Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

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StrangerCoug wrote:Exactly as in IPA except that <y '> represents /j ʔ/.

Ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa, ko̰ pḛ'e ŋa̰ 'opɨŋḭnen-ka̰.
/ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa ko̰ pḛʔe ŋa̰ ʔopɨŋḭnenka̰/

a ā b c č d ð e ē è ḕ f g ǥ h i ī j k l m n ŋ o ō ò ṑ p r s š t u ū v x z ž ʒ ǯ þ

Āǥa þō beð je čašīna nòx balji þō. È kīja? Þḕldriŋ þō ʒa hame ǯi.
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Try this one:
bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.
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bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.
/βirˑt nːaʔ ⱱæan beːan neːɾ muʔ c͡çam læaɒm eir vomː wiar ɕʊʌɜn/

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a ch e h i j k kh l m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.

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opipik wrote:bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.
/βirˑt nːaʔ ⱱæan beːan neːɾ muʔ c͡çam læaɒm eir vomː wiar ɕʊʌɜn/

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a ch e h i j k kh l m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.

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<a ch e h i j k kh l  m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z>
/a tʃ e h i dʒ k X l  m n ŋ  au p pʰ r s ʃ  t tʰ ts u ʉ v w j z/
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.
kauŋ na Xaupi e, tauŋ ŋʉ, pʉ tʰauŋ tʃi kuŋzauŋ e, kuŋzauŋ in maŋtʰu kau ai pʰadʒautsaŋ.

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b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.
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You post an alphabet AND a sentence, not just a sentence.
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Birdlang wrote:You post an alphabet AND a sentence, not just a sentence.
Try this:
b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.[/quote]
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The following is inspired by a non-Greek natlang:
‹α β ββ γ γγ δ δδ ζ η ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ω›

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YourFace wrote:Try this:
b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.
p t k   /pʰ tʰ kʰ/ (you seem to have ‹t› in your example sentence but not in your grapheme inventory)
b d g :   /p t k ʔ/
f s sh x q h   /f s ʂ ʃ χ h/
v z ŕ   /v z ʒ/
m n l r w   /m n l ɽ w/
a aa â âa e ee i ii o oo u uu   /æ æː ɑ ɑː e eː i iː o oː u uː/ (assuming that à and ă are typos for â)

surface phonetic processes:
/æː ɑː eː oː/ > [ɛə ɑə ie uo]
/æ ɑ/ > [æˑ ɑˑ] / open stressed syllables
/p t k/ > / adjacent to voiced consonants; > [b̥ d̥ g̊] / between vowels
epenthesis of [ə] in other clusters of mixed voicedness or awkward sonority
plosive + /ʔ/ > ejective; fricative + /ʔ/ > ejective affricate, including as sandhi across words
stress on the leftmost overheavy syllable (underlyingly closed with a long vowel), otherwise penultimate

[ˈmoʒde vɑə ʂæˈluom | ˈestʰəvekʼ‿ɑm | neˈvetʼe ˈmæˑɽotsʼən væleˈd̥ɑəʔəm]
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Ah, sorry about the typos, and the missing <t>.

a i u ā ī ū à ì ù á í ú ă ĭ ŭ â î û ä ï ü p b t d k g q ġ w y m n l r j qj gj kj s z sh h ng f v fv mn th dh tth ddh tdh
pâqlūdo swĭnï rum salath madth îm, gâanmwïpinär shalus.
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a i u ā ī ū à ì ù á í ú ă ĭ ŭ â î û ä ï ü p b t d k g q ġ w y m n l r j qj gj kj s z sh h ng f v fv mn th dh tth ddh tdh
pâqlūdo swĭnï rum salath madth îm, gâanmwïpinär shalus.
All consonants in as in IPA, but j is voiced palatial stop, g dot is voiced uvular stop, j after consonant means palatized.
Y is j, fv is stiff voiced v, mn is velar nasal, th/dh are dental stops, doubled is non sibilant fricatives, tdh is voiceless dental affricate, sh as in English same with ng
Macrons on vowels mean they are long, acute and grave stand for retracted and advanced vowels, breve for extra long vowels, circumflex for mid centralized, umlaut for voiceless vowels
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<a e ѳ i y o u> /a e ø i y o u/
<p b t д d k г g> /p b t tʼ d k kʼ g/
<m n ɴ̆ ɴ> /m n ɲ ŋ/
<ѱ c ц ч ҵ ξ ѯ> /ps ts tsʼ tʃ tʃʼ ks ksʼ/
<f w s z σ~ϛ ж x q h> /f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
<ρ r> /r ʀ/

<δ ð> have merged with <d>, <ҳ> has merged with <x> and <и й> have merged with <i>.

a æ b d e f g i k l ł m n ŋ o ø p r ʀ s t ŧ u y

The capital of <r> is <R>, and the capital of <ʀ> is <Ʀ>.

