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Porphyrogenitos wrote:EDIT: Oops I think I made this violate a linguistic universal by having more phonemic vowels than consonants.

Actually, Iau has 6 phonemic consonants and 8 phonemic vowels.

(Not to mention having 11 diphthongs, 2 triphthongs, and crazy tones.)

Dezinaa wrote:

Porphyrogenitos wrote:EDIT: Oops I think I made this violate a linguistic universal by having more phonemic vowels than consonants.

Actually, Iau has 6 phonemic consonants and 8 phonemic vowels.

(Not to mention having 11 diphthongs, 2 triphthongs, and crazy tones.)

Oh, huh, I forgot about Iau.

alynnidalar wrote:
Next: <m n mm nn a e i o u ii ie iu io p t k g q ph th kh qh h f v s z x l r rr>

Sample: Kiino vogiogekhazmu hiugiu mmi qoqhe siahi viehgafaqi ann? Aphu riithu xiliorro.

/m n/ <m n> (nasalizes following vowel, assimilates to manner of articulation to following consonant)
/mː nː/ <mm nn> (analyzed as long, only appear long/geminate intervocalically)
/p t k q ʔ/ <p t k q h>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ/ <ph th kh qh>
/f s x/ <f s x>
/v z ɣ/ <v z g>
/l r rː/ <l r rr> (/r/ assimilates to adjacent fricative, /rː/ is geminate intervocalically)
/a ɛ ɪ ɔ u/ <a e i o u>
/i e y ø/ <ii ie iu io>

Kiino vogiogekhazmu hiugiu mmi qoqhe siahi viehgafaqi ann? Aphu riithu xiliorro.
[kinɔ vɔɣøɣɛkʰazvũ ʔyɣy mi ɣɔɣʔɛ sɪaʔɪ veʔɣafaqɪ an apʰu ritʔu xɪlɪɔrːɔ]

(Well, that turned out way uglier than expected...)

Next one:

t k q m n w wh f ff z x r a e i o ô u ȣ y

Sample:

Iô tauxaqȣ, wheu nanaio ffazeriqokalyozum wa fe!

t k q m n w wh f ff z x r a e i o ô u ȣ y
t k q m n/-ɴ w ʍ v f z ʔ ʀ a e i o ɵ u ɯβ y
When I and u are semivowels they are pronounced j and w respectively
Sample:

Iô tauxaqȣ, wheu nanaio ffazeriqokalyozum wa fe!
We are anonymous, and we are the Legion of Truth!!!
Next
a b c c̈ d e f g ḡ h i j k kw l lh dh th m m̈ n n̄ n̈ p q qʷ r r̈ s t ṫ s̈ u v w x x̲ y z z̈ Cˀ C̄ V̄ V̈ V̈̄ V̤ V̤̄ w̤

ObsequiousNewt wrote:

Birdlang wrote:ʁʷˤˡˠˣʰʱʲ

Your Honor, I ask that you find this man not guilty by reason of insanity.

Because I have mental health issues, that is the reason, like Eddie but I have similar problems where I want to use every diacritic in the book.

My actual new romanization
a ă b b̆ c c̆ d d̆ e ĕ f f̆ g ğ h h̆ i ĭ j j̆ k k̆ l l̆ m m̆ n n̆ o ŏ p p̆ q q̆ r r̆ s s̆ t t̆ u ŭ v v̆ w w̆ x x̆ y y̆ z z̆

Birdlang wrote:My actual new romanization

I kinda doubt that for some reason but i'll try it anyway

Birdlang wrote:a ă b b̆ c c̆ d d̆ e ĕ f f̆ g ğ h h̆ i ĭ j j̆ k k̆ l l̆ m m̆ n n̆ o ŏ p p̆ q q̆ r r̆ s s̆ t t̆ u ŭ v v̆ w w̆ x x̆ y y̆ z z̆

