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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:59 pm 
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Here's one: p t c k ph th ch kh s sh b d j g bh dh jh gh z zh v r y w a aa e o i ii u uu


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:33 pm 
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Birdlang wrote:
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every english letter is pronounced randomly

This isn't how the game works, you know.

It's his version of sarcasm. Just ignore him.

Why are you people mean to people who have been conlanging for 10 years!!!

You predominantly post huge phonologies with obtuse Romanizations and nothing else, which simply aren't that interesting to many people. What's interesting is allophony, diachronic phonology, and morphophonology. Or leaving phonology altogether and getting into the more interesting parts of the grammar. What's the alignment, do certain verbs take agents marked as obliques, to what grammatical categories does it assign the different arguments of a ditransitive verb, and what happens when you make a causative of a transitive (if it's even possible, and does it use the same causative as intransitives)? Does it use adpositions, or affixes on a verb, or an extensive case system, or intransitive verbs in serialization, or relational nouns, or several of those?

So far, you've done little to prove to others you know what you're doing and not just throwing a dart at the IPA and seeing what happens. Which is pretty much how you start conlanging, and that's fine, but people here will get sick of it quickly, and when people have asked for deeper stuff you've ignored them or gotten offended. For this thread in particular, it might be helpful to consider the saying "a piece of writing [or in this case, orthography] isn't done when you can't add any more, it's done when you can't cut any more." That's not to say everything should have 8 graphemes, but that most of them should be fairly well thought-through and not just a hodgepodge of extended Latin letters, or people are going to get tired of it reaallly quickly. Especially given how often you've been posting new orthographies.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:26 pm 
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I wrote a sermon on this topic you might appreciate.

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And another.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:13 pm 
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Here's another couple of tips that will help you not tick off the community as much: don't make four posts in a row if you can help it (better to consolidate them into one post if you can, if you double/triple/quadra-post a long post for god's sake delete its content, and if you're quoting a long post just to make a comment or two on it, well, don't, and if you do, replace (most of) the content with a ~snip~ or suchlike.

Do these three things, and you will stop appearing to spam up the board so much.

Also, stop expecting people to do your romanizations, or to do any romanizations sequentially, or to only romanize something once. We romanize what we want, when we want, here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:55 am 
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I think you are all trying to be mean, and people who aren't nice to me don't know that they are being mean.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:51 pm 
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Wow, egocentric much.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:52 pm 
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So wait, are people trying to be mean or are they unwittingly so? Because those are kind of mutually exclusive.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:34 pm 
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Birdlang, you've been given some useful advice on this page. That's not mean, that's helpful. I'll add some more: don't dominate the discussion; don't be whiny; don't try to mess up a thread intended for people to have fun.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:20 pm 
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KathAveara wrote:
Here's one: p t c k ph th ch kh s sh b d j g bh dh jh gh z zh v r y w a aa e o i ii u uu


<p b t d c j k g> /pʰ p tʰ t ʈʰ ʈ qʰ q/
<ph bh th dh ch jh kh gh>
<v s z sh zh> /β s z/
<r w> /ɾ ɰ/

<i ii y u uu> /i i ̥ y u u ̥/ (unvoiced vowels)
<e o> /ɛ ɔ/
<a aa> /a a ̥/

<h> following <p b t d c j k g s z> indicates the following vowel as being nasal.

