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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:00 pm
by Pogostick Man
/p t k ʔ/ <p t k x>
/m n~ŋ/ <m n>
/ɸ s x ħ h/ <f s g ‘ħ h>
/w l ɹ j ʕ/ <v l r j ‘>

/u o a ɐ ə ɨ e ø~y i/ <u o a ʌ ə y e ø i>

Pʌguləm nuokʌ nai ‘Ħorəpə ‘ala. Si kitim vʌu le fetylat, no teke, no naile, sai saytylø si tiexim.
/pɐxuləm nuokɐ nai ħorəpə ʕala ‖ si kitim wɐu le fetɨlat | no teke | no naile | sai saɨtɨly si tieʔim/

Next: a å b c d e f g i l ł m n o p r s sz t u z zs

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:19 am
by Birdlang
Next: a å b c d e f g i l ł m n o p r s sz t u z zs
a ɒ b ʫ d e f g i l ɮ m n o p r s ʃ t u z ʒ 
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a ā b č c d ē e f ǧ g h i ī j k l ƚ ɫ ɬ m ń n ñ ō o p q r s ṭ t u ū v w x y ȳ ž z ă ĭ ŭ dt bp gk ḥ
ăAnīm kūĭū ŭinstīnī kūlū. Ɫōɫšmidt kūdtūbpīgkāḥārī. Aḥārī mūńñākūda Ńimrōdel.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:14 pm
by Benturi
finlay wrote:i might as well submit mine:

Yaufulti
a e i u f g k l n p t s y z

Nuputiseutiputetuu naigul luputinaite. Tuntuuzale sutuupun nankusazi sintasiunante. Kezeze sinlaitetuu yalgusetapete. Sinpuukiusinaseutite.
Yeah i wanna see what more than one person thinks my conlang would sound like.
a e i u f g k l n p t s y z

Well, let’s see. If one assumes their IPA values, <g> and <z> stand out as the only voiced stop and fricative respectively. So maybe they're /ŋ/ and /t͡s/, as Yaali Annar suggested. Also, the sample and the conlang's name suggest that <y> is /j/. At first I would also think that a double vowel indicates a long vowel, but I find it suspicious that the only doubled vowel in the sample is <uu>, which appears five times in such a short sample. Could <uu> be a digraph? Could it indicate /ɯ/? In this case, <eu> could also be a digraph with the value of /ə/ or /ɤ/ (I wouldn’t use <eu> for /o/ is <o> is available. Well, I wouldn’t use a digraph for /ə/ or /ɤ/ if <o> is available).

/n ŋ/ <n g>
|ɴ| (nasal archiphoneme before consonant) <n>
/p t t͡s k/ <p t z k>
/ɸ s/ <f s> (dunno, I just have a gut feeling that it's /ɸ/ and not /f/)
/l j/ <l y ~ i>
/a e i ə ɯ u/ <a e i eu uu u>
Diphthongs /ai au/ <ai au>

/nuputisətiputetɯ naiŋul luputinaite tuɴtɯt͡sale sutɯpuɴ naɴkusat͡si siɴtasjunaɴte ket͡set͡se siɴlaitətɯ jalŋusetapete siɴpɯkjusinasətite/

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:40 pm
by Bristel
Aa Λʌ Ee Əə Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Øø Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Xx Yy ‘ ‘Ħ‘ħ

Pʌguləm nuokʌ nai ‘Ħorəpə ‘ala. Si kitim vʌu le fetylat, no teke, no naile, sai saytylø si tiexim.
[pæɣuləm nwokæ nai ʕorəbə ʔala || si kitim væw le fetylat | no teke | no naile | sai saytylø si tiexim]

/p b t d k g ʔ/
/f v s z x ɣ ʕ/
/m n/
/r l w j/
/a æ e ə i o ø u y/

Make a phonology for this:

Nem beroeith nerívághal rentó machont doiné. Doiné beroeith n’en mathí cid talí neví. Orgí.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:23 pm
by salem
A little unorthodox in your presentation, but:

