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Author:  Drydic [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:23 am ]
Post subject:  Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs

So I finally got myself to conlang enough to justify making one of these, yay!

Common Zein. Think a Proto-Romance sort of scale (the common ancestor of a langfamily descended from an imperial prestigelang), but aside from massive reanalyzation of the verbal system the similarities end right there. Its parentlang, Imperial Salanjan, was your standard glorious imperial language, until its imperial polity was massively disrupted by a nomad invasion. Truly by this point it had already changed itself massively, but this provides a convenient cut-off point, and extant examples of Zein, quite distinct from Salanjan, in local texts (particularly those from Kenrui, the Valley Źijn state left over following the incursion of the Udraþ into the lower Rægil river valley.)

Salanjan was a fairly case-heavy agglutinative language, with heavily ergative syntax. So heavy in fact that while the Zein daughters lost case marking almost entirely, they still retain the ergative alignment of their ancestor, marked via word order: muŧok ɔgɔẉeq ko 'she loves me' versus pontal muŧɔk 'she goes' (in case it's not clear, the order is Erg-V-Abs). It also developed a 4-way gender contrast (masc - fem - common - neuter) where none existed in Salanjan, and some freaky pluralization patterns, which I'll post next time so this post doesn't get lost in a comp seizure.

I'll close with a full sentence: śɛmaŧɔ nal ɔwønćereq isɔkɔẉeĩ kusń orehɛẉɛ. "the trader habitually moved wine casks between cities."
breakout (parentheses indicate linking approximants): ś-ɛmaŧ-ɔ nal ɔ-(w)-ønćer-eq isɔkɔ-(ẉ)-eĩ kusń orehɛ-(ẉ)-ɛ
interlinear: DEF-trader-DIR again/often PRET-move wine_cask among/between city

Author:  Linguist Wannabe [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs

Like the idea of ergative syntax. My conlang Kämpya does a similar thing (though it also has ergative markers). Are there any natlangs that do this that inspired you? Or did you think of it yourself?

But where did the gender contrast come from? Was it influenced by the nomad language?

Author:  Drydic [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs


Author:  cromulant [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs

Looks pretty hot. Universals were made to be shat upon, that's my take on the whole ergative syntax thing.

Keep it comin keep it comin.

Author:  clawgrip [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs

So is direct the only explicitly marked case?

Author:  Drydic [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Common Zein Scratchpad & other Stuffs


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