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‹α β ββ γ γγ δ δδ ζ η ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ω›
/a b b͡v ɡ ɡ͡ɣ d d͡z t͡s e͡i i/j~ʲ k l m n k͡x o p r s t u/w~ʷ p͡f χ o͡u/

m n
p b t d k ɡ
p͡f b͡v t͡s d͡z k͡x ɡ͡ɣ
s χ
r
l j w
i u
o
a
e͡i o͡u

Hmm, no /e/. :/

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/pfroto madagi dzarei ba wikxtando χwana tsaχnago jalasmokxo pisabou gawi, takxkwamisko eikxiti ba walou koragi dwa logɣo/

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I have an alphabet after all. Here's a challenge. What will you do with the apostrophes and the weird consonant combinations? Can you make sense of the phoneme inventory and the lack of some common letters, such as K or S?

Ǝi''idžhǝ
' Aa Ǎǎ Bb Cc Čč DZDzdz DŽDždž Ee Ǝǝ Gg Hh Ɩɩ Ii Jj Ɉɉ Ll Mm n* Oo p* Qq Rr Šš y* Zz Žž
*Uncommon letter only found word-finally.

Although the alphabet has two digraphs that count as letters in their own, it doesn't mean that you can't create more digraphs based on the sample text. Unfortunately this font doesn't distinguish between the upper cases of ɩ and i, but they are two separate letters, distinguished in other fonts. Maybe you can work out a conreason for why these don't letters don't necessarily need to be distinguished in the upper case.

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Ǝi''idžhǝ ɘiʕʼɪɮɘ
' Aa Ǎǎ Bb Cc Čč DZDzdz DŽDždž Ee Ǝǝ Gg Hh Ɩɩ Ii Jj Ɉɉ Ll Mm n* Oo p* Qq Rr Šš y* Zz Žž
Ch is either aspiration or lateralisation
Reversed e is the same as in IPA.
ʕ/Cʼ a æ b ʦ ʧ d ʈ e ɘ g h ʉ͓̆ i/ɪ/ʉi j ʫ l m ɴ o pɸ q ʛ s ɧ z k
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Birdlang wrote:a ä e ë g i ï k l ł o ö ø œ q u ü z a̤ e̤ o̤ i̤ ṳ ȧ u̇ ȯ ė ı ɜ ƨ
<a e ı o u> /a e i o u/
<k g q> as in IPA
<l ł> /l ʟ/
<z ɜ> /s~z ʃ~ʒ/
<a ȧ ä a̤> /a˩ a˥ a˩˥ a˥˩/; same pattern for other vowels

<ƨ> has fallen silent and <ø œ> have merged with <e>.
StrangerCoug wrote:a æ b d e f g i k l ł m n ŋ o ø p r ʀ s t ŧ u y

The capital of <r> is <R>, and the capital of <ʀ> is <Ʀ>.

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/p~b t~d ʈ~ɖ k~g/ <p t ŧ k>
/b~β d~ɾ ɖ~ɻ g~∅/ <b d r g>
/f s x/ <f s ʀ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/l j w/ <l i ł>
/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø o/ <e ø o>
/æ ɑ/ <æ a> (They neutralize to /a/ next to a high vowel)

Ŧæ ʀo bøłdain fy sapie daiat.
/ʈæ xo bøldajn fy sɑpje dajat/
Rola dæʀ ipør fygieŋ badla su.
/ɖolɑ dæx ipøɖ fyjen bɑdlɑ su/

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a an b d e en i in j k kö l ll m n g gö o on s t u un v y ë ën z

Köan debi gaymama vikon divta jebbin. Negka svollën bayaj göevkaggaz.
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a an b d e en i in j k kö l ll m n g gö o on s t u un v y ë ën z
/b t d k kʷ g gʷ/ <b t d k kö g gö>
/m n/ <m n>
/f θ s/ <v z s>
/j̟ j̠ l̟ l̠/ <y j l ll>

