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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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ObsequiousNewt wrote:1739040695 has the following four allophonic rules:
  • Prenasalised stops [ŋ͡mg͡b mb nd ŋg] become non-prenasalised [g͡b b d g] after an obstruent.
  • Prenasalised stops [ŋ͡mg͡b mb nd ŋg] become non-prenasalised [g͡b b d g] after an obstruent.
  • Prenasalised stops [ŋ͡mg͡b mb nd ŋg] become non-prenasalised [g͡b b d g] after an obstruent.
  • Non-pharyngeal consonants [z ŋg ŋ͡mg͡b ...] persistently become front [zʲ ɲɟ ɲ͡mɟ͡b ...] before a palatal consonant.
The last one is interesting because there are neither pharyngeal(ized) consonants nor pharyngealizing allophone rules in that seed.
Did it seriously give you the same rule three times? Also, gleb does seem to be a bit redundant like you mention in my experience at least.
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That doesn't actually seem unreasonable to me—just a prenasalized /g͡b/. (Or am I off my rocker?)
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Matrix wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:ŋ͡mg͡b
what is even

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With closed mouth, why?
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Oh come on, it's just a prenasalized labiovelar occlusive that is voiced.
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Pogostick Man wrote:That doesn't actually seem unreasonable to me—just a prenasalized /g͡b/. (Or am I off my rocker?)
No, it's a prenasalized voiced labial-velar stop and it exists plenty.

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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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I've been refreshing and not getting anything really interesting (though Gleb did give me a language with no labials besides /f/) but it did give me this hilariously redundant rule:

Nasals [m n ɲ ...] persistently become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to a following obstruent or nasal.

Seed is 1638962514, the language isn't very interesting otherwise.

EDIT: Well, this is odd....:

Bilabial Labiodental Laminal
alveolar Laminal
alveolar
sibilant Velar Uvular Glottal
Nasal m̥ m n̻̥ n̻ ŋ̥ ŋ ɴ̥
Stop b b͡v tʰ̻ t̻ d̻ d͡z̻ kʰ k g qʰ q
Fricative s̻ x χ h
Approximant l̻ ɰ

Vowels Front Back
High i ɯ u
Mid-high e ɤ o
Low ɑ ɒ
Syllable structure

(C)V

C: a consonant
V: a vowel
Allophony

Labial stops or nasals [m̥ m b b͡v] assimilate in dorsality and uvularity and palatalisation and whether palatal or palatalised velar to a following obstruent or nasal. Before a velar or uvular consonant other than [ɰ], [b͡v] become non-affricate and assimilate in uvularity.
[tʰ̻ kʰ k qʰ q b͡v] become fricatives between a vowel or semivowel and a vowel or semivowel. Non-velar or uvular stops become stops; aspirated stops become unaspirated.
Nasals [ŋ͡m̥ ɴ͡m n̻ ...] become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to the previous phone between an obstruent or nasal and an obstruent or nasal.
Nasals [ŋ͡m̥ ɴ͡ɱ̥ n̻̥ ...] persistently become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to the previous phone between an obstruent or nasal and an obstruent or nasal.
Consonants [ŋ͡m̥ n̻ d̻ ...] become rounded [ŋ͡mʷ̥ nʷ̻ dʷ̻ ...] word-finally.
High vowels and semivowels [ɰ w ɯ ...] persistently become non-high [ɤ̯ o̯ ɤ ...] after a non-near-high vowel or an uvular consonant except for a vowel or semivowel.
Tense semivowels [ɰ w ɤ̯ o̯] assimilate in uvularity to a preceding vowel or semivowel.
[ɤ̯] persistently become [ɘ̯] before a non-low front vowel.
Non-front vowels and velar or uvular semivowels other than [w o̯], i.e. [ɰ ɯ o ...], assimilate in backness or velarisation to a following semivowel. Before [ɘ̯], rounded vowels become unrounded.
Unaspirated obstruents [g͡b b̪ qʷ ...] assimilate in voice to a following consonant other than approximant and become voiceless word-finally. Before a voiced stop or nasal, obstruents other than stops become stops.
Stops [k͡p p kʰʷ ...] persistently assimilate in aspiration to a following consonant other than approximant and become unaspirated word-finally. Before an aspirated consonant, voiced stops become voiceless.
Non-sibilant coronal alveolar nasals [n̻̥ n̻ nʷ̻̥ nʷ̻] become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to a following obstruent.
Non-sibilant coronal alveolar stops [tʰ̻ d̻ tʷ̻ ...] become sibilants [t͡sʰ̻ d͡z̻ t͡sʷ̻ ...] before a non-nasal alveolar fricative.
Velar or uvular obstruents or nasals [ŋ͡m̥ ɴ q͡pʰ̪ ...] persistently assimilate in uvularity to a following back obstruent or nasal.
Labial stops or nasals [ŋ͡m̥ ɱʷ̥ ɢ͡b̪ ...] persistently assimilate in labiodentality to a following labial stop or nasal.

