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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:27 pm 
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Hi all,

I'm a software developer who would like to (in my spare time, of course) create a large-scale web application to support conlanging. Some ideas I've had for features, off the top of my head, include

* Public/Private languages
* Sound Inventory (for each language)
* Language Families
* A uniform sound change applier (for language families)
* Lexicon

However, while I find conlanging fascinating, I'm at best a rank amateur. So let me ask you, the professionals; what sort of functionality would you look for in conlanging software? What features would appeal to you?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:45 pm 
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I'm an shiny new amateur as well, but I suppose language feature-filtering/sorting would be great to find examples of how others used/coped with certain features. As in, filtering by morphosyntactic alignment, word order, etc. Would be great for data mining as well, I'd think.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:08 pm 
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*Premade and custom checklists for things to add to your conlang
*A word generator that has more control and is better than (in particular, one that easily allows digraphs and uses one formula for syllable structure, and has a better save function)
*An app to create native alphabet fonts

Those are just off the top of my head.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:28 pm 
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An inflection engine, which takes into account all rules of inflection and displays various inflected forms. This engine should be capable of handling inflection with affixes, clitics, independent particles, or discontinuous morphology (infixes, stress shifts, apophony, etc.). With the same technology, a conjugation engine for verbs. By extension, a sound change applier which applies changes to inflected/conjugated forms, and displays certain averages or trends (for example, "3rd person tends to be marked with /t/ in all forms").

Automatic substitution for borrowings (for example, phoneme X in language A is rendered as phoneme Y or Z in borrowings to language B, depending on surrounding phonemes).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:48 am 
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IPA pronouncer please. Even if it's quite rough, just to get a feel for how a word/sentence sounds.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:18 am 
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An automated conlang generator - what I'm envisioning here is something where you choose from various drop-down lists of features, possibly with preset examples to help out those who are a bit stuck for inspiration. Press the button, and it generates a sketch grammar, phonology and so on.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:27 am 
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IPA pronouncers are pipedreams IMO. that being said maybe I'm wrong and let's hope so because one would be awesome.

Syllabifiers would be pretty cool too, you know, something in which you input phonemes and it spews out the phonetic pronunciation of a word.

Etymology trackers would be cool, you know, something you can create words with, apply some sound changes from one to the next lang, and then the new words tell you stuff like "new languese bapa, to kill > from old languese baba, to hurt"

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:43 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:36 am 
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yeah I wasn't being serious jesus guys take all the fun out of conlanging why don't you

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:50 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:20 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:18 pm 
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Mec has an inflection engine like that for (for nouns I'm positive, not sure if he worked adjectives or verbs into it). Might ask him about it, maybe some effort can avoid being duplicated.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:38 pm 
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I really like the on-the-fly mouse-over translator that lernu uses for Esperanto in their forums. It's so helpful.

I wish there were a way of calculating functional load for phonemes in a corpus and a lexicon. I can wish right?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:31 pm 
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INFLECTER YAY

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:16 am 
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A reverse SCA. You have a naming language, and want to make a relative, but you have no ancestor worked out.

A checklist and a conjugator would be really useful too.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:09 pm 
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Something this very board could use is a plugin for PHPBB that produces nicely aligned interlinear glosses. Either by using tables or by using CSS float magic.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:48 pm 
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*Being able to associate IPA symbols to a certain set of characters, then having it generate the IPA pronunciation automatically. I know there are sometimes irregularities, but it would help to have some base to edit.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:55 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:03 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:57 am 
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An app that applies regular stress markers to wordlists before running the list through sound change appliers.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:52 am 
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Mh, I think s/he rather means automatic transcription. However, that's not always so easy, and English is a good example here: graphemes may have different phonemic values depending on context, sometimes unpredictably so – e.g. 〈-ough〉 in through, rough, hiccough, lough; it's also why 〈ghoti〉 can't read /fɪʃ/. I suppose the problem either needs a large ruleset or true artificial intelligence to always deliver correct results, depending on the complexity of the orthography.


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