/a ɛ i ɔ u ɜ/ <a e i o u ë>
/ã ɛ̃ ĩ ɔ̃ ũ ɜ̃/ <an en in on un ën>

/kʷã dɛbi ɡaj̟mama fikɔ̃ difta j̠ɛbbĩ. nɛgka sfɔl̠ɜ̃ baj̟aj̠ gʷɛfkaggaθ/
Köan debi gaymama vikon divta jebbin. Negka svollën bayaj göevkaggaz.

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a a̱ b d e e̱ f g h i i̱ k l m n o o̱ s t u u̱ w y

Ya̱ye̱ wa̱nna̱na̱ nin moni̱n yi̱nhunlu̠ fo̱de̱ bo̱nnu̠nki le̱wi̱ta wiy.

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a a̱ b d e e̱ f g h i i̱ k l m n o o̱ s t u u̱ w y all letters as in IPA, underline indicates voiceless vowel
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a ae auw c e ee euw h i ie iuw o oe ouw q u ue uuw z
/t k/ <c q>
/s h/ <z h>
/j ʋ/ <i u>
/a æ aɔ̯ ɔ ɜ ɜɔ̯ ʉ ʉɔ̯ i ɪɔ̯ ë ɛ ɛɔ̯/ <a ae auw o oe ouw u ue uuw ie iuw e ee euw>

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/b~m~v/ <b>
/t~n~ð~d/ <t>
/k~ŋ~ɣ~g/ <k>
/ʔ h/ <' h>
/w j/ <w y>
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>

/h/ nasalises adjacent vowels, which in their turn nasalise adjactent stops.
Phonetically oral stops are lenited to voiced stops after phonetically nasal consonants, and to voiced fricatives intervocalically.

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a b bh d dh e ē g gh ǵ ǵh h i j k ḱ l m n o ō p q r s t u w x

Gurhē xowis kusjo ulnex ne est, heḱons speḱet, hoinom ghe gurxum woǵhom uweǵhontam, hoinomku meǵeqam bhorom, hoinomku ǵhemenam xōḱu bhérontam.

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a b bh d dh e ē g gh ǵ ǵh h i j k ḱ l m n o ō p q r s t u w x

/p b b̤ t d d̤ c ɟ ɟ̤ k ɡ ɡ̤ ʔ/ <p b bh t d dh ḱ ǵ ǵh k g gh x>
/s ʁ h/ <s q h>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i u/ <j w>

/a e eː i u o oː/ <a e ē i u o ō>

When /i u/ are pronounced /j w/, they are written <j w>

/ɡuɾheː ʔouis kusio ulneʔ ne est, hecons specet, hoinom ɡ̤e guɾʔum uoɟ̤om uueɟ̤ontam, hoinomku meɟeʁam b̤oɾom, hoinomku ɟ̤emenam ʔoːcu b̤erontam/
Gurhē xowis kusjo ulnex ne est, heḱons speḱet, hoinom ghe gurxum woǵhom uweǵhontam, hoinomku meǵeqam bhorom, hoinomku ǵhemenam xōḱu bhérontam.

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a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o q t u w

Camajac eu Anut uqa ijan “Cahineg” qon. Tu eu ijan “Witic” qon. Odocob witic mimei cojagen. Eu deel matu.

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a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o q t u w
a b ʔ d e f gʲ h i ɣʲ kʲ l~ɽ m n o ŋʲ t u ɰʲ
Camajac eu Anut uqa ijan “Cahineg” qon. Tu eu ijan “Witic” qon. Odocob witic mimei cojagen. Eu deel matu.
ʔamaɣʲaʔ eu anut uŋʲa iɣʲan ʔahinegʲ ŋʲon. tu eu iɣʲan ɰʲitiʔ ŋʲon. odoʔob ɰʲitiʔ mimei ʔoɣʲagen. eu deeɽ matu.
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/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ ʨ ʨʰ ʔ/ <p ph t th k kh c ch '>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/s z ɣ h/ <s z ɣ h>
/w ɻ j Ṽ/ <w r y Vñ>
/ɑ ɑ́ ɑ̀ a á à e é è ɛ ɛ́ ɛ̀ ʌ ʌ́ ʌ̀ i í ì o ó ò ɵ ɵ́ ɵ̀ u ú ù ə ə́ ə̀/<a á à ae aé aè e é è ä â ã äo äó äò i í ì o ó ò ö ô õ u ú ù ü û ũ>
/ká ʨʰʌ ʨə́ tə ʌ̀ kɛ̀ hɵ́ ɻú nì nə jè kẽ́ hʌ̃ e ɻù kʰí i nɑ jo/
Kaé chäo cû tü äò kã hô rú nì nü yè kéñ häoñ e rù khí i na yo.

