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Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:59 am
by YourFace
StrangerCoug wrote:Exactly as in IPA except that <y '> represents /j ʔ/.

Ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa, ko̰ pḛ'e ŋa̰ 'opɨŋḭnen-ka̰.
/ko̰ aŋḭ pɨ̰ parɨa ko̰ pḛʔe ŋa̰ ʔopɨŋḭnenka̰/

a ā b c č d ð e ē è ḕ f g ǥ h i ī j k l m n ŋ o ō ò ṑ p r s š t u ū v x z ž ʒ ǯ þ

Āǥa þō beð je čašīna nòx balji þō. È kīja? Þḕldriŋ þō ʒa hame ǯi.
[a:gʰa θo: beð d͡ʒe t͡ʃaʃi:na no̤x bald͡ʒi θo:. e̤ ki:d͡ʒa? θe̤:ldriŋ θo: ʒa hame ʒ:i.]


Try this one:
bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 9:57 am
by opipik
bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.
/βirˑt nːaʔ ⱱæan beːan neːɾ muʔ c͡çam læaɒm eir vomː wiar ɕʊʌɜn/

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a ch e h i j k kh l m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 12:40 pm
by YourFace
opipik wrote:bhirrt nnaq vean beean neer muqq cam leaom eir vomm wiar shuaen.
/βirˑt nːaʔ ⱱæan beːan neːɾ muʔ c͡çam læaɒm eir vomː wiar ɕʊʌɜn/

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a ch e h i j k kh l m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.

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<a ch e h i j k kh l  m n ng aw p ph r s sh t th ts u ü v w y z>
/a tʃ e h i dʒ k X l  m n ŋ  au p pʰ r s ʃ  t tʰ ts u ʉ v w j z/
Kawng na khawpi e, tawng ngü, pü thawng chi kungzawng e, kungzawng in mangthu kaw ai phajawtsang.
kauŋ na Xaupi e, tauŋ ŋʉ, pʉ tʰauŋ tʃi kuŋzauŋ e, kuŋzauŋ in maŋtʰu kau ai pʰadʒautsaŋ.

Try this:
b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 3:54 pm
by Birdlang
You post an alphabet AND a sentence, not just a sentence.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:46 pm
by YourFace
Birdlang wrote:You post an alphabet AND a sentence, not just a sentence.
Try this:
b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.[/quote]

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 7:09 am
by Tropylium
The following is inspired by a non-Greek natlang:
‹α β ββ γ γγ δ δδ ζ η ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ω›

Φροτο μασαγι δδαρη βα υιξτανδο χυανα ζαχναγο ιαλασμοξο πισαβω γαυι, ταξκυαμισκο ηξιτι βα υαλω Κοραγι δυα λογγο.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 7:37 am
by Tropylium
YourFace wrote:Try this:
b q d f g h k l m n p r ŕ s sh v w x z a e i o u â aa ee ii oo uu âa :

moŕde vàa shaloom, éstve: gâm, nevet:e maros:n valedǎa:m.
p t k   /pʰ tʰ kʰ/ (you seem to have ‹t› in your example sentence but not in your grapheme inventory)
b d g :   /p t k ʔ/
f s sh x q h   /f s ʂ ʃ χ h/
v z ŕ   /v z ʒ/
m n l r w   /m n l ɽ w/
a aa â âa e ee i ii o oo u uu   /æ æː ɑ ɑː e eː i iː o oː u uː/ (assuming that à and ă are typos for â)

surface phonetic processes:
/æː ɑː eː oː/ > [ɛə ɑə ie uo]
/æ ɑ/ > [æˑ ɑˑ] / open stressed syllables
/p t k/ > / adjacent to voiced consonants; > [b̥ d̥ g̊] / between vowels
epenthesis of [ə] in other clusters of mixed voicedness or awkward sonority
plosive + /ʔ/ > ejective; fricative + /ʔ/ > ejective affricate, including as sandhi across words
stress on the leftmost overheavy syllable (underlyingly closed with a long vowel), otherwise penultimate

[ˈmoʒde vɑə ʂæˈluom | ˈestʰəvekʼ‿ɑm | neˈvetʼe ˈmæˑɽotsʼən væleˈd̥ɑəʔəm]

