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I am not knowledgeable enough to help with this, but I am very much interested in seeing examples of this in motion. As in some charts of Proto-Wideriver and the various branches and then to some of the different daughter languages once you have things worked out.

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I myself am interested in how the borrowing and language contact works out.

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Took a cue from German and added wukʰtʰaj – canoe.

I need a word for otter and I don't see any obvious way to derive it from what I have. (satpakʰkaʔa is already taken to mean fish.) Any ideas?

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Otter generally derives from the word for water (Germanic, Slavic), often compounded with dog (Celtic, Malay) or local similar animals (sable in Persian (and Turkish and Albanian, probably calqued as "sable" was loaned from Persian to Turkish to Albanian), fox for Arabic).


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wapʰpakʰkaʔa it is for otter, then, since I have a word for dog. (I have a word for fox, but that's a compound already and I didn't want too long of a word.)

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OK, guys, I've reorganized the lists in the Google spreadsheet. There are now two depending on the translation direction, a setup I feel I'm going to need soon.

A few words related to life and death (including words for life and death themselves) have been added to the list because they were missing and I felt they could be derived in obvious ways, and a word relating to work has been added as well. Some more words in other categories are upcoming as well; most likely some more pairs of opposites.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:38 pm 
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Looks like I could have some fun with this :-D

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Will add on the next update (despite being a new root); Google Drive is being a jerk right now.

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Sixteen words added (one of them from Jūnzǐ's suggestion, two more derived from that, and thirteen of my own).

Edited to add: Added a seventeenth; I want to avoid using the same form for intransitive and transitive and I typically use the causative marker to convert the former to the latter.

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One more word has been added; the meaning of another has been changed slightly for consistency.

I want to leave the wordlist alone for now and work on the grammar. It's VSO, it branches right, adpositional phrases are time-manner-place, and it uses postpositions rather than prepositions. What else, though? Is it realistic to have a consensus on only that much for a protolang that pretty much fractures to pieces? What aspects are more realistic to decide for my written daughterlangs first?

The first thing I want to figure out is how to make an irrealis mood (from the existing stock, if possible) and where to stick it in the verb paradigm (currently base + perfect marker + pronoun maximally). If I can develop multiple for specific purposes so it doesn't have just one irrealis mood, I'd like to.

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Are you still working on Wideriver?

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This isn't an active project, no.

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