Some words
/n̻ɒɰɑ/ [n̻ɒɤ̯ɑ]
/ɰuŋe/ [ɰuŋe]
/ɒd̻oe/ [ɒd̻oe]
/d̻ɑχɒ/ [d̻ɑχɒ]
/eχɒ/ [eχɒ]
/n̻eŋi/ [n̻eŋi]
/ɑqɒ/ [ɑχɒ]
/l̻ige/ [l̻ige]
/qos̻e/ [qos̻e]
/t̻ɒd̻e/ [t̻ɒd̻e]
/gen̻ɒ/ [gen̻ɒ]
/ɰɤχi/ [ɰɤχe]
/n̻ɑxɒ/ [n̻ɑxɒ]
/s̻ɒquχɑ/ [s̻ɒχoχɑ]
/ŋeχɑ/ [ŋeχɑ]
/qugɑm̥ɒ/ [qogɑm̥ɒ]
/kukun̻e/ [kuxun̻e]
/ŋɒqɑ/ [ŋɒχɑ]
/ɰɒko/ [ɰɒxo]
/hɯɰɒhɤ/ [hɯɰɒhɤ]
/ɰɒkɑt̻u/ [ɰɒxɑt̻u]
/ɰɑŋ̥u/ [ɰɑŋ̥u]
/bɒɰɒ/ [bɒɤ̯ɒ]
/gun̻ɒ/ [gun̻ɒ]
/ŋɯtʰ̻e/ [ŋɯt̻e]
/ŋui/ [ŋui]
/ŋeχi/ [ŋeχe]
/t̻eɰɒ/ [t̻eɤ̯ɒ]
/tʰ̻en̻ɑ/ [tʰ̻en̻ɑ]
/kɒmu/ [kɒmu]

Not too wierd, but /bv/ and no /pf/...there's no /p/ either and I don't see an /f/ that it could have become a la Arabic. I guess it became /h/.

Man, you know what would be cool? If Gleb did diachronics if you wanted it to. That would be nuts.
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Here's the phonemic inventory we were given with seed #1813866917:
Consonants:
m n̻
p ɓ t̻ ɗ̻ k g
s̻ h
l̻ w

Vowels:
i iː u uː
e eː o oː
æ æː

The syllable structure:
(C1)V(C2)(C3)(C4)
C1: a consonant
V: a vowel
C2: a voiced consonant other than an implosive; i.e. one of /m n̻ g l̻ w/
C3: one of /m n̻ g ɓ ɗ̻ h/
C4: one of /m n̻ g ɓ ɗ̻ s̻ h l̻ w/

We're going to play with the allophony some more and see how we can make these words more fun.

