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All right.

Okay, so he was making some kind of asshole statement on my use of "I might want to say". I assumed it was a non sequitur because I say "I might want to..." so often I quite literally don't even REMEMBER that I wrote it. I hate making direct statements especially when I was telling the guy "hey, your site isn't working". I didn't want to be blunt. It's how I write. I did not literally mean "I may or may not want to say [STATEMENT]". I just tend to add "I might want to..." as a meaningless filler that makes me statement less blunt. I thought what he said was a non sequitur because I had quite literally forgotten that I had written that and when I had re-read it my mind just skipped over the "I might want to say" part because it's that meaningless.

Of course, Drydic had to be a twit about it. I don't like being blunt, fuck.

Pinetree: I think he was referring to my statement of "might", not that.

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No matter what anyone says this is ALL Drydic's fault for being a snarky twit.

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Um, can we get back to serious business, like the level of SRYSLYNSS appropriate to a given scope of a priori conlanging? I really don't give a crap about "Drydic", who -- OH YES AD HOMINEM -- does admittedly come across like living totally up to his name, dea gratia, but this is the intarwebz: the dics are a given, let's just move on by and not just turn into a bunch of jerkass Monty-Python-quoting-type-of-nerds scoring points off each other in some masturbatory chumstorm.

FWIW, and in a totally non-distractingly trollish way, I urge all young and pure conlangers to avoid meddling with PIE. It leads -- inexorably, unthinkably, squamously and rugosely -- to elves and dwarves or dwarfs and even more dull and repugnant lines of discourse. You might as well get involved in auxlanging, amiright?

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Sure sign you need to stop looking at PIE - when you start trying to put random English nouns into the zero-grade when oblique.

[This isn't meant to start a terribly unfunny 'ten ways to know' chain, this is just an example from real life]

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Can't we drop the matter with Drydic (all of which started with a remark on a failing web site) and get back to the TOPIC?

What we have found out so far seems to be:

1. The better the natlang you use as a starting point for an a posteriori diachronic conlang is known, the more rigour is necessary in your conlang in order to avoid problems being pointed out by those who know that natlang well.

2. Some natlangs, such as PIE and Latin, have been used so often that it is not easy to do something that is both original (i.e., different from both the existing natlangs and the conlangs done before in a significant way) and plausible.

What I can add to this is the following:

3. Whenever doing an a posteriori diachronic conlang, you should know the starting language as well as you can. Otherwise, you will make mistakes.

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I'm really not sure PIE's been done to death. Lots of people dabble, sure, but how many really fleshed-out IElangs are there? And given the variety between the extant daughters, it seems strange to think there's not scope for something new.

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No, it hasn't been done to death. But the scale needed to do it well is quite intimidating to those who realize it.

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