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Tloko Logoglyphs

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:45 am
by masako
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Still working on this, but I think it's an improvement on the Omya that I put up last year.

I don't think there will end up being more than about 500 or so logograms.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:57 am
by hwhatting
Looks good. As you say yourself, reminds one of Maya glyphs. Really fit for inscribing a stele or a temple wall.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:26 am
by Anguipes
I love this. So simple, yet aesthetically pleasing and the logograms are still wonderfully evocative.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:09 pm
by masako
hwhatting wrote:As you say yourself, reminds one of Maya glyphs.
Yes. That's the idea. I want it to evoke the look and feel of Mayan while not necessarily functioning in a similar way.
Anguipes wrote:So simple, yet aesthetically pleasing and the logograms are still wonderfully evocative.
Thank you. I started this a few months ago, but did not post it until after seeing your 2L Monumental Style Conscript and being inspired to share. Mine is far less artistic but I appreciate your comments.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:31 am
by kodé
Mixed logographic/syllabic systems are the best! This looks great; I can't wait to see more logograms!

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:11 pm
by Qwynegold
:o It looks like my script for Xǔngpìng, except mine was based on a 4x4 grid IIRC.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:48 am
by masako
kodé wrote:Mixed logographic/syllabic systems are the best!
I wholeheartedly agree.
kodé wrote:This looks great; I can't wait to see more logograms!
Thank you. I'm trying to average a new one per day.
Qwynegold wrote:It looks like my script for Xǔngpìng, except mine was based on a 4x4 grid IIRC.
I don't remember seeing that one...sounds interesting.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:56 pm
by Qwynegold
masako wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:It looks like my script for Xǔngpìng, except mine was based on a 4x4 grid IIRC.
I don't remember seeing that one...sounds interesting.
I posted about it ages ago, but the only picture files I can find now are these:
Boingy.
Boingy.
Bóinì.png (3.01 KiB) Viewed 12706 times
I have no idea what this says.
I have no idea what this says.
Lookit.png (31.94 KiB) Viewed 12706 times
I do have this script written down on a notepad, but my scanner doesn't work with this computer.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:56 am
by masako
Image

Yeah...I can see a resemblance.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:49 pm
by Qwynegold
masako wrote:Image

Yeah...I can see a resemblance.
:mrgreen:

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:08 pm
by Kereb
Qwynegold wrote:Image
Qwynegold wrote:Image
Image

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:20 am
by Yaali Annar
Hmmm, interesting.
What I like is that you can encode the glyph as binary string. Not counting the dot inside blank space you have 2^12 possible combination of 3x3 glyph. It totals to 4096.

Anyone know how to count the possible combinations that considers dot(s) inside blank space?

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:27 am
by masako
@Qwynegold,

I forgot to mention that I have been trying a handwritten version and that seems to be developing similarly to the image you displayed.

@Kereb,

No worries...as long as the beast isn't summoned, all will be well.
Yaali Annar wrote:Hmmm, interesting.
What I like is that you can encode the glyph as binary string. Not counting the dot inside blank space you have 2^12 possible combination of 3x3 glyph. It totals to 4096.

Anyone know how to count the possible combinations that considers dot(s) inside blank space?
Try not to overthink it. The total number of possible glyphs is far less important to me than a functional and aesthetically pleasing system.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...and yes, square-ish

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:12 am
by masako
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Pick a glyph and give it a meaning...help me use these to make logograms...

More charts to follow.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:24 am
by Hallow XIII
45 - tide

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:15 pm
by Sevly
40 looks to me like a big guy standing atop a little guy, so how about 40 - push down; oppress?

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:17 pm
by Kereb
48. kowtow, prostrate self


also I should mention: while I can see that each of these shapes appears in the same eight positions, I personally find the row 25-32 particularly difficult to tell apart from one another

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:20 pm
by Nesescosac
38. foot

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:21 pm
by Astraios
33, greet. It looks like a fat guy waving hi.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:21 pm
by Astraios
(Also, can 57 be 'threesome'?)

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:30 pm
by Kereb
just out of curiosity, does this shape exist in the bank at all?

Image

i know it's too symmetrical to use in all eight positions but it feels like it should mean something

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:39 pm
by KathTheDragon
Kereb wrote:just out of curiosity, does this shape exist in the bank at all?

Image

i know it's too symmetrical to use in all eight positions but it feels like it should mean something
Harmony? Symmetry? Balance?

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 pm
by WeepingElf
Kereb wrote:I personally find the row 25-32 particularly difficult to tell apart from one another
That's always a problem with Masako's scripts.

Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:47 pm
by Kereb
in keeping with Nae's assertion that every conscripter eventually accidentally re-invents the swastika, have this:
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Re: Logosyllabic, epigraphic...Come and help pick meanings!

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:49 pm
by masako
Hallow XIII wrote:45 - tide
Sevly wrote:40 - push down; oppress?
Kereb wrote:48. kowtow, prostrate self
Naeetlrcreejl wrote:38. foot
Astraios wrote:33, greet. It looks like a fat guy waving hi.
Astraios wrote:(Also, can 57 be 'threesome'?)
Done:

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Kereb wrote:just out of curiosity, does this shape exist in the bank at all?

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i know it's too symmetrical to use in all eight positions but it feels like it should mean something
No, it does not yet have a meaning...it is on the next chart:

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WeepingElf wrote:That's always a problem with Masako's scripts.
Problem? How 'bout feature...yeah, I like the idea of it being a feature instead of a problem. Let's go with that.
Kereb wrote:in keeping with Nae's assertion that every conscripter eventually accidentally re-invents the swastika, have this:
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'Cept I don't allow perpendicular intersections in these glyphs...sorry.

Thanks guys. I'll post another chart tomorrow.