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:50 pm
by YourFace
Ah, sorry about the typos, and the missing <t>.

a i u ā ī ū à ì ù á í ú ă ĭ ŭ â î û ä ï ü p b t d k g q ġ w y m n l r j qj gj kj s z sh h ng f v fv mn th dh tth ddh tdh
pâqlūdo swĭnï rum salath madth îm, gâanmwïpinär shalus.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:06 pm
by Birdlang
a i u ā ī ū à ì ù á í ú ă ĭ ŭ â î û ä ï ü p b t d k g q ġ w y m n l r j qj gj kj s z sh h ng f v fv mn th dh tth ddh tdh
pâqlūdo swĭnï rum salath madth îm, gâanmwïpinär shalus.
All consonants in as in IPA, but j is voiced palatial stop, g dot is voiced uvular stop, j after consonant means palatized.
Y is j, fv is stiff voiced v, mn is velar nasal, th/dh are dental stops, doubled is non sibilant fricatives, tdh is voiceless dental affricate, sh as in English same with ng
Macrons on vowels mean they are long, acute and grave stand for retracted and advanced vowels, breve for extra long vowels, circumflex for mid centralized, umlaut for voiceless vowels
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a b c d δ ð д e f g г h x ҳ i k m n ɴ и ɴ̆ й o ѳ p ξ ρ q r s σ ϛ t u w y z ѯ ѱ ж ҵ ц ч

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:39 pm
by StrangerCoug
<a e ѳ i y o u> /a e ø i y o u/
<p b t д d k г g> /p b t tʼ d k kʼ g/
<m n ɴ̆ ɴ> /m n ɲ ŋ/
<ѱ c ц ч ҵ ξ ѯ> /ps ts tsʼ tʃ tʃʼ ks ksʼ/
<f w s z σ~ϛ ж x q h> /f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
<ρ r> /r ʀ/

<δ ð> have merged with <d>, <ҳ> has merged with <x> and <и й> have merged with <i>.

a æ b d e f g i k l ł m n ŋ o ø p r ʀ s t ŧ u y

The capital of <r> is <R>, and the capital of <ʀ> is <Ʀ>.

Ŧæ ʀo bøłdain fy sapie daiat.
Rola dæʀ ipør fygieŋ badla su.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:25 am
by Qwynegold
‹α β ββ γ γγ δ δδ ζ η ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ω›
/a b b͡v ɡ ɡ͡ɣ d d͡z t͡s e͡i i/j~ʲ k l m n k͡x o p r s t u/w~ʷ p͡f χ o͡u/

m n
p b t d k ɡ
p͡f b͡v t͡s d͡z k͡x ɡ͡ɣ
s χ
r
l j w
i u
o
a
e͡i o͡u

Hmm, no /e/. :/

Φροτο μασαγι δδαρη βα υιξτανδο χυανα ζαχναγο ιαλασμοξο πισαβω γαυι, ταξκυαμισκο ηξιτι βα υαλω Κοραγι δυα λογγο.
/pfroto madagi dzarei ba wikxtando χwana tsaχnago jalasmokxo pisabou gawi, takxkwamisko eikxiti ba walou koragi dwa logɣo/

I don't have an alphabet to give.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:45 am
by Qwynegold
I have an alphabet after all. Here's a challenge. What will you do with the apostrophes and the weird consonant combinations? Can you make sense of the phoneme inventory and the lack of some common letters, such as K or S?

Ǝi''idžhǝ
' Aa Ǎǎ Bb Cc Čč DZDzdz DŽDždž Ee Ǝǝ Gg Hh Ɩɩ Ii Jj Ɉɉ Ll Mm n* Oo p* Qq Rr Šš y* Zz Žž
*Uncommon letter only found word-finally.

Although the alphabet has two digraphs that count as letters in their own, it doesn't mean that you can't create more digraphs based on the sample text. Unfortunately this font doesn't distinguish between the upper cases of ɩ and i, but they are two separate letters, distinguished in other fonts. Maybe you can work out a conreason for why these don't letters don't necessarily need to be distinguished in the upper case.