<ă a ĕ e ĭ i ŏ o ŭ u y̆ y> /a a: e e: i i: o o: u u: y y:/ (or possibly the other way around with the length, seems counterintuitive though considering the choice of diacritic)
same system as above for <j l m n v w z> /j l m n v ʋ z/
<p b t d k g c q> /p b t d k g q ɢ/ (a little unusual with the <c> i know, but at least it works)
<(same as above just with the diacritics)> /p' ɓ t' ɗ k' ɠ q' ʛ/
<f s x> /f s x/ (diacritics = ejective)
<h h̆ r r̆> /h ʜ ɹ ɾ/

New one:
vowels: a, ã, ä, i, ĩ, ï, u, ũ, ü
consonants: b, bb, bh, d, dd, dh, g, gh, h, hh, k, kk, m, m̃, mh, n, ñ, nh, p, pp, r, rr, rh, rrh, t, tt

gufferdk wrote: vowels: a, ã, ä, i, ĩ, ï, u, ũ, ü
consonants: b, bb, bh, d, dd, dh, g, gh, h, hh, k, kk, m, m̃, mh, n, ñ, nh, p, pp, r, rr, rh, rrh, t, tt

How about...

Vowels: Tilde indicates nasalization, diaeresis indicates length, resulting in:

/i ĩ i: a ã a: u ũ u:/ <i ĩ ï a ã ä u ũ ü>

Consonants:
/m m̥ ɱ n n̥ ŋ/ <m mh m̃ n nh ñ>
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ/ <b bh bb d dh dd g gh>
/f v θ ð x ɣ h h/ <p pp t tt k kk h hh> (/h/ is written <h> intervocalically and syllable-finally, and <hh> at the beginning of syllables)
/l ʎ r ʀ/ <r rh rr rrh>

A sample I just came up with/gen just gave to me:
Dãghuppa hhïdãgu gãki battapäbkü. /dãkʰuba hi:tãku kãxi paðafa:pxu/
Hhüpttĩm̃ m̃anhãñtüh träbubũdïkk bügrrhü ppabbĩdamda hhighĩ? /hu:fðĩɱ ɱan̥ãŋθu:h θra:pupũti:ɣ pu:kʀu: vabĩtamta hikʰĩ/

Next:
a e æ ı i o ɯ u ȷ j jj h w c cc d t b p g k x h f s r l ll m n mn

alynnidalar wrote: Next:
a e æ ı i o ɯ u ȷ j jj h w c cc d t b p g k x h f s r l ll m n mn

/a e ɛ ɪ~y i/ <a e æ ı i>
/o ɯ~ʊ u/ <o ɯ u>
/b p ɸ m/ <b p f m>
/l ɬ t d s r~ɾ n/ <l ll t d s r n>
/ʎ j ɟ ç c/ <ȷ j jj c cc>
/g k x/ <g k x>
/b͜g p͜k ʍ m͜ŋ/ <bg pk w mn>
/h ɦ/ <h h>

Next one:
(before anyone labels me as insane, this was inspired by a real language)
p, b, p', f, v, m, ph, bh, ph', vh, mh, t, d, t', tw, dw, tw', ts, dz, ts', s, z, n, rr, l, ll, l', tsh, dzh, tsh', sh, zh, shw, zhw, tsj, dzj, tsj', sjw, zjw, kj, gj, kj', jj, k, g, k', kh, gh, kw, gw, kw', ww, wwh, q, qj, qw, qh, qwh, q', qj', qw', qh', qwh', x, xj, xw, xh, xwh, r, rj, rw, rh, rwh, hh, a, e (vowel allophony intended)

gufferdk wrote:p, b, p', f, v, m, ph, bh, ph', vh, mh, t, d, t', tw, dw, tw', ts, dz, ts', s, z, n, rr, l, ll, l', tsh, dzh, tsh', sh, zh, shw, zhw, tsj, dzj, tsj', sjw, zjw, kj, gj, kj', jj, k, g, k', kh, gh, kw, gw, kw', ww, wwh, q, qj, qw, qh, qwh, q', qj', qw', qh', qwh', x, xj, xw, xh, xwh, r, rj, rw, rh, rwh, hh, a, e (vowel allophony intended)

<p b f v m t d s z n l k g q x> are all as in the IPA
<jj ww hh> are just /j w h/, but see below
<ll r rr> /ɬ ɾ r/
<ts dz tsh dzh tsj dzj> /ʦ dz ʧ ʤ ʨ ʥ/
<a e> /ɐ ə/

Unless otherwise contradicted by the above:

• Following h indicates aspiration and causes breathy voice on the following vowel.
• Following w indicates a labialized consonant and shifts following /ɐ ə/ to /a o/.
• Following j indicates a palatalized consonant and shifts folowing /ɐ ə/ to /e i/.
• Following ' indicates a velarized consonant and shifts following /ɐ ə/ to /a u/.

