lines because of the grains.
Presently it does not, but at the time when this script is used, runaway global warming has melted the icecaps, and the continent has been ice-free long enough for taiga forest to develop across much of the continent.Drydic Guy wrote:FORTUNATELY WOOD DOES NOT EXIST ON ANTARCTICA
This is a very good point. Thanks a lot for such an excellent idea. I hadn't thought about the possibility of using wax tablets at all. But I'm definitely going to have the Antarctican concultures use wax tablets a lot in their writing. They would be a lot lighter than lugging pieces of stone around. Plus they are reusable.Nortaneous wrote:Carving in wax, on the other hand, *does* lead to straight lines. Roman cursive, for example.
I was thinking that it would have developed on stone. The early Antarcticans would have been surrounded by lots of it for a few centuries until soils started to form. Though I'm thinking they might have used wax as well (when they wanted to send messages as opposed to just having their writing in one place.GBR wrote:I wonder if the point is not whether the script developed on stone. If that's the case, you might keep the lines straight to save on time? Chisels tend to be straight after all.
Or maybe clay tablets as well as wax tablets. I notice that the cuneiform script developed on clay and is full of straight lines.GBR wrote:On a related note, I've been experimenting with clay recently, and although you can get curves, straights a lot easier.
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That probably also had a lot to do with the stylus they were using as well. The characters that developed into cuneiform we're very curvy - but then I don't know what they were written on/with.Linguist Wannabe wrote:Or maybe clay tablets as well as wax tablets. I notice that the cuneiform script developed on clay and is full of straight lines.GBR wrote:On a related note, I've been experimenting with clay recently, and although you can get curves, straights a lot easier.
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Could the wood be rotated to prohibit vertical lines instead? If so, you could make the script be written on wood and only have to redesign three characters and the diacritic.Linguist Wannabe wrote:I just did some reading on the Runic script, which was frequently carved into wood. While it did indeed lack curved lines because of this, it also lacked horizontal lines because of the grain of the wood. Not quite sure how this works, but looking over the alphabet I did indeed see that it lacked horizontal lines.clawgrip wrote:Carving in wood, on the other hand, may more likely require straight lines because of the grains.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
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The next thing I'll talk about is vowel length. The simplest case is for syllables containing /i/. These are lengthened by adding the symbol for /ji/. A vertical line is used to if the two symbols are to be read as two separate syllables and not a digraph.
There are two ways to generate a long /uː/. The first is straightforward, to simply add the symbol for /ʔu/ after a symbol for a syllable ending in /u/. However, it can only be used for syllables beginning with a hard consonant.
The second is to use a symbol for a syllable ending in /i/ instead. This can begin with either a hard or a soft consonant. This is then followed by the symbol for /ʔi/ (not the syllable for /ji/, which would generate a long /iː/) Syllables containing /a/ are lengthened by adding the symbol for /ʔa/ if the initial consonant is hard, and /ʔu/ if the initial consonant is soft.
Syllables containing /e/ are lengthened by adding the symbol for /ʔe/ if the initial consonant is hard, and /ʔa/ if the initial consonant is soft.
There are two ways to generate a long /uː/. The first is straightforward, to simply add the symbol for /ʔu/ after a symbol for a syllable ending in /u/. However, it can only be used for syllables beginning with a hard consonant.
The second is to use a symbol for a syllable ending in /i/ instead. This can begin with either a hard or a soft consonant. This is then followed by the symbol for /ʔi/ (not the syllable for /ji/, which would generate a long /iː/) Syllables containing /a/ are lengthened by adding the symbol for /ʔa/ if the initial consonant is hard, and /ʔu/ if the initial consonant is soft.
Syllables containing /e/ are lengthened by adding the symbol for /ʔe/ if the initial consonant is hard, and /ʔa/ if the initial consonant is soft.
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Very good point. I think I will create alternate forms for the three characters (the one for /ʁi/ is rare anyway), the diacritic and the separator, that have diagonal instead of vertical lines, and are used when the script is carved into wood.Nortaneous wrote:Could the wood be rotated to prohibit vertical lines instead? If so, you could make the script be written on wood and only have to redesign three characters and the diacritic.Linguist Wannabe wrote:I just did some reading on the Runic script, which was frequently carved into wood. While it did indeed lack curved lines because of this, it also lacked horizontal lines because of the grain of the wood. Not quite sure how this works, but looking over the alphabet I did indeed see that it lacked horizontal lines.clawgrip wrote:Carving in wood, on the other hand, may more likely require straight lines because of the grains.
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I'm not sure about any of this, but boards and sticks and chips of wood tend to be oblong, and these pieces would be held horizontally when runes were carved on to them. If your script doesn't have horizontal lines, then the piece of wood would need to held vertically, and the script would be best written vertically. I think.