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ObsequiousNewt
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by ObsequiousNewt Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:52 pm
So, as
discussed , I've decided to start a "sound change game", where everybody makes up sound changes. We'll start with a phonology, suggested by sangi39:
sangi39 wrote:
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/b t d tʃ dʒ k g q/
/m n/
/s ʃ x h/
/v r l j/
/i i: u u:/
/e o/
/a a:/
/aj aw/
And here's our wordlist (generated with zompist's generator at equiprobability, plus a few words of mine and sangi's):
berditu:d
The rules are simple: Come up with (or steal) a sound change, apply it to the list, and then post the sound change with the new wordlist and phonology.
EDIT: I've made a
spreadsheet tracking the sound changes.
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ObsequiousNewt on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
ObsequiousNewt
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by ObsequiousNewt Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:00 pm
I'll start, to give you an idea of what I'm thinking.
Rule : /t/, /d/ fricativize to /tʃ/, /dʒ/ when followed by /e i i:/
Phonology : Unchanged.
Wordlist :
berditu:d > berdʒitu:d
(Okay, so only one was changed, but it's good in theory.)
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
KathTheDragon
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by KathTheDragon Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:17 pm
Rule : /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/ in a closed syllable, /ɛj ɔw/ > /e o/
/tʃ dʒ/ > /ʃ ʒ/ . V(A)_V
Phonology : Addition of [ɛ ɔ] as allophones of /e o/ in closed syllables.
Wordlist :
berdʒitu:d > bɛrʒitu:d habeʃawʃ he mɛvxe mɔkvoʃa:lo nahilmɔr najʒra:haw nɛbbɛk su:qqɛn vɔm
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by Plusquamperfekt Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:26 pm
I like nasal vowels: Vm and VN => V~, if m/n are in the coda position
berdʒitu:d > bɛrʒitu:ddʒãj̃baʃ li:mũ lũ rãnis su:qqɛ̃ tʃãj̃rawh tʃãw̃ vɔ̃ ʃajjã
ObsequiousNewt
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by ObsequiousNewt Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:59 pm
Initial voiced stops become devoiced.
berdʒitu:d > pɛrʒitu:d poʃa pubhawvʃawt tudsa:q tʃãj̃baʃ tʃi
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
R.Rusanov
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by R.Rusanov Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:29 pm
jaimbash doesnt become chaimbash?
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ObsequiousNewt
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by ObsequiousNewt Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:38 pm
R.Rusanov wrote: jaimbash doesnt become chaimbash?
Fixed.
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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by Bristel Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:09 pm
Geminated consonants become ejectives or implosives.
pɛrʒitu:djajtʼaːk nɛɓɛk suːqʼɛ̃ *ʃaʄã
*is ʄ (voiced palatal implosive) possible with a sound change here?
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ObsequiousNewt
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by ObsequiousNewt Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:15 pm
Bristel wrote: Geminated consonants become ejectives or implosives.
Depending on the voicing, I assume? Nice one.
*is ʄ (voiced palatal implosive) possible with a sound change here?
By extension, yes, although we are dealing with /j/ and not /ʝ/ here. Anyone have an example of /jj/ > /ʄ/?
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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by Bristel Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:58 pm
ObsequiousNewt wrote: Bristel wrote: Geminated consonants become ejectives or implosives.
Depending on the voicing, I assume? Nice one.
*is ʄ (voiced palatal implosive) possible with a sound change here?
By extension, yes, although we are dealing with /j/ and not /ʝ/ here. Anyone have an example of /jj/ > /ʄ/?
Yes, voiceless becomes an ejective, voiced becomes an implosive.
And yeah, I was dubiously adding that /ʄ /
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by tezcatlip0ca Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:09 pm
Add stress on the syllable two morae before the last consonant, or on the first syllable if there isn't one. Delete /i u/ adjacent to the stressed syllable, unless it is in the first or last syllable of the word. Reduce unstressed /a e o/ to [ə] (unless nasal) and /aj aw/ to /i u/ adjacent to the stressed syllable.
