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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:20 pm 
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I'm making a computer game were the main character plays a mouse in a fantasy medieval setting where mice have built cities, and so forth... And I was thinking of making a language for them to speak, most text/speech will be in English but was thinking of using the mouse language for maybe magic and to add so depth to the game.

So I guess my question is what would the phonology of a mouse language be like? These mice are pretty much like normal Earth mice except they can walk upright, so use their front paws just as hands and thus make tools, etc... But I imagine the mouth/head shape would be pretty similar. What sounds can a mouse make other then 'squeak'? How is the onomatopoeia 'squeak' done in different languages too (google was useless)?


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Yes global stops would be effected by an upright position, now i think about it.

I have them the same size as normal mice, most enemies are stuff like insects and birds, etc so it's very similar to earth bit no humans. I do have an eating mechanic in the game but a very simple one.

Interesting idea with tonemes... Seeing as squeak and piip use the same vowel looks like i may be using tones instead... Which would be very cool and fun but hard to integrate into the game without it being jarring unless i have a bloody good orthography, even then I'm not sure how appropriate it would be.

I also have rats in the game, how would a rat language differ from a mouse language? Or would they pretty much be the same or dialects at most?


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Location: The Netherworld. Or the Netherlands. Or whatever. Somewhere belowground.
Mice say "piep" [pip] in Dutch, and "chu" in Japanese (if my memory serves me right.)


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Are you making a Redwall game?


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Never heard of it :P


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There's also the , which is both a comic series and tabletop roleplaying game.

Great minds think alike, eh?


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Heard of Mouse Guard before. There's also another Mouse themed tabletop game I've played.

Ok phonology we got so far:
/skp/
/w/
/i:/

Pretty limited... Let's assume if they can make an /s/ they can also make a /t/ as they can articulate there and also make stops. /s/, /k/, and /p/ are all voiceless so going to assume either no voiced consonants or no distinction made. Maybe add /ɸ/??

What you guys think?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:34 pm 
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By the same logic, you could also get away with /x/, I reckon. Maybe /u:/ as well.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:18 am 
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That also works nicely.

Maybe add in /ä:/ too to make the vowel system a bit fun?

Also glottal stop and /h/?

As they have /s/ and /t/ add in an r and l, I think a trill is most mousy, and lateral fricative?

Are nasals sensible or not?


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Okay look for God's sake unless you contrast central and front open vowels in the language DO NOT PUT TREMATA OVER <a> IN PHONEME SLASHES!

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Cromulant, you're no fun! :P

Ok so phonology so far:
/p t k ʔ/ <p t k q>
/ɸ s x h/ <f s x h>
/r l/ <r l>
/w/ <w>
/a: i: ɯ:/ <a i u>

Add in /ɑ:/ <o> or not? Maybe /ə:/ too? Not sure what orthgraphy to use for /ə:/ though.

For tones I was thinking three tones (low, mid, high) and also raising and falling tones, for a total of five tones patterns.

For example I was thinking of calling the character you play in my game Kâvǔs /ka:˥˩vɯ:˩˥s/. The /f/ changes to /v/ between vowels.


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Mice are obligatory nasal breathers - they don't breathe through their mouths, although I suspect that like many similar animals they can do so if truly necessary. Their language would probably sound very nasal, and might involve changing the shape of the nasal cavity rather than the oral. Whether they can actually do this is questionable, but then again we only recently found out that rats giggle when tickled, so...


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:09 am 
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Think I'll go for <e>...

And good point about nasal breathing. But if all consonants are nasalised then no destinction needs to be made?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:19 pm 
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Since consonants are made by changing the way the oral cavity is shaped, I don't think mice will be able to produce any.

Perhaps they would have an hummed language, entirely tonal.


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Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see that article saying that mice can articulate consonants - only that they can modulate the sounds they make. It's entirely possible that mice can sing but not 'speak', being unable to produce anything we would recognize as a vowel or consonant

You may want to look up Solresol - but I've been unable to locate any detailed information online, and suspect that this musical conlang now exists only in some university library collections.


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http://www.omniglot.com/writing/solresol.htm


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