Some words:
gi /gi/ [ʒi]
candel /kæn̻ɗ̻el̻/ [kãɗ̻el̻]
nûtau /n̻uːt̻æw/ [n̻ʉːt̻æw]
eaugaun /æːwgæwm/ [æːwɣʷãw]
tuhîld /t̻uhiːl̻ɗ̻/ [t̻uʃiːl̻ɗ̻]
gillog /gil̻l̻og/ [ʒil̻ːɔɣ]
nogaun /n̻ogæwn̻/ [n̻ɔʒãw]
hacog /hækog/ [ʃækʷɔɣ]
potign /pot̻ign̻/ [pɵt̻iːn̻]
naun /n̻æwn̻/ [n̻ãw]
hunnu /hun̻n̻u/ [xʉn̻ːu]
cesa /kes̻æ/ [kes̻æ]
cugan /kugæn̻/ [kʷuʒã]
hakû /hækuː/ [ʃækʷuː]
sancig /s̻æn̻kig/ [s̻ãkiʒ]
candâg /kæn̻ɗ̻æːg/ [kãɗ̻æːʒ]
tugdê /t̻ugɗ̻eː/ [t̻ʉːɗ̻eː]
veaubûg /wæːwɗ̻ɓuːg/ [wæːwɓːuːɣ]
hunta /humt̻æ/ [xõt̻æ]
tagmeg /t̻ægmeg/ [t̻æwmeʒ]
vunda /wun̻ɗ̻æ/ [wõɗ̻æ]
da /ɗ̻æ/ [ɗ̻æ]
heognes /hiːwgn̻es̻/ [ʃeːoɲes̻]
sonba /s̻on̻ɓæ/ [s̻ãɓæ]
hauta /hæwt̻æ/ [ʃæwtʷ̻æ]
tînh /t̻iːn̻h/ [t̻ĩːʃ]
nauvin /n̻æwwim/ [n̻æwːẽ]
didnug /ɗ̻iɗ̻n̻ug/ [ɗ̻in̻ːuɣ]
tama /t̻æmæ/ [t̻æmæ]
cugind /kugimɗ̻/ [kʷuʒẽɗ̻]

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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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1829488856: /m ɱ n ŋ t k s x h ɾ j w/ /i u ɑ/ 15 phonemes, phonemic /ɱ/, more fricatives than stops, more sonorants than obstruents
1861398429: /u o ɔ a/ i.e. no front vowels (though there is /j/), also /w/-/wː/ distinction
1760892469: /u ʊ o ɔ a/ i.e. no front vowels, this time no palatal or palatalised consonants at all
1760630679: /m n p t k s ɾ l/ /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ 15 phonemes, (C)V, 5 allophony rules of which only one is non-redundant: "[e o ɛ ɔ] become [i u ɪ ʊ] before a nasal"
1759807651: /ɨ˞ ɜ˞ a˞/ i.e. three phonemic rhotacised vowels
1757874866: /r ɾ ɽ ɹ ɻ/ i.e. five phonemic rhotic consonants
1746800278: /n tʰ t kʰ k kʷ s ɾ/ 8 consonants but 32 vowels (/i u e o ɑ/ with contrast in length/creakiness in all of them, and nasality in /e o ɑ/), (C)(C)V(C)(C)
1746599950: /i e a/ i.e. no back vowels, one of the words generated is /ʈ͡ʂʰ̻ehhhah/ (post-allophony), note /hhh/
1745814316: no nasals, 16 phonemes, /hh-/ and /-sss-/ in the generated words (post-allophony)
1744962101: more affricates than "pure" stops
1753186851: /i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ a ã/ i.e., no back vowels
1752565005: /i u ɛˤ a/
1752270005: /m n̻ k͡p p t̻ k ʔ s̻ l̻/ /i ɯ u e ɤ o ʌ/ 16 phonemes, /ʌ/ as the only low or mid-low vowel
1748400547: /i y ɨ u e ẽ/ i.e. only high and mid-high vowels (even post-allophony)
1748990159: phonemic /ʎ̃/