Next: a d g j o p r t y 1 2 4 8

O4pjo1y4ta4 a4o1 a8pa2a1 da1do2 ya2 a4? A1 a1jy1pda1p a1ya1d yo2a2j da4a1o1y4 ya2y1. A2o4y a2o2 pa1y2o2 o4ty2a1ya4p yo2y4yr8y o1pr2.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:28 am 
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That did not go the way I thought it would.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:04 am 
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Next: a d g j o p r t y 1 2 4 8
a d g Z o p r/@ t j/1 H M L F
O4pjo1y4ta4 a4o1 a8pa2a1 da1do2 ya2 a4? A1 a1jy1pda1p a1ya1d yo2a2j da4a1o1y4 ya2y1. A2o4y a2o2 pa1y2o2 o4ty2a1ya4p yo2y4yr8y o1pr2.
o_L.pZo_H.1_L.ta_L a_L.o_H a_F.pa_M.a_L da_H.do_M ja_M a_L? a_H a_H.Z1_H.pdap_H a_H.jad_H jo_M.aZ_M da_L.a_H.o_H.1_L ja_M.1_H. a_M.oj_L a_M.o_M pa_H.1_M.o_M o_L.t1_M.a_H.jap_L jo_M.1_L.j@j_F o_H.p@_M
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a á à b d e è é g i ì í j o ò ó u ù ú v z '
'Aádìíìguujoo jiijii
Vowels can be doubled or tripled and the diacritics can be combined.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:05 am 
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zompist wrote:
Birdlang, you've been given some useful advice on this page. That's not mean, that's helpful. I'll add some more: don't dominate the discussion; don't be whiny; don't try to mess up a thread intended for people to have fun.

Thank you zompist! I can't believe I messed up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:19 pm 
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Birdlang wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:
KathAveara wrote:
Birdlang wrote:
every english letter is pronounced randomly

This isn't how the game works, you know.

It's his version of sarcasm. Just ignore him.

Why are you people mean to people who have been conlanging for 10 years!!!

I've been conlanging for 13-14 years. Does it imply anything?

(Other than that I am being boastful.)

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a á à b d e è é g i ì í j o ò ó u ù ú v z '

'Aádìíìguujoo jiijii
Vowels can be doubled or tripled and the diacritics can be combined.

Diacritics can be combined? Like into what?

<a e i o u> /a əɪ i əʊ u/
<b d g j v z '> /m~mb n~nd ŋ~ŋɡ x w θ~s h/
<à è á é â ê> /ʔa ʔəɪ a̰ əɪ̰ ʔa̰ ʔəɪ̰/
<a aa aaa e ee eee> /a a: əa: əɪ ə: ə:ɪ:/

All vowels of the same syllable have the same diacritic. Mergers:
àá = ââ
àáá = âââ

aá = áá

'Aádìíìguujoo jiijii
ha̰:nʔḭ:ʔiŋu:xəʊ: xi:xi:

Looks like something vaguely dragged out of Amazonia.

Next:

<p ps b bs t ts d ds c cs j js k ks g gs>
<np nb nt nd nk ng>
<f v s h>
<r rr l ll y yy>

<a à e è i ì o ò u ù>
<òa èa ia ìa ua ùa èu èi ìu ìi>

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:47 pm 
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<p ps b bs t ts d ds c cs j js k ks g gs> p p' b ɓ t t' d ɗ c c' ɟ ʄ k k' g ɠ
<np nb nt nd nk ng> mp mb nt nd nk ng
<f v s h> f v s h
<r rr l ll y yy> r ɽ͝r l ɺ͝ɺ̼ j j̃

<a à e è i ì o ò u ù> a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː
<òa èa ia ìa ua ùa èu èi ìu ìi> wa ja ia ea ua oa ew ej ju ji

Dsereg! Àbèus jankayets, fe mèan mùr ab Nbargor ès aps-adìank. Fòarral, bes hirèutor bsìins ètette aps-gsìunde ɗereg aːbews ɟankajet' fe mjan muːrab mbargar eːs ap' adeank foː aɽ͝ral bes hirewtorbsjins eːtette aps g'junde
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a b c ch e g i j o m q r u t v w x y z ' aa ee ii oo uu ah eh ih oh uh av ev iv ov uv aav eev iiv oov uuv aah eeh iih ooh uuh aaq eeq iiq ooq uuq aq eq iq oq uq
Aijuooqjuooq naavnaav haaxaacaavcaav cheenee nachii av'iiniinyaarooh naahooshoo nuunuu vuuvnuuv kaavkaav