Roočdžačzodžq jo zidžiǎdz e ci dzačzoce aco dzrdžemoz zǝe r'ɩočdz rce aǝcaiǝdzcoǝ rce codzeadž čzim ramorca adže hačc. Dzzčbidž rce hzicbir ci 'eɩɉa rce aadžj cdžoq adže dzbciaq cešɩč ''y.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:31 pm
by Birdlang
Ǝi''idžhǝ ɘiʕʼɪɮɘ
' Aa Ǎǎ Bb Cc Čč DZDzdz DŽDždž Ee Ǝǝ Gg Hh Ɩɩ Ii Jj Ɉɉ Ll Mm n* Oo p* Qq Rr Šš y* Zz Žž
Ch is either aspiration or lateralisation
Reversed e is the same as in IPA.
ʕ/Cʼ a æ b ʦ ʧ d ʈ e ɘ g h ʉ͓̆ i/ɪ/ʉi j ʫ l m ɴ o pɸ q ʛ s ɧ z k
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a ä e ë g i ï k l ł o ö ø œ q u ü z a̤ e̤ o̤ i̤ ṳ ȧ u̇ ȯ ė ı ɜ ƨ

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:28 am
by StrangerCoug
Birdlang wrote:a ä e ë g i ï k l ł o ö ø œ q u ü z a̤ e̤ o̤ i̤ ṳ ȧ u̇ ȯ ė ı ɜ ƨ
<a e ı o u> /a e i o u/
<k g q> as in IPA
<l ł> /l ʟ/
<z ɜ> /s~z ʃ~ʒ/
<a ȧ ä a̤> /a˩ a˥ a˩˥ a˥˩/; same pattern for other vowels

<ƨ> has fallen silent and <ø œ> have merged with <e>.
StrangerCoug wrote:a æ b d e f g i k l ł m n ŋ o ø p r ʀ s t ŧ u y

The capital of <r> is <R>, and the capital of <ʀ> is <Ʀ>.

Ŧæ ʀo bøłdain fy sapie daiat.
Rola dæʀ ipør fygieŋ badla su.
I feel unloved.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:01 pm
by xroox
/p~b t~d ʈ~ɖ k~g/ <p t ŧ k>
/b~β d~ɾ ɖ~ɻ g~∅/ <b d r g>
/f s x/ <f s ʀ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/l j w/ <l i ł>
/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø o/ <e ø o>
/æ ɑ/ <æ a> (They neutralize to /a/ next to a high vowel)

Ŧæ ʀo bøłdain fy sapie daiat.
/ʈæ xo bøldajn fy sɑpje dajat/
Rola dæʀ ipør fygieŋ badla su.
/ɖolɑ dæx ipøɖ fyjen bɑdlɑ su/

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a an b d e en i in j k kö l ll m n g gö o on s t u un v y ë ën z

Köan debi gaymama vikon divta jebbin. Negka svollën bayaj göevkaggaz.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:41 am
by opipik
a an b d e en i in j k kö l ll m n g gö o on s t u un v y ë ën z
/b t d k kʷ g gʷ/ <b t d k kö g gö>
/m n/ <m n>
/f θ s/ <v z s>
/j̟ j̠ l̟ l̠/ <y j l ll>

/a ɛ i ɔ u ɜ/ <a e i o u ë>
/ã ɛ̃ ĩ ɔ̃ ũ ɜ̃/ <an en in on un ën>

/kʷã dɛbi ɡaj̟mama fikɔ̃ difta j̠ɛbbĩ. nɛgka sfɔl̠ɜ̃ baj̟aj̠ gʷɛfkaggaθ/
Köan debi gaymama vikon divta jebbin. Negka svollën bayaj göevkaggaz.