Nem beroeith nerívághal rentó machont doiné. Doiné beroeith n’en mathí cid talí neví. Orgí.
/nœ̞̃ː bɛˈʁɔɪ̯ːθ̠ nɛʁiˈvæːʁɐw ʁæ̃ˈtoː mɐˈXɔ̃ːt dœ̞̃ŋˈeː ‖ dœ̞̃ŋˈeː bɛˈʁɔɪ̯ːθ̠ nɛ̃ː mɐˈθ̠iː kɪːd tɐˈliː nɛˈviː ‖ ɔʁgiː/

You can guess the phonological processes at work there I guess?

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:55 pm
by finlay
Benturi wrote:
finlay wrote:i might as well submit mine:

Yaufulti
a e i u f g k l n p t s y z

Nuputiseutiputetuu naigul luputinaite. Tuntuuzale sutuupun nankusazi sintasiunante. Kezeze sinlaitetuu yalgusetapete. Sinpuukiusinaseutite.
Yeah i wanna see what more than one person thinks my conlang would sound like.
a e i u f g k l n p t s y z

Well, let’s see. If one assumes their IPA values, <g> and <z> stand out as the only voiced stop and fricative respectively. So maybe they're /ŋ/ and /t͡s/, as Yaali Annar suggested. Also, the sample and the conlang's name suggest that <y> is /j/. At first I would also think that a double vowel indicates a long vowel, but I find it suspicious that the only doubled vowel in the sample is <uu>, which appears five times in such a short sample. Could <uu> be a digraph? Could it indicate /ɯ/? In this case, <eu> could also be a digraph with the value of /ə/ or /ɤ/ (I wouldn’t use <eu> for /o/ is <o> is available. Well, I wouldn’t use a digraph for /ə/ or /ɤ/ if <o> is available).

/n ŋ/ <n g>
|ɴ| (nasal archiphoneme before consonant) <n>
/p t t͡s k/ <p t z k>
/ɸ s/ <f s> (dunno, I just have a gut feeling that it's /ɸ/ and not /f/)
/l j/ <l y ~ i>
/a e i ə ɯ u/ <a e i eu uu u>
Diphthongs /ai au/ <ai au>

/nuputisətiputetɯ naiŋul luputinaite tuɴtɯt͡sale sutɯpuɴ naɴkusat͡si siɴtasjunaɴte ket͡set͡se siɴlaitətɯ jalŋusetapete siɴpɯkjusinasətite/
Yeah, the sample isn't exactly representative, but I don't actually have that many samples saved. I hadn't noticed before that uu was more common than ii, but both are possible. I mean, this doesn't even contain all the consonants – no "f".

Here's another one; the only problem is it's an old version of the language:
Zekepu nupele tenuyelyanutuu fuituifiisu tenuzufufuite.
(By which I mean in the newer version I stopped using the nominative and accusative suffixes -pu and -su)

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:46 am
by Pogostick Man
Zekepu nupele tenuyelyanutuu fuituifiisu tenuzufufuite.
/tsekepu nupele tenaɪeljanutoʊ foɪtoɪfeɪsu tenutsufufoɪte/
[dzɛˈkebə nʊˈpelə dɛnɐɪ̯eljɛˈnudəʊ̯ voɪ̯doɪ̯ˈfeɪ̯zə dɛnʊdsʊvʊˈfoɪ̯də]

Next: a ã b c ch ç d e g h i j l ł m n o p r s ş t u v ṽ x z ƶ

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:50 am
by Benturi
Pogostick Man wrote:Next: a ã b c ch ç d e g h i j l ł m n o p r s ş t u v ṽ x z ƶ
Is <ch> the only digraph? The absence of <k> suggests that <c> = /k/, so:

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d ts dz tʃ dʒ k g/ <p b t d x z ç ƶ k g>
/s ʃ x h/ <s ş ch h>
/ʁ/ <r>
/j l ʎ/ <j l ł>
/a e ə i o u ã ə̃/ <a e v i o u ã ṽ> (or /ə ə̃ e o aː ãː iː uː/ <v ṽ e o a ã i u>)

or:
/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d ts dz tʃ dʒ k g/ <p b t d x z ç ƶ k g>
/s ʃ x/ <s ş ch>
/ɣ/ <h>
/v ṽ ɾ̃ j l ʎ/ <v ṽ r j l ł> (/ṽ ɾ̃/ come from –phonemicized?– lenited /m n/)
/a e i o u ã/ <a e i o u ã>

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:15 am
by Birdlang
I'll give a new romanization for the game because Benturi didn't give one
a b c ꞓ d đ e f g ꞡ h ħ i j ꝯ k l ⱡ m n ꞥ ꝏ o p q ꝙ r ɍ s ș ŧ t u v w x y z ƶ ꞩ vh kh qh sh wh bh dh gh ph th kh ch zh ' & ng ty ry dy sy zy cy
Box like characters in order
c with bar g with oblique stroke con (nine-like letter) n with oblique stroke double-o ligature q with diagonal stroke s with oblique stroke.
There are macrons, umlaut, and circumflex (combination of macron and umlaut).
Êllō, ïzkîk īdīnz zprāvhvhakh chzhaāēïn. &Alāt trilīngngī ngiq tyülû. Îtcīîn ngwīēng.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:36 pm
by Birdlang
OK, I will post a language
a ạ b ḅ c ċ d ḋ ḍ ḃ ȧ e ė ẹ f ḟ g ġ h ḣ ḥ i ị j k ḳ l ḷ m ṁ ṃ n ṅ ṇ o ȯ ọ p ṗ r ṙ s ṣ ṡ ṩ t ṫ ṭ u ụ v ṿ w ẇ ẉ x ẋ y ẏ ỵ z ẓ ż ƛ

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:03 pm
by Buran
If you want people to actually play your game, you have to stop with the diacritic spam. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a lot of diacritics, but for every post? Try something which can be interpreted broadly. E.g.

a b d dd e g h i ij j k l ll m n nn o p r s ss t tt u w wj

For purposes of collation, each digraph is counted as a single letter.

Kennapijl swj gons w ttarag bah ijs essan gahas ddan opelak dw ger pilw? Rattij, onnora kad banij swl hana ttan.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:01 pm
by KathTheDragon
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/θ ð s z ɬ~ɮ h/ <tt dd ss s ll h>
/r l/ <r l>
/m n ŋ/ <m n nn>

/i i: ʉ u u:/ <i ij u w wj>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>

Kennapijl swj gons w ttarag bah ijs essan gahas ddan opelak dw ger pilw? Rattij, onnora kad banij swl hana ttan.
/keŋapi:l su: gonz u θarag bah i:z esan gahaz ðan opelak du ger pilu | raθi: oŋora kad bani: zul hana θan/

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a ah b c ch d g i ih j k kh l lh m mh n nh p ph r rh s sh t th u uh w wh y yh z

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:26 pm
by Birdlang
a ah b c ch d g i ih j k kh l lh m mh n nh p ph r rh s sh t th u uh w wh y yh z
a aː b c ɟ d g i iː j k k! l q!ʼ m æ ɫ ɚ p f r ʀ s ʂ͎ t ʡʼː u uː ɵ ɵː ɘ ɘː ʁʷˤˡˠˣʰʱʲ
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a b ch Č C Ð D e f gh G H I j J k Ł L l ł m ń Ń n N ö Ö ø Ø o O p q Q R r Š S t u w y z zh tlh ' rgh
rghmIjIts kI huuduum katakana jIIHHII kI.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:27 pm
by KathTheDragon
Buran wrote:If you want people to actually play your game, you have to stop with the diacritic spam. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a lot of diacritics, but for every post?
Seriously, Birdlang. There's a reason we're not doing your suggestions.
Birdlang wrote:a ah b c ch d g i ih j k kh l lh m mh n nh p ph r rh s sh t th u uh w wh y yh z
a aː b c ɟ d g i iː j k k! l q!ʼ m æ ɫ ɚ p f r ʀ s ʂ͎ t ʡʼː u uː ɵ ɵː ɘ ɘː ʁʷˤˡˠˣʰʱʲ
Also, wtf?