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:10 pm 
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/b t k~g q ʔ/ <b t k~g q '>
/ts tʃ dʒ/ <c ch j>
/v s z ʃ h/ <v s z x h>
/m r j w/ <m r y w>

/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
/a: e: i: o: u:/ <aa ee ii oo uu>
/a̤ e̤ i̤ o̤ ṳ/ <ah eh ih oh uh>
/a̤: e̤: i̤: o̤: ṳ:/ <aah eeh iih ooh uuh>
/a̰ ḛ ḭ o̰ ṵ/ <av ev iv ov uv>
/a̰: ḛ: ḭ: o̰: ṵ:/ <aav eev iiv oov uuv>
<Vq> is just /Vq/

Aijuooqjuooq naavnaav haaxaacaavcaav cheenee nachii av'iiniinyaarooh naahooshoo nuunuu vuuvnuuv kaavkaav.

/aidʒuo:qdʒuo:q na̰:na̰: ha:ʃa:tsa̰:tsa̰: tʃe:ne: natʃi: a̰ʔi:ni:nja:ro̤: na:ho:sho: nu:nu: vṵ:nṵ: ka̰:ka̰:/

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a á b c d e é g h i í k l m n o ó s t x y z '

áxi'ikbál neyme bobgól lí'cdad sax a'á kokgrázle

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:59 pm 
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Nannalu wrote:
a á b c d e é g h i í k l m n o ó s t x y z '

áxi'ikbál neyme bobgól lí'cdad sax a'á kokgrázle

‹m n› /m n/
‹b d› /ɓ ɗ/ They lenite in the coda to [w ɹ]
‹g› /ŋ ɣ/ They are primarily in complimentary distribution, with [ŋ] in the onset and [ɣ] in the coda. /ɣ/ in the onset occurs in a few loans from nearby languages and as a result of syllable loss, where intervocal -ɣj- becomes the onset ɣ-. Onset /ɣ/ is sometimes spelled ‹gr›.
‹t c k '› /t ts k ʔ/
‹s x h› /s ʃ h/
‹z› /z/ Uncommon, primarily occurs in morphological alternations with /j/.
‹l y› /l j/

‹a i o› /a i ɤ/ /ɤ/ is generally unrounded except adjacent to /ɓ/
‹e› [e] is a fronted allophone of /ɤ/ occurring after a coronal. All subsequent instances of /ɤ/ in the word are pronounced this way as well, blocked by /ɓ k ŋ ɣ/.
‹á í ó é› are long

Syllable structure is (C)(j)V(C)(C)
Stress is on the leftrightmost long vowel, or on the penult. Productive rules delete an immediately-pretonic short vowel, provided no illegal clusters are formed, e.g. CVCV'C(j)V́ > CVC'C(j)V́.

áxi'ikbál neyme bobgól lí'cdad sax a'á kokgrázle
[a:ʃiʔik'ɓa:l 'nejme ɓow'ŋɤ:l 'li:ʔtsɗaɹ saʃ (a)'ʔa: kɤk'ɣa:zle]
/a:ʃiʔikaɓa:l nɤjmɤ ɓɤɓiŋɤ:l li:ʔtsɗaɗ saʃ aʔa: kɤkaɣja:zlɤ/

EDIT: Don't know left from right :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:18 pm 
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Since you didn't post a new challenge
I will do one
a ae b bb c cc d dd e ea f ff g gg h hh hv vh i iu io j jj k kk l hl m n ng ny o oa pp q qq rr ar aer er ear ir iur ior or oar ur uer rr s ss t tt u ue v vv w x xx y yh z zz zh dh ch th lh mh nh ngh nyh sh
-x -v -l -p -q -
A constructed Chinese minority language in an alternate earth which is from a family with a lot of consonant clusters called Jyujyuic and this language is Jyujyu.
An apostrophe makes a letter seperate from a letter or digraph that looks the same.
Jjaxbbu nynyqqjjux'xxax'xxax xxvvxxvvxxvvipnaxzzip zzjjizzjjzzjjizzjjnilnil p'ppip jjzzjjzzqqiq qqggwev'vvshthepzhdhiur kkukkukkukkukkukkup jjubbyukabbyuka hhihhihhi hviv'vhnyix'xxmhnyheap.

