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Author:  Izambri [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:50 am ]
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What is the capital of the country? And the native name of lake Balaton?

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:16 pm ]
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The national capital is Sojane, which is also the comital capital of Valeira. In Dravian the Balaton is called Latènca (hence the name of the contat to the north of the lake: it means "across the Latènca". Actually, my next task should be to add in the names of all those bodies of water.

Author:  Izambri [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:25 pm ]
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Dewrad wrote:
The national capital is Sojane, which is also the comital capital of Valeira. In Dravian the Balaton is called Latènca (hence the name of the contat to the north of the lake: it means "across the Latènca". Actually, my next task should be to add in the names of all those bodies of water.

Aaaah, "across the Latènca", ok. My Romance-thinking mind automatically translated that contat name as "beyond (or behind) the lake.ADJ": tra– "beyond" + lat– "lake" * + –ènca (adj) **.


*Don't ask me why, it was my brain who read it that way! :P
**In Catalan we have an adjectival suffix –enc –enca –encs –enques.

Edit: Oh wait. I think that lat– > "lake" thing is an influence from the Hellesan word for "lake", which comes from an earlier word for "wide".

Author:  Salmoneus [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:56 pm ]
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Impressive map - where are the names from?
[Ulterior motive for asking: I was doing an alt-history project like this a while back, and will get back to it in the future I think, and was getting really frustrated trying to name places because I didn't know the etymology of the real name. I don't suppose you've stumbled upon some super-resource of etymological place names, have you?
[[Frankly, even just a detailed map of Roman settlement names would be fantastic]]]

Author:  Astraios [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:42 pm ]
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Architecture? You're obviously in the closet.

Author:  Aurora Rossa [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:48 pm ]
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Astraios wrote:
Architecture? You're obviously in the closet.


How so? Is architecture a gay pursuit now?

Author:  Astraios [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:56 pm ]
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No, I was just looking for an excuse to tell him to get out of the closet already.

Author:  ObsequiousNewt [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:07 pm ]
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Aurora Rossa wrote:
Astraios wrote:
Architecture? You're obviously in the closet.


How so? Is architecture a gay pursuit now?

Being "in the closet" does not necessarily have to do with homosexuality.

Dewrad, where are your resources on Dravian?

Author:  Aurora Rossa [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:09 pm ]
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ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Being "in the closet" does not necessarily have to do with homosexuality.


Not to sidetrack this thread further, but doesn't generally refer to that unless otherwise stated?

Author:  Drydic [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:13 pm ]
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That's the default, yes, but it has generalized well beyond that by now.

Author:  Aurora Rossa [ Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:09 pm ]
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You said that your penpal has heard all about me. What exactly has he heard and from what source did he hear it?

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:11 am ]
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Salmoneus wrote:
Impressive map - where are the names from?
[Ulterior motive for asking: I was doing an alt-history project like this a while back, and will get back to it in the future I think, and was getting really frustrated trying to name places because I didn't know the etymology of the real name. I don't suppose you've stumbled upon some super-resource of etymological place names, have you?
[[Frankly, even just a detailed map of Roman settlement names would be fantastic]]]

The names are from a variety of sources. Most of the main geographic features (major rivers, towns and cities that are of Roman antiquity) are derived from their Roman names: which, by and large, I believe I found on LacusCurtius, or by obsessive googling.

The rest were far harder. Where possible, I've attempted to find the etymology of the Hungarian settlement name: in those cases where the Hungarian name comes from a Slavic or other substratal name, I've kept it (where I can find it! Not knowing Hungarian hampers my investigations here, obviously). In other cases I've either calqued the Hungarian name or just derived one of my own, using either Romance or substratal elements. (I use at least four substrata: Celtic, Slavic, Proto-Albanian (which stands in for Illyrian) and Gothic).

ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Dewrad, where are your resources on Dravian?

On my computer :(

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:32 am ]
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hwhatting wrote:
What is this crematura thing?

Fruit brandy, like palinka.

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:18 pm ]
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Dewrad wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Dewrad, where are your resources on Dravian?

On my computer :(

I TELL A LIE:

We proudly present:

The Dravian Lexicon.

(With thanks to Maknas for the source code etc.)

Author:  KathTheDragon [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:26 pm ]
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Um, are those letter links meant to break?

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:25 pm ]
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Sorry, still cunting around with it. Give it a go now, it should work.

Author:  Herra Ratatoskr [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:29 pm ]
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Is this pdf still pretty accurate?

Author:  Dewrad [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:43 pm ]
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Herra Ratatoskr wrote:
Is this pdf still pretty accurate?

Yeah, there's a slightly updated copy on the link in my sig.

Author:  Astraios [ Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:04 am ]
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Yum!

Author:  Salmoneus [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:59 am ]
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Is it just me, or are the Dravean grammar later chapters just blank?
[I happened to be looking for the historical phonology appendix]

Author:  Dewrad [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:38 pm ]
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Salmoneus wrote:
Is it just me, or are the Dravean grammar later chapters just blank?
[I happened to be looking for the historical phonology appendix]

What's uploaded is just a draft version: i.e. it's just as far as I've got already. The incomplete sections are:

- Preface
- Introduction
- Prepositions
- Use of the verb (from section 12.1.3 Indirect questions onwards)
- Conjunctions
- Word order
- All the appendices

The appendix on historical phonology kinda-sorta exists, but it's as rather outdated draft that needs to be completely re-written. It'll probably be one of the very last pieces to be written, as I fear it might end up disproportionately large. Similarly, I want to get both Middle Dravian and some historical details solidified before I start work on the dialects and sociolects chapter.

If you've got any specific (or general) questions on any of the unwritten topics, though, I'm willing to answer.

Author:  Salmoneus [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:17 am ]
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Not really, just curious about the direction you'd gone for the diachronics (and since your Dravian grammar will one day probably be the most accessible description of a non-Romanian eastern romance language, and probably the most accessible source on eastern romance historical processes generally...)

Incidentally, in the phoneme chart on page 3, you're missing a gap between 'f' and 'v'.

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