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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Seed 1774581927. a and A contrast. Arabic's stops except dZ and ? and prenasalized voiced stops.
Seed 1774876974. both unrounded and rounded high central vowel, always rhotacized, rhotacized /a/, Pharyngealized velars and pharyngeal voiced fricative as only fricative.
Bilabial Laminal
alveolar Velar Pharyng.
velar Pharyngeal
Nasal m n̻ ŋ
Stop p b t̻ d̻ k g kˤ gˤ
Fricative s̻ ʕ
Approximant l̻ ʟ
Front Central Back
High i y ɨ˞ ʉ˞ u
Mid-low ɛ œ ɔ
Low a a˞

Consonants
Bilabial-velar Bilabial-uvular Bilabial Alveolar Velar Uvular
Nasal ŋ͡m̥ ŋ͡m ɴ͡m̥ ɴ͡m m̥ m n̥ n ŋ̥ ŋ ɴ̥ ɴ
Prenasalised stop ŋ͡mk͡pʰ ŋ͡mg͡b ɴ͡mq͡pʰ ɴ͡mɢ͡b mpʰ mb ntʰ nd ŋkʰ ŋg ɴqʰ ɴɢ
Stop k͡pʰ k͡p g͡b q͡pʰ q͡p ɢ͡b pʰ p b tʰ t d kʰ k g qʰ q ɢ
Prenasalised fricative nz ŋɣ ɴʁ
Fricative s z x ɣ χ ʁ
Trill r ʀ
Resonant l ʀ̆

Vowels
Front Central Back
High i u
Mid-high e o
Low a 58 consonants and 5 vowels
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I got this lovely vowel inventory earlier today: i i: u u: e e: o o: ɔˤɔːˤ a aː aˤ aːˤ ɑ ɑː ɑˤ ɑːˤ ɒ ɒː ɒˤ ɒːˤ

It also had some lovely allophony rules such as "Nasals [m n] persistently become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to a following non-front obstruent or nasal." (really, the nasals become nasal before nasals) and "Non-glottal stop non-glottal fricative obstruents [p b̪ k ...] assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent." which I'm still trying to parse.
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alynnidalar wrote:"Non-glottal stop non-glottal fricative obstruents [p b̪ k ...] assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent." which I'm still trying to parse.
Obstruents other than /ʔ h ɦ/ assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent.
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I have a bunch of gleb phonologies that I saved to my computer four years ago or so after I had been introduced to it. Let's see if any of them have any interesting qualities.