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Herr Dunkel wrote:
Quote:
a á à b d e è é g i ì í j o ò ó u ù ú v z '

'Aádìíìguujoo jiijii
Vowels can be doubled or tripled and the diacritics can be combined.

Diacritics can be combined? Like into what?

<a e i o u> /a əɪ i əʊ u/
<b d g j v z '> /m~mb n~nd ŋ~ŋɡ x w θ~s h/
<à è á é â ê> /ʔa ʔəɪ a̰ əɪ̰ ʔa̰ ʔəɪ̰/
<a aa aaa e ee eee> /a a: əa: əɪ ə: ə:ɪ:/

All vowels of the same syllable have the same diacritic. Mergers:
àá = ââ
àáá = âââ

aá = áá

'Aádìíìguujoo jiijii
ha̰:nʔḭ:ʔiŋu:xəʊ: xi:xi:

Looks like something vaguely dragged out of Amazonia.

Next:

<p ps b bs t ts d ds c cs j js k ks g gs>
<np nb nt nd nk ng>
<f v s h>
<r rr l ll y yy>

<a à e è i ì o ò u ù>
<òa èa ia ìa ua ùa èu èi ìu ìi>

Dsereg! Àbèus jankayets, fe mèan mùr ab Nbargor ès aps-adìank. Fòarral, bes hirèutor bsìins ètette aps-gsìunde!

How did you know it was a Piraha-like project.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Birdlang wrote:
Jjaxbbu nynyqqjjux'xxax'xxax xxvvxxvvxxvvipnaxzzip zzjjizzjjzzjjizzjjnilnil p'ppip jjzzjjzzqqiq qqggwev'vvshthepzhdhiur kkukkukkukkukkukkup jjubbyukabbyuka hhihhihhi hviv'vhnyix'xxmhnyheap.
You can't be serious. Every word is basically the same digraph and vowel repeated five times. Birdlang, this is why people are getting annoyed...

Edit: Ok, maybe a nicer way to say that would be "Try to add more variety to your words."


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:28 pm 
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OK
a b c ç d dz e ë f ǧ g h i î j k l m n ñ ng o ö q r s ṭ t u ü v w x ÿ y ž z
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:38 pm 
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/t ʈ k q~ʔ/ <t ṭ k q>
/m n~ɳ ɲ~ɳ ŋ/ <m n ñ ng>
/ts dz/ <c dz>
/f v s z ç x χ h/ <f v s z ç g j h>
/β ð ɹ~ɻ r l w ɰ/ <b d ž r l g w>
/j/ <i>

/u o a ɐ ə ɨ ø e y i/ <u o a ë y ÿ ö e ü i~î> (<î> when a separate vowel as opposed to a glide)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:15 am 
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Dezinaa wrote:
Birdlang wrote:
Jjaxbbu nynyqqjjux'xxax'xxax xxvvxxvvxxvvipnaxzzip zzjjizzjjzzjjizzjjnilnil p'ppip jjzzjjzzqqiq qqggwev'vvshthepzhdhiur kkukkukkukkukkukkup jjubbyukabbyuka hhihhihhi hviv'vhnyix'xxmhnyheap.
You can't be serious. Every word is basically the same digraph and vowel repeated five times. Birdlang, this is why people are getting annoyed...

Edit: Ok, maybe a nicer way to say that would be "Try to add more variety to your words."

hhihhihhi

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:16 am 
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Pogostick Man, what about a new romanization?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:33 am 
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I will give you one.

Aa Λʌ Ee Əə Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Øø Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Xx Yy ‘ ‘Ħ‘ħ

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Pʌguləm nuokʌ nai ‘Ħorəpə ‘ala. Si kitim vʌu le fetylat, no teke, no naile, sai saytylø si tiexim.

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