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a a̱ b d e e̱ f g h i i̱ k l m n o o̱ s t u u̱ w y

Ya̱ye̱ wa̱nna̱na̱ nin moni̱n yi̱nhunlu̠ fo̱de̱ bo̱nnu̠nki le̱wi̱ta wiy.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:16 pm
by Birdlang
a a̱ b d e e̱ f g h i i̱ k l m n o o̱ s t u u̱ w y all letters as in IPA, underline indicates voiceless vowel
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a ae auw c e ee euw h i ie iuw o oe ouw q u ue uuw z

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:10 pm
by opipik
a ae auw c e ee euw h i ie iuw o oe ouw q u ue uuw z
/t k/ <c q>
/s h/ <z h>
/j ʋ/ <i u>
/a æ aɔ̯ ɔ ɜ ɜɔ̯ ʉ ʉɔ̯ i ɪɔ̯ ë ɛ ɛɔ̯/ <a ae auw o oe ouw u ue uuw ie iuw e ee euw>

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a b e h i k o t u w y '

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:52 pm
by Dē Graut Bʉr
/b~m~v/ <b>
/t~n~ð~d/ <t>
/k~ŋ~ɣ~g/ <k>
/ʔ h/ <' h>
/w j/ <w y>
/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>

/h/ nasalises adjacent vowels, which in their turn nasalise adjactent stops.
Phonetically oral stops are lenited to voiced stops after phonetically nasal consonants, and to voiced fricatives intervocalically.

Ba'ihita atu hoktibe 'aka'aya wohiyo'awi ta.
[baʔĩhĩna aðu hõŋdive ʔaɣaʔaja wõhĩyoʔawi ta]

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a b bh d dh e ē g gh ǵ ǵh h i j k ḱ l m n o ō p q r s t u w x

Gurhē xowis kusjo ulnex ne est, heḱons speḱet, hoinom ghe gurxum woǵhom uweǵhontam, hoinomku meǵeqam bhorom, hoinomku ǵhemenam xōḱu bhérontam.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:51 pm
by opipik
a b bh d dh e ē g gh ǵ ǵh h i j k ḱ l m n o ō p q r s t u w x

/p b b̤ t d d̤ c ɟ ɟ̤ k ɡ ɡ̤ ʔ/ <p b bh t d dh ḱ ǵ ǵh k g gh x>
/s ʁ h/ <s q h>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i u/ <j w>

/a e eː i u o oː/ <a e ē i u o ō>

When /i u/ are pronounced /j w/, they are written <j w>

/ɡuɾheː ʔouis kusio ulneʔ ne est, hecons specet, hoinom ɡ̤e guɾʔum uoɟ̤om uueɟ̤ontam, hoinomku meɟeʁam b̤oɾom, hoinomku ɟ̤emenam ʔoːcu b̤erontam/
Gurhē xowis kusjo ulnex ne est, heḱons speḱet, hoinom ghe gurxum woǵhom uweǵhontam, hoinomku meǵeqam bhorom, hoinomku ǵhemenam xōḱu bhérontam.

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a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o q t u w

Camajac eu Anut uqa ijan “Cahineg” qon. Tu eu ijan “Witic” qon. Odocob witic mimei cojagen. Eu deel matu.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:06 pm
by Birdlang
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o q t u w
a b ʔ d e f gʲ h i ɣʲ kʲ l~ɽ m n o ŋʲ t u ɰʲ
Camajac eu Anut uqa ijan “Cahineg” qon. Tu eu ijan “Witic” qon. Odocob witic mimei cojagen. Eu deel matu.
ʔamaɣʲaʔ eu anut uŋʲa iɣʲan ʔahinegʲ ŋʲon. tu eu iɣʲan ɰʲitiʔ ŋʲon. odoʔob ɰʲitiʔ mimei ʔoɣʲagen. eu deeɽ matu.
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a á à ae aé aè c ch e é è ä â ã äo äó äò h i í ì k kh m n ng ny o ó ò ö ô õ p ph r s t th u ú ù ü û ũ y ɣ z ' ñ
Kaé chäo cû tü äò kã hô rú nì nü yè kéñ häoñ e rù khí i na yo.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:01 pm
by opipik
/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ ʨ ʨʰ ʔ/ <p ph t th k kh c ch '>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/s z ɣ h/ <s z ɣ h>
/w ɻ j Ṽ/ <w r y Vñ>
/ɑ ɑ́ ɑ̀ a á à e é è ɛ ɛ́ ɛ̀ ʌ ʌ́ ʌ̀ i í ì o ó ò ɵ ɵ́ ɵ̀ u ú ù ə ə́ ə̀/<a á à ae aé aè e é è ä â ã äo äó äò i í ì o ó ò ö ô õ u ú ù ü û ũ>
/ká ʨʰʌ ʨə́ tə ʌ̀ kɛ̀ hɵ́ ɻú nì nə jè kẽ́ hʌ̃ e ɻù kʰí i nɑ jo/
Kaé chäo cû tü äò kã hô rú nì nü yè kéñ häoñ e rù khí i na yo.