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:58 pm
by ObsequiousNewt
Birdlang wrote:ʁʷˤˡˠˣʰʱʲ
Your Honor, I ask that you find this man not guilty by reason of insanity.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:45 pm
by kusuri
Birdlang wrote:a ạ b ḅ c ċ d ḋ ḍ ḃ ȧ e ė ẹ f ḟ g ġ h ḣ ḥ i ị j k ḳ l ḷ m ṁ ṃ n ṅ ṇ o ȯ ọ p ṗ r ṙ s ṣ ṡ ṩ t ṫ ṭ u ụ v ṿ w ẇ ẉ x ẋ y ẏ ỵ z ẓ ż ƛ
b ḅ ḃ p ṗ t ṫ ṭ d ḋ ḍ g ġ k ḳ
v vː b f p s sː t z zː d ʀ g h k

f ḟ c ċ h ḣ ḥ ƛ s ṣ ṡ ṩ z ẓ ż
∅ h ts tsː tɬː ʃ ʃː ps/ks psː/ksː dʒ dʒː dɮː

l ḷ m ṁ ṃ n ṅ ṇ
l lː w m mː j n nː

a ȧ ạ e ė ẹ i ị o ȯ ọ u ụ y ẏ ỵ
ə æ ɑː ɪ e eː i iː ʊ o oː u uː ʏ y yː

No example was provided so I took some liberties:

Roots, with basic forms like VCVCV, are merged to form phrases?, and stress is compounded. Vowels are unstressed, stressed (overdot), overstressed (underdot), according to some hierarchy. For reasons, i and u are never unstressed. E and o took their unstressed sounds or something.
Consonants also change when syllables are merged and clusters form; rather than being absorbed, the 'lesser' consonants soften. But these softer forms are not only allophones, soooo they get their own big boy orthographic representations.

W/e.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:33 pm
by Pogostick Man
Got a new alphabet for us?

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:22 pm
by kusuri
:oops:

m mh n nh t k ł h ti/hi thi r l j i y e u a o

Thiannan makoosaamsaky leu mheinnynkje anahiatta tithyum hionan uummułłe.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:29 pm
by salem
/m m̥f n n̥θ/ m mh n nh
/t tʃ k/ t thi k
/ɬ ʃ θ~x~h/ ł ti/hi h
/r l j/ r l j

/ɪ iː ʏ yː ʊ uː/ i ii y yy u uu
/ɛ ɛː ɐ aː ɔ ɔː/ e ee a aa o oo

Thiannan makoosaamsaky leu mheinnynkje anahiatta tithyum hionan uummułłe.
/tʃɪɐnnɐn mɐkɔːsaːmsɐkʏ lɛʊ m̥fɛɪnnʏnkjɛ ɐnɐʃɐttɐ tɪtθʏʊm ʃɔnɐn uːmmʊɬɬɛ/

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:33 pm
by Buran
Since umbriel didn't post a new romanisation, I'll provide one.

a ă b c d e g h i k l lz m n o p r s t tz u v w x y z

xTzan gu-vhu lzi-bză da. vMi-gyă-xcu vda-tza xwe, ke-vro-lyaz-vnak xgzab-er-xpo-dye tă-xhă-vmin-lu.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:11 pm
by Nortaneous
a ă b c d e g h i k l lz m n o p r s t tz u v w x y z
/a @ b c d e g h i k K K\ m n o p r s t ts u N~? w ? j z/

xTzan gu-vhu lzi-bză da. vMi-gyă-xcu vda-tza xwe, ke-vro-lyaz-vnak xgzab-er-xpo-dye tă-xhă-vmin-lu.
ʔtsɛ̃ gu.ɴhu ɮi.bzə da. ʔmi.ɟə.ʔcy nda.tsa ʔwe, ke.ndro.ʎɛʔ.naʔ ŋgzaw.e˞.mpo.dje tə.ɴhə.ʔmĩ.lu