That is:
V > ˈV / _V{:,G,CV}C(V)#
V > ˈV / #C*_
i u > 0 / ˈVC*_C*V or VC*_C*ˈV
a e o > ə / ˈVC*_ or _C*ˈV
aj aw ãj̃ ãw̃ > i u ĩ ũ / ˈVC*_ or _C*ˈV
pɛrʒˈtu:d
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Matrix
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by Matrix Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:49 pm
Initial [s] debuccalizes to [h]. Initial [h] then does some rhinoglottophilic magic, nasalizing the following vowel as it disappears into the sunset.
pɛrʒˈtu:d
Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.
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by communistplot Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:00 am
/x/ causes rounding and backing of surrounding vowels.
pɛrʒˈtu:dˈmɛvxo qɒːx tʃuːx
Dē Graut Bʉr
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by Dē Graut Bʉr Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:53 am
Clusters assimilate in voicing:
pɛrʃˈtu:d
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by Cedh Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:04 am
Uvulars cause lowering/backing of adjacent vowels, and then merge with velars:
i e ɛ ə a ɔ o u
ə ɛ a a ɒ ɒ ɔ o / [+uvular]_, _[+uvular]
[+uvular]
[+velar]
pɛrʃˈtu:dtudˈzɒ:k ˈkɒ:kɒ: kɒːx ˈõːkʼã
Grunnen
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by Grunnen Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:57 am
voiceless plosives become aspirated in the onset of a stressed syllable
voiced plosives become voiceless in the onset of a stressed syllable
stress shifts to the last heavy syllable (long vowel/closed) in a word, or the last syllable in absence of a closed syllable
stressed schwa merges with /i/
note: affricates pattern with plosives
introduces aspirated stops (and affricates) as a phonemic category
pɛrʃˈtʰu:d
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by Legion Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:58 am
Stop using // guys, use [], those are sound changes, not phoneme changes (also phonemes aren't real hth).
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by vec Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:57 am
Nasal vowels are denasalized and become long or overlong if already long. Nasal j and w become n and m respecitvely.
pɛrʃˈtʰuːd
The wordlist is a bit small...
vec
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by tezcatlip0ca Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:07 pm
aːː ɒːː eːː iːː oːː uːː > aː ɔː ɛj ej ɔw ow
Ch > Cʰ
h > 0 / V_{V,#}
əi əu > ɛj ɔw
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by Dē Graut Bʉr Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:33 pm
ɛj ɔw > aj aw > e o
Nasals assimilate in POA to adjacent consonants.
pɛrʃˈtʰuːd
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by vec Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:01 pm
Unstressed short vowels next to a stressed vowel centralized:
ə > ∅
i, u > ɨ
e, o > ə
ɛ, ɔ > ɜ
a, ɒ > ɜ
pɜrʃˈtʰuːd
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by tezcatlip0ca Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:54 pm
Metathesis of an unstressed central vowel with a following sonant.
pʰ > f
prɜʃˈtʰuːd
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vec
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by vec Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:40 pm
Sounds at this point with sounds unattested in the corpus but possibly included in parentheses, definitely only phonetic in brackets.Consonants: Current vowels Stress and syllables:
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by vec Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:48 pm
Aspirated stops merge with corresponding fricatives.
Loss of lateral:
l > ː / _. (meaning syllable), does not result in overlongs if previous vowel is long
l > n
Approximantization of trill:
r > ɹ
Velarization of palatal implosive:
ʄ > ɠ
pɹɜʃˈsuːd
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by Cedh Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:38 pm
Clusters of velar or postalveolar consonants with a labial fricative, approximant, or coda plosive become labialised velars/postalveolars.
pɹɜʃˈsuːdpufɨˈʒʷot aːˈʃʷoʃ ˈxuŋgʷə mɛɣʷə mɔgʷˈʃʷaː ˈakʷ’aː
ə ɛ a a ɒ ɒ ɔ o / [+uvular]_, _[+uvular]
