Proto-Khakrhaf (Napankuak Ruakiro ko) scratchpad

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Proto-Khakrhaf (Napankuak Ruakiro ko) scratchpad

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So, I've been lurking around here for a while and I've finally gotten around to doing some actual conlanging so I'm going to do stuff with my hopefully not too KSL firstlang here (Although I'm not sure if the endonym is long enough :P ).

So anyway, here's the
Phonology

There are six vowels
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Represented as following:
/ɑ ɛ e i o u/ <a e é i o u>

Gratuitous amounts of allophones of vowels!

/o/: [o] [ɔ]
/u/: [ɯ]
/a/: [ɑ] [a] [æ]
/i/: [і] [ɪ]
/e/: [ɛ] [œ]
/é/: [e] [e̞]


Also consonants.
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Represented as following:
/p b t d k g m n s z ʃ ʒ r ts dz tʃ dʒ l/ <p b t d k g m n s z sh zh r ts dz ch j l>

Stress and other things about syllables.

Stress is applied on the penult if the last syllable is an open syllable. Otherwise, stress is applied on the final syllable.

Rising diphtongs such as /ia/ and /ua/ gain hiatus following a liquid. Compare ankankua philosopher (lit. thinker) [ɑnˈkɑn.ku̯ɑ] and polua fish [poˈlu.a].

A bit of phonotactics

(C)(H)V(H)(C)
HVH is pretty rare. CHVHC is unheard of. (H is a glide)

Next up is stuff. I'm not sure if it'll be syntax or morphology.
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Who stole /s/ and /z/? With all those other sibilants, one would expect them to be there.
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The lack of /m/ is startling as well, as is /ʀ/ in a smallish inventory.

What is H in your phonotactic description? I see no "H".

Allophony?

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What conditions the allophones?

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I see the problem of not having /s/ or /z/, it's a sort of gap between the fricatives and affricates as well. Lemme edit that real quick.
The absence of /m/ also sort of annoyed me after I tried forming some words, doesn't sound right without it.

The H is a medial vowel, between the onset and the nucleus or between the nucleus and the coda, mostly because the syllables can only be monophtongs, diphthongs and triphthongs.
The allophones are complimentary for each other, although I don't know how well this works in natlangs.
(edit: I might also end up replacing /ʀ/ with /ɣ/ or /r/)
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Having /ʀ/ in a smallish inventory isn't that weird, IMO- it's attested in Portuguese.
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Solarius wrote:Having /ʀ/ in a smallish inventory isn't that weird, IMO- it's attested in Portuguese.
Yeah, /ʀ/ is fine. Attested in dialects of Portuguese, French, and Dutch, none of which have particularly large consonant inventories.

Also, I don't really get what cromulant's talking about. The language's consonant inventory isn't notably small. It's more or less average-sized, I think.
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Solarius wrote:Having /ʀ/ in a smallish inventory isn't that weird, IMO- it's attested in Portuguese.
and Kavalan, which has 16 consonants
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Chengjiang wrote:Also, I don't really get what cromulant's talking about. The language's consonant inventory isn't notably small. It's more or less average-sized, I think.
The inventory I was commenting on almost a month and four OP edits ago probably had 15 16 consonants, which is a moderately small (i.e. smallish) amount.

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cromulant wrote:The inventory I was commenting on almost a month and four OP edits ago probably had 15 16 consonants, which is a moderately small (i.e. smallish) amount.
Ah, OK.
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