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a b d e f g h i k l m n ng o p ɋ r s t u w y z

Yesus awagamun dimunta Matyu mar tonta kab Yesus in ago kabiy alulin emim le in wol eman moɋim in eraɋim ago walmataw gihulosad Heven-ib Amam ago hib tugwalahta na awagamun bunmo Matyu ago wagam kab giɋus bugaɋta. Matyu in Juda on mataw Yesus anan helmo haɋiyta na ginadin emad in wagam ka mar tonta.

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a b d e f g h i k l m n ng o p ɋ r s t u w y z
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f s ʃ x χ/ <f s z h ɋ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/l ʀ/ <l r>
/j w/ <y w>
/i u/ <i u>
/ə/ <a>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>

Yesus awagamun dimunta Matyu mar tonta kab Yesus in ago kabiy alulin emim le in wol eman moɋim in eraɋim ago walmataw gihulosad Heven-ib Amam ago hib tugwalahta na awagamun bunmo Matyu ago wagam kab giɋus bugaɋta. Matyu in Juda on mataw Yesus anan helmo haɋiyta na ginadin emad in wagam ka mar tonta.

/jɛsus əwəgəmun dimuntə mətju məʀ tɔntə kəb jɛsus in əgɔ kəbij əlulin ɛmim lɛ in wɔl ɛmən mɔχim in ɛʀəχim əgɔ wəlmətəw gixulɔsəd xɛvɛn-ib əməm əgɔ xib tugwələxtə nə əwəgəmun bunmɔ mətju əgɔ wəgəm kəb giχus bugəχtə. mətju in judə ɔn mətəw jɛsus ənən xɛlmɔ xəχijtə nə ginədin ɛməd in wəgəm kə məʀ tɔntə./

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a b c ch d dx e g gu h i j l m n ng o p qu r s t u x xh y z ' (acute)

TI GUIICHI

Ti guiichi na’zi’ ndaani’ beela
ngayuuba’
Nuaa guxale’ guidubinaca guidilade’
ti gusaanani cheri’
xha’na’ yu di’
yu ni niclii xidxaa guisu
ra ga’chi’ xquipe’
layú ni naaze doo xquendanabane’
layú ni cubayu doo yane’
ti guibigueta’ ne guie’
cuaque’ lu mexa bido
ne chiniá ra xpa’ ca gue’tu’ stine’
Xisi ti guiichi daabi dxiichi’
ndaan’i beela nga yuuba’

Ziniá laa neca guinaa
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opipik
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a b c ch d dx e g gu h i j l m n ng o p qu r s t u x xh y z ' (acute)


/p b t d ʧ ʤ k ɡ ʔ/ <p b t d ch dx c~qu g~gu '>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/s z ʃ ʃʰ x h/ <s x xh j h>
/r l j/ <r l y>

/a aˤ e eˤ i iˤ o oˤ u uˤ/ <a á e é i í o ó u ú>
/Vː/ <VV>

Ti guiichi na’zi’ ndaani’ beela ngayuuba’; Nuaa guxale’ guidubinaca guidilade’ ti gusaanani cheri’; xha’na’ yu di’; yu ni niclii xidxaa guisu;

/ti giːʧi naʔziʔ ndaːniʔ beːla ŋajuːbaʔ, nuaː guʃaleʔ gidubinaka gidiladeʔ ti gusaːnani ʧeriʔ, ʃʰaʔnaʔ ju diʔ, ju ni nikliː ʃiʤaa gisu.../

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opipik wrote:a ä c c̈h ch d e ë g i j l m n ñ o ø p qu r s s̈h sh t u x y
I need a sample text to determine whether y is a vowel or a consonant.
My version of the SCA²

About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.

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