Next:
a æ b c č d đ e f g ǥ h i k l m n ŋ o œ p r s š t ŧ u v x y z ž ʒ ǯ

Ǯabiǯa eǥimani œsuŧer æ gaŋada šymaǥo.
Æʒa čalupu habato đena vokane?

<a æ b c č d đ e f g ǥ h i k l m n ŋ o œ p r s š t ŧ u v x y z ž ʒ ǯ>
/a æ b t͡s t͡ʃ d ð e f g ɣ h i k l m n ŋ o ø p r s ʃ t θ u v x y z ʒ d͡z d͡ʒ/


Ǯabiǯa eǥimani œsuŧer æ gaŋada šymaǥo.
Æʒa čalupu habato đena vokane?

/d͡ʒabid͡ʒa eɣimani øsuter æ gaŋada ʃymaɣo/
/æd͡za t͡ʃalupu habato ðena vokane/

Next:
a â b c ć č ç d e ê f g h i î j k l m n ň o ô p r s ś š ş t u û v w ŵ y ŷ z ź ž z̧

Prâzaśthyrž gvadlorî, henmê šôždâ fuguşkŵrać. Betlafârkolô ždryźňi ma jîzgŷ? Z̧anrâvo čaśśâ prižeždahû!

<p b t d k g> /p b t d k g/
<c ç č ć> /t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ʃ t͡ɕ/
<f v s z ş z̧ š ž ś ź h> /f v s z ʂ ʐ ʃ ʒ ɕ ʑ h/
<j l r> /ʝ l r/

A couple of mergers have taken place in the vowels:
<a e i o u w y> /a e i o u ɯ y/
<â ê î ô û ŵ ŷ> /ja je i jo ju jɯ y/

Prâzaśthyrž gvadlorî, henmê šôždâ fuguşkŵrać. Betlafârkolô ždryźňi ma jîzgŷ? Z̧anrâvo čaśśâ prižeždahû!
/prjazaɕthyrʒ gvadlori henmje ʃjoʒdja fuguʂkjɯrat͡ɕ betlafjarkoljo ʒdryźňi ma ʝizgy ʐanrjavo t͡ʃaɕɕja priʒeʒdahju/

a ă ā b d e ĕ ē f g h i ĭ ī k l m n o ŏ ō p r s t u ŭ ū

Ĭ mōsko lĕ dēlgĕ ăsanka. Fa ĭ pŏrōno lĕ mōskĕ gihīna, pŏrŭ ĭ mōsko tŭpāna.

StrangerCoug wrote:a ă ā b d e ĕ ē f g h i ĭ ī k l m n o ŏ ō p r s t u ŭ ū

Ĭ mōsko lĕ dēlgĕ ăsanka. Fa ĭ pŏrōno lĕ mōskĕ gihīna, pŏrŭ ĭ mōsko tŭpāna.

How about we have a nice three-way vowel length system? For varying values of "nice".

/i i: i:: u u: u::/ <ĭ i ī ŭ u ū>
/ɛ ɛ: ɛ:: ɔ ɔ: ɔ::/ <ĕ e ē ŏ o ō>
/a a: a::/ <ă a ā>

/m ŋ/ <m n>
/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ/ <p b t d k g>
/f s x/ <f s h>
/ɾ l/ <r l>

Ĭ mōsko lĕ dēlgĕ ăsanka. Fa ĭ pŏrōno lĕ mōskĕ gihīna, pŏrŭ ĭ mōsko tŭpāna.
/i mo::sko: le tʰe::lkʰe asa:ŋka fa i poɾo::ŋo: le mo::ske kʰi:xi::ŋa: poɾu i mo::sko tupa::ŋa:/

Next:
a ä c ch e ë f i ï j k kh o p q qh s t th u v w y z

<p t c k q> as in IPA
<f th s z ch kh qh> /f θ s ʦ ç x X/
<w v j> /w ʋ j/
<a e i o u y> /a e i o u ɨ/

Dieresis indicates hiatus.

a à b c ç d e è é f g h i í j k l ł m n ñ o ò ó p r s ş t ţ u ú v w x y ý z

Şakat bíli e nòmbiłe vizi çampił. Àñata ben, ţap égero wyl camboja.

