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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:50 pm 
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I have created this thread to be a 'scratchpad', if one will, for a language I created. It is designed to be a proto-language I shall be placing in my conworld, of which few details yet exist. This first post contains the sound changes from the proto-language to its descendant (not my invention, but rather Toki Pona with a somewhat expanded vocabulary).

I am only beginning to employ sound changes to create languages, so I am not particularly good at it. As for the request, how naturalistic are these sound changes? The phonetic inventory of the proto-language is in the attached file. The sound changes that follow are in .sc format from the SCA2. Here they are:

U=PTCKQRBDG
S=ptckqrbdg
I=pbcMNL
F=kgknnn
V=aiu
X=eeo
C=ptkbdgfvszʃʒčmnwjlh
H=mn
A=aeiou

U/S/U_
I/F/_²
/n/_U
U/S/_
c/kj/_
N/nj/_
L/nl/_
M/nw/_
r/qq/_
q/k/_
n/m/_[pfbvwm]
m/n/_[tkdglszjʒn]
V//_#
tt/s/_
kk/h/_
dd/z/_
gg/gh/_
C//_²
H/H²/_[C#]
H/H²/_[C#]
C//_#
w/v/_
j/dʒ/_
i/ji/C_
[tkc]/č/_j
[dg]/dʒ/_j
j//C_
h/f/_u/C_
V/X/_Z
č/tʃ/_
C//_[C#]/_²
p/f/_
b/v/_
t/d/A_A
k/g/A_A
f/v/_
s/z/_
ʃ/ʒ/_
C//_²
H//#_C
[eiou]//A_
[eiou]//_A
a//_²
m/n/_#
a/o/ʒ_
u/a/ʒ_

Note also that the p and b convert from velars to labiovelars before they fricativise, but after they have undergone p, b/k, g/_p, b. Thank you to anyone who takes the time to assess this.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:43 am 
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it's hard to visualize those changes on account of it's not a very informative format you chose to present them in

maybe try a graph with IPA ?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:03 am 
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I would like to send on your PM. But I don't know for them.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:03 pm 
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I am not quite sure what you like to be called, so I address people here with what I presume they would like for a name. If you would prefer something else, feel free to tell me.

Mr. Rusanov, thank you for your feedback. I am not quite sure how to construct an IPA graph. Do you have any examples or explanations of how they work?

Mr. Gorenc, you won't be able to. I have turned off the ability for people to send my private messages in my settings. I will PM you the numbers in this language. If you want something else as well, just tell me and I will turn PM on again.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:13 am 
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on Wikipedia details a standard notation for displaying sound changes.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:21 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:12 am 
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Quantum,
Thank You! I will alter the format of the sound changes when I get the time. I do have to update them too, so that will probably be when I do that.

Mr. Gorenc,
I will PM you this too, so that I know you receive it. I have changed the numbers slightly, so I will rewrite them here. The conlang doesn't technically have a name, though I always call it Proto-Toki-Pona, and it doesn't look like I will rename it anytime soon. j is the palatal approximant (yes), T a voicelss prenasalised alveolar stop (similar to into), K a voiceless prenasalised velar stop (similar to ink), and N a palatal nasal (similar to the man you know). Also, the L in Li is a prenasalised lateral affricate (similar to antler). The updated numbers are:
Native-
One: kka (n root)
Two: du (plain root)
Three: Li (plain root)
Four or more: muatid (plain root)

Borrowed:
Four: juk (plain root)
Five: tiK (plain root)
Six: tiTi (plain root)
Eight: kat (plain root)
Nine: Ni (n root)
Ten: diu (plain root)

Hopefully this helps!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:48 am 
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I am now to begin work on the sound change editing, though progress may be slow (I will repost them upon finishing). I am also beginning to add content on the language at [url]conlangfiles.weebly.com/proto-toki-pona[/url]. Most content will still be posted here first however.

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