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a b d e f g h i k l m n ng o p ɋ r s t u w y z

Yesus awagamun dimunta Matyu mar tonta kab Yesus in ago kabiy alulin emim le in wol eman moɋim in eraɋim ago walmataw gihulosad Heven-ib Amam ago hib tugwalahta na awagamun bunmo Matyu ago wagam kab giɋus bugaɋta. Matyu in Juda on mataw Yesus anan helmo haɋiyta na ginadin emad in wagam ka mar tonta.

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:40 am
by xroox
a b d e f g h i k l m n ng o p ɋ r s t u w y z
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f s ʃ x χ/ <f s z h ɋ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/l ʀ/ <l r>
/j w/ <y w>
/i u/ <i u>
/ə/ <a>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>

Yesus awagamun dimunta Matyu mar tonta kab Yesus in ago kabiy alulin emim le in wol eman moɋim in eraɋim ago walmataw gihulosad Heven-ib Amam ago hib tugwalahta na awagamun bunmo Matyu ago wagam kab giɋus bugaɋta. Matyu in Juda on mataw Yesus anan helmo haɋiyta na ginadin emad in wagam ka mar tonta.

/jɛsus əwəgəmun dimuntə mətju məʀ tɔntə kəb jɛsus in əgɔ kəbij əlulin ɛmim lɛ in wɔl ɛmən mɔχim in ɛʀəχim əgɔ wəlmətəw gixulɔsəd xɛvɛn-ib əməm əgɔ xib tugwələxtə nə əwəgəmun bunmɔ mətju əgɔ wəgəm kəb giχus bugəχtə. mətju in judə ɔn mətəw jɛsus ənən xɛlmɔ xəχijtə nə ginədin ɛməd in wəgəm kə məʀ tɔntə./

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a b c ch d dx e g gu h i j l m n ng o p qu r s t u x xh y z ' (acute)

TI GUIICHI

Ti guiichi na’zi’ ndaani’ beela
ngayuuba’
Nuaa guxale’ guidubinaca guidilade’
ti gusaanani cheri’
xha’na’ yu di’
yu ni niclii xidxaa guisu
ra ga’chi’ xquipe’
layú ni naaze doo xquendanabane’
layú ni cubayu doo yane’
ti guibigueta’ ne guie’
cuaque’ lu mexa bido
ne chiniá ra xpa’ ca gue’tu’ stine’
Xisi ti guiichi daabi dxiichi’
ndaan’i beela nga yuuba’

Ziniá laa neca guinaa

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:09 pm
by opipik
a b c ch d dx e g gu h i j l m n ng o p qu r s t u x xh y z ' (acute)


/p b t d ʧ ʤ k ɡ ʔ/ <p b t d ch dx c~qu g~gu '>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/s z ʃ ʃʰ x h/ <s x xh j h>
/r l j/ <r l y>

/a aˤ e eˤ i iˤ o oˤ u uˤ/ <a á e é i í o ó u ú>
/Vː/ <VV>

Ti guiichi na’zi’ ndaani’ beela ngayuuba’; Nuaa guxale’ guidubinaca guidilade’ ti gusaanani cheri’; xha’na’ yu di’; yu ni niclii xidxaa guisu;

/ti giːʧi naʔziʔ ndaːniʔ beːla ŋajuːbaʔ, nuaː guʃaleʔ gidubinaka gidiladeʔ ti gusaːnani ʧeriʔ, ʃʰaʔnaʔ ju diʔ, ju ni nikliː ʃiʤaa gisu.../

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a ä c c̈h ch d e ë g i j l m n ñ o ø p qu r s s̈h sh t u x y

Re: Reverse Romanization Challenge Thread

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:35 pm
by schyrsivochter
opipik wrote:a ä c c̈h ch d e ë g i j l m n ñ o ø p qu r s s̈h sh t u x y
I need a sample text to determine whether y is a vowel or a consonant.