<a e i o u y> As in IPA. Acute indicates lexical stress. /a/ does not take lexical stress because of reasons. Grave means creaky voice.
<b d f g h k l m n p s t v z> as in IPA.
<c j ł ñ r w> /t͡s ɻ ɭ ɳ ɹ ʋ/
<x> /x~ɣ~ɰ/
Consonants with cedillas are retroflex.
For the purpose of stress placement in the example I just went with ultimate fixed stress in case nothing was marked. Aditionally creaky voiced syllables attract stress.

<Şakat bíli e nòmbiłe vizi çampił. Àñata ben, ţap égero wyl camboja>
/ʂaˈkat ˈbili e ˈno̰mbiɭe viˈzi ʈ͡ʂamˈpiɭ. ˈa̰ɳata ben, ʈap ˈegeɹo ʋyl t͡samboˈɻa/

New one:
<a ɐ å e ɛ i o ɔ ʌ u y æ œ ø> All of which except for <å> can also appear with an acute.
<b c d f g h ħ j k kh l ĺ p þ r ŕ s ś t x x́>

<a ɐ å e ɛ i o ɔ ʌ u y æ œ ø> All of which except for <å> can also appear with an acute. As in IPA, Å is /ã/ and acutes are long vowels, å cannot be long due to sound changes from å long to æ long.
<b c d f g h ħ j k kh l ĺ p þ r ŕ s ś t x x́>
/b ɧ d f g h ɦ j k ʀ l ɮ p ɬ ɾ̆ r͝ɽ s ʂ t ɥ χ/
Next
a a̱ b ƀ c ȼ d đ e e̱ f f̶ g ǥ ƣ ƣ̶ h ħ i i̱ j ɉ k k̶ l ƛ ƚ λ m m̸ n n̸ o o̱ p p̶ q q̃ r ɍ s s̸ t ŧ u u̱ v v̱ w w̱ x x̱ y y̱ z ƶ
All letters with underlines are vowels.

Birdlang wrote:All letters with underlines are vowels.

What if we think they'd be better as not-vowels?

No, KathAveara, only if you think the letters with underlines are not vowels, that is OK, that is fine if v w x and y are not vowels, even if they are.

OK
My new romanization
<a e i o ơ ơ̈ ö u ư ü ư̈>
<b ƀ c ȼ d đ g ǥ h ħ j ɉ l ƚ ⱡ ɫ m n ŋ q ꝗ (q with stroke) r ꞧ (r with oblique stroke) v ꝟ (v with stroke) z ƶ>

/a ɛ i ɔ ɤ ɘ ɞ u ɯ ʉ ɨ/ <a e i o ơ ơ̈ ö u ư ü ư̈>
/b β c ç d ʤ ɡ ɢ h ħ j ʝ l w ʟ ʎ m n ŋ q k r ʀ v ⱱ z ʑ/ <b ƀ c ȼ d đ g ǥ h ħ j ɉ l ƚ ⱡ ɫ m n ŋ q ꝗ (q with stroke) r ꞧ (r with oblique stroke) v ꝟ (v with stroke) z ƶ>
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Next: a ʙ c ç d e ê f g h i j k ꝁ l ƚ m n ŋ o ɵ p q ƣ ƣ̲ r ɍ s ş ᵴ ᵴ̧ t u ü v w x y ɏ z ƶ z̧ ƶ̧ ь ьj

