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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:18 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT: Hokkanae
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Just a quick comment. Your sound change categories are hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT: Hokkanae
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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
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I'm trying to think of better ways to write the diphthongs and somehow include /ɔ/ (and maybe /ø/) to achieve symmetry among open-mid and close-mid vowels.


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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:11 pm 
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/pʰ p tʰ t kʰ g m n r ɾ fʰ f sʰ s ɕʰ ɕ h tɕʰ tɕ w/ <p b t d k g m n r r̆ f v s z š ž h tš dž v>
/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai oi ie ue ià io ài ei au>
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/i y ɯ u ũ e o õ ə̃ ɛ œ ɔ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o õ ẽ a ò ö ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>
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/i y ɯ u ũ e ø o õ ə̃ ɛ ɔ œ ɑ/ <i y ɨ u ũ e o ö õ ẽ a ò ȍ ⱥ>
/ɛi ɔi ie ue ia iɔ ai əi au/ <ai òi ie ue ià iò ài ei au>

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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
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I know you like putting slashes on just about any vowel letter possible, but I have to disagree with their aesthetics myself, <ø> aside.

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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:21 pm 
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I am personally against digraphs for single phonemes, so I use lots of diacritics.

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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:32 am 
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Thanks. It actually took me several months to come up with a similar orthography for my conlang brazi.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 11:10 pm 
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smooth pronunciation of glides is reported for hokkanae, where glides are phonetically elided and condition the preceding consonant's poa. the smooth (sinmupoel) and the strong (kkanmupoel) speeches are in free variation.

bvogin /bwogin/ common sense > bvoegzin /pʷødʑin ~ pwødʑin/
bogin /bogin/ side dish > boegzin /pødʑin/

gaî /kɛi/ vs. gjaî /kʲɛi ~ kjɛi/


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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:48 pm 
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Can't believe I've posted that in 2014. Feels much earlier. Anyway, I was thinking about a Puczi Hokkanae (East-side Hokkanae) dialect:

i. Turn up the velume did not occur.
ii. Make us stronger also included /f/, developing /p:/.
iii. Big Bang was limited to developping /ɸ/ from aspiration of /p/, and merging /v, v:/ with /b, p:/.
iv. An exclusive phenomenon, Super Smash Bros, developed /z/ > /ʑ/.
v. Avant-garde did not include /o, o:/.
vi. Back-up rich boy did not include /e, e:/.
v. Going Swiss only developed /ɑ/ > /ɔ/.

Thus, the Puczi inventory is:
/p p: b m ɸ t tt d tɕ dʑ s ɕ ʑ n ɾ r k g w ŋ h/ <p pp b m f t tt d cz gz s sz zg r rr k g v ng h>
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ <i u e o ae ao a au>
/ei ɛi ou ɔu ai au/ <eï aï oü oü aë aö/

I was also thinking about creating an alphabet for Old Hokkanae, so that ancient pronounciation may still be encountered in orthography and the current one has a solid base for its writing system (the diagraphs wouldn't come from nowhere, for example).


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 Post subject: Re: Hokkanae
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:57 am 
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