next, Vian

a b bb c d dd e f g h i j jj k l m n o p q r s ss t u v w x y z zz
Daxtax u chip yet kunp tranp jjy. Wqp kzp fvx cyp ye ddap. Wq chix wq ket ye bbqt wq mq. Lu wq cyp kvx ma.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:00 am
by Birdlang
Vian
a b bb c d dd e f g h i j jj k l m n o p q r s ss t u v w x y z zz
a p b tsʰ t d ɤ f k x i ʨ ʥ kʰ l m n o high tone ɵ ʐ s z low tone u ə w rising-falling tone j ʦ ʣ
Daxtax u chip yet kunp tranp jjy. Wqp kzp fvx cyp ye ddap. Wq chix wq ket ye bbqt wq mq. Lu wq cyp kvx ma.
Pronounced like the above alphabet shows.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:01 am
by Birdlang
Next
a b d e g i j o u v z

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:47 am
by Porphyrogenitos
Birdlang wrote:Next
a b d e g i j o u v z
/a e i o u ə̃/ <a e i o u v>

<b d g j>
/b d d͜ʒ g/
devoice to [p t t͜ʃ k] word-initially
nasalize to [m n ɲ ŋ] before /ə̃/ <v>
devoice and nasalize to [m̥ n̥ ɲ̥ ŋ̥] word-initially and before /ə̃/ <v>

/z/ <z>
devoices to [s] word-initially
rhotacizes to [r] before /ə̃/ <v>
devoices and rhotacizes to [r̥] word-initially and before /ə̃/ <v>

(CV phonotactics)

EDIT: Oops I think I made this violate a linguistic universal by having more phonemic vowels than consonants. Oh well - here's a sample I generated:
<jizo zvbubi gabo bego jidv jujoje bvjejo zoza jugudv di buzuzaji>
[t͜ʃizo r̥ə̃bubi kabo pego t͜ʃud͜ʒod͜ʒe m̥ə̃d͜ʒed͜ʒo soza t͜ʃugunə̃ ti puzuzad͜ʒi]

Next:

p t k pp tt kk m n l ll j y s f x h hh a e i o u

EDIT 2: Here is a sample text for the next person to use:

Pattakk yoj ehha allappa xoh, mala isjutufye ki hhans tti.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:54 am
by alynnidalar
Porphyrogenitos wrote: Next:

p t k pp tt kk m n l ll j y s f x h hh a e i o u
/m n/ <m n>
/p t̪ k ʔ/ <p t k h>
/f v θ ð x ɣ h/<f pp s tt x kk hh>
/ɹ l j ɰ/ <l ll j y>

/i y ɯ u/ <i e o u> (/i u/ lower to /e o/ in closed syllables)
/a/ <a>

Syllables are C(R)V(C) (where R is any approximant /ɹ l j ɰ/)

Randomly generated sample:
Malli fllopkekox tukjamppo ttu hukonis hhji. Pukemik nufna pihhttasa tlekepp hhe kusekkippxi.
[ma.ɹi fɹɯp.ke.kɯx tok.jam.vo ðu ʔu.kɯ.neθ hji pu.ky.mek nof.na peh.ða.θa tly.kyv hy ku.θe.ɣev.xi]

...I think the phonotactics need some work, it's a bit ugly.

EDIT: Didn't see the sample that was provided! Here we go:

Pattakk yoj ehha allappa xoh, mala isjutufye ki hhans tti.
[pa.ðaɣ ɰɯj y.ha a.ɹa.va xɯʔ, ma.la is.ju.tof.ɰy ki hans ði]

[ɰɯj] looks fun!

Next: <m n mm nn a e i o u ii ie iu io p t k g q ph th kh qh h f v s z x l r rr>

Sample: Kiino vogiogekhazmu hiugiu mmi qoqhe siahi viehgafaqi ann? Aphu riithu xiliorro.