<a e i ü o u ê ɵ y ɏ> /a e i y o u ɘ~e ɵ~œ ɨ ʉ/
<p ʙ t d c z̧ k g q ƣ> /p b t d c k ɡ q ɢ/
<f v s~ş z ç ƶ̧ ꝁ x h ƣ̲ ᵴ~ᵴ̧> /f v s z ç x ɣ χ ʁ h/
<m n ŋ> /m n ɲ~ŋ~ɴ/
<l~ƚ r~ɍ j~ьj w> /l r j w/
<ь> has fallen silent, but both it and <ьj> prevent the palatalization of the previous consonant. <ƶ> has also become silent.

a æ b ḇ d ḏ e f g ḡ i k l m n ŋ o ø p r s t u v y z
Baḡein æt ḏorotyr Saŋgama kloḇaz.

a æ b ḇ d ḏ e f g ḡ i k l m n ŋ o ø p r s t u v y z as in IPA for the ones in IPA, lines are for fricative variants of the stops.
Baḡein æt ḏorotyr Saŋgama kloḇaz.
I do not have any Ideas.

a æ b ḇ d ḏ e f g ḡ i k l m n ŋ o ø p r s t u v y z
/a æ b β d ð ɛe̯ ɸ ɣ ʁ i k l m n ŋ o œø̯ p ʀ s t uʊ̯ ʋ yʏ̯ z/, but <ŋg> /nŋ/, <Vr> /Vɐ̆(˞)/ and <kl> and <gl> is /kʟ̥/ and /ɡʟ/

Baḡein æt ḏorotyr Saŋgama kloḇaz.
/baʁɛe̯in æt ðoʀotyʏ̯ɐ̆˞ sanŋama kʟ̥oβaz/

Next(Jorai):
a ă â b ƀ c c̆ d đ e ẻ ê ể f g h i ĭ j k l hl m n ñ o ơ ô ŏ ỏ ở p (q) r hr s t u ư ủ ử (v) w (x) y z

Tơlơi pơphŭn c̆ơdŏng mởng Tơlơi Phrâo Hiăm kơ Yêsu-Krist, Ană Ơi adai. Tui hăng hơmâo c̆ih amăng hơdrôm sŏp hră pô laĭ-lui-hlâo Êsai: "Anai-nê Kâo pơkiaŏ nao ding kơna Kâo sa c̆ô c̆i anăp Ih, ñu c̆i pơkra brdi jơlan ƀơi anăp Ih...

a ă â b ƀ c c̆ d đ e ẻ ê ể f g h i ĭ j k l hl m n ñ o ơ ô ŏ ỏ ở p (q) r hr s t u ư ủ ử (v) w (x) y z
a aː æ b β s̻ s̺ d ð e eː ɘ ɘː f g h i iː ʒ k l ɬ m n ȵ o ɝ ɵ̞ oː ɝː p (qχ) r r̝ s t u ɞ uː ɞː (v) w (z̺) j z̻
Next
a c e g h i o u y ɉ j k l ḻ n z z̈ ẕ ẕ̈ ɋ ɍ ȼ ⱦ ⱶ ᵽ c q r t h p m ꜣ/Egyptological aleph

a c e g h i o u y ɉ j k l ḻ n z z̈ ẕ ẕ̈ ɋ ɍ ȼ ⱦ ⱶ ᵽ c q r t h p m ꜣ
/a ʦʲ ɛ ɣ h i o u y ɨ̯ j k l ʟ n z z̤ z̃ z̤̃ ɢ ɽˠ cç ɾ ħ β ʦ q r t hˠ p m ʕ/

Next:

a a̰ e ḛ f h i ḭ ɨ ɨ̰ k l m n ŋ o o̰ p r s t u ṵ v w y '

Ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa, ko̰ pḛ'e ŋa̰ 'opɨŋḭnen-ka̰.

Exactly as in IPA except that <y '> represents /j ʔ/.

Ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa, ko̰ pḛ'e ŋa̰ 'opɨŋḭnen-ka̰.
/ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa ko̰ pḛʔe ŋa̰ ʔopɨŋḭnenka̰/

a ā b c č d ð e ē è ḕ f g ǥ h i ī j k l m n ŋ o ō ò ṑ p r s š t u ū v x z ž ʒ ǯ þ

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