Seed 1222666009: A vowel inventory of /u ɯ ɞ̃ ʌ ʌ̃ ɔ ɔ̃ a ã ɛ ɛ̃ i/. While /ɞ̃/ may be somewhat plausible (it reminds me of how, say, Kanien'kéha has /ə̃ ũ/ even though it doesn't have those as oral vowels), the overall inventory seems strange.
Seed 1230595389: Voicing distinctions in /ʃ ʒ/ and /h ɦ/, but no other fricatives (including /s/).
Seed 1298459509: The only voiceless-ejective distinction in the language is /q qʼ/. No other plosive has anything but a voiceless phoneme.
Seed 1318185237: Not exactly remarkable overall, but I feel it deserves a mention because the vowels are /u ũ ʊ ʊ̃ o õ ɔ ɔ̃ a ã ɛ ɛ̃ e ẽ ɪ ɪ̃ i ĩ/. That's right—for once, gleb actually made a vowel inventory where no vowel height was missing a nasality distinction.
Seed 1335421245: A vowel inventory of /u ɔ a ɛ/.
Seed 1644333973: A phonemic labiodental nasal (/ɱ/).
Seed 1718109736: Consonant inventory includes phonemic creaky voice that looks like the phonemes drew straws to see which would have a creaky variant. Creaky-voiced phonemes are /m̰ ɓ̰ w̰ g̰/; /n/ has no creaky-voiced counterpart, and no other plain stops except /g̰/ are creaky-voiced—there is no /ɠ̰/, or even any /ɠ/. Vowels are /u a y i/, for what it's worth.
Seed 1750602705: A vowel inventory of /a ã æ æ̃ ẽ i/.
Seed 1806636111: /tˡ/ and /ʔʷ/, the only obstruents to make these distinctions. The consonant set doesn't even have a /w/.
Seed 1823791893: One would expect there to be /t tʰ/ in this phonology, but there's only /t/. There's both /tˡ tˡʰ/, though.
Seed 1914312427: How do you even pronounce /hˤ/?
Seed 1992857462: A vowel inventory of /a e i/. Not exactly unprecedented but I wanted to mention it anyway.
Seed 2021411572: A vowel inventory of /u ɯ a i/.
Seed 2028358447: Generally has voiceless-ejective-voiced distinctions in the stops except for the palatals, whose only stop is /ɟ/; the only voiced fricatives are /ɣ/, which has a counterpart /x/, and some flavor of /ɮ̰̠/, a creaky-voiced retracted alveolar lateral fricative, with no voiceless counterpart (all other fricatives are voiceless).
Seed 2034092232: /gʷ/ but no /kʷ/, and the only voiced fricative out of seven is /ɦ/. Vowels are /u ɔ ʌ ɛ i/.
Seed 2048838795: A vowel inventory of /ʉ o a i/.
Seed 2067615658: This has to be seen to be believed (also I was looking at these on my phone and Dropbox cuts the document off on the side). It's crazy. The filename I saved it under is "Sandbox 54 [EPIC PHONOLOGY].docx" for a reason. Nort, if you use this phonology let me know how you romanize it.
Seed 2092938721: The only affricates are voiced (/dʒ dɮ̠/).
Seed 2132229244: A vowel inventory of /u a ɛ œ i/.
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Pogostick Man wrote:
alynnidalar wrote:"Non-glottal stop non-glottal fricative obstruents [p b̪ k ...] assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent." which I'm still trying to parse.
Obstruents other than /ʔ h ɦ/ assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent.
It doesn't say non-glottal stop and non-glottal fricative obstruents, though, which seems to imply it's saying non-glottal stop fricatives.
I generally forget to say, so if it's relevant and I don't mention it--I'm from Southern Michigan and speak Inland North American English. Yes, I have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift; no, I don't have the cot-caught merger; and it is called pop.

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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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alynnidalar wrote:
Pogostick Man wrote:
alynnidalar wrote:"Non-glottal stop non-glottal fricative obstruents [p b̪ k ...] assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent." which I'm still trying to parse.
Obstruents other than /ʔ h ɦ/ assimilate in voice to a preceding obstruent.
It doesn't say non-glottal stop and non-glottal fricative obstruents, though, which seems to imply it's saying non-glottal stop fricatives.
Another way of writing it would be "non-glottal stop, non-glottal fricative obstruents". It's a typical gleb redundancy.
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I don't get this thread, what are "seeds" and what the hell are you all getting these consonants from?
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Consonants
Bilabial Laminal
alveolar Alveolar Palatoalv.
sibilant Postalv. /
palatal Velar
Nasal m n̻ n ɲ ŋ m ň n ņ ñ
Prenasalised stop mb nd̻ nd nd͡ʒ ŋg mb nŗ nd nž
Stop p b t̻ d̻ t d t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k g p b ļ ŗ t d š ž k g
Tap ɾ ɽ r ģ
Approximant β̞ ɹ̻ ɹ ʟ v z s ł
No fricatives, but affricates, and apical laminal distinction. Generated by Gleb version 0.3.1a seed 1468595599.
C1: a consonant
V: a vowel
C2: a consonant other than /d̻ d g d͡ʒ/

Consonants
Bilabial Alveolar Alveolar
sibilant Velar Glottal
Nasal m n m n
Stop p t t͡s k ʔ p t z k j pronunciation based off Italian but j comes from the fact that many South American Indian languages use j for /h/.
Fricative s h
Resonant ɾ̥ ɾ w̥ w r l y w

Vowels
Front Central Back
High i ɨ u i î/â (same rule as Romanian) u
Mid-low ɛ ɜ ɔ e ê/û (ê at beginning of words, û at middle and end of words) o
Low a ɑ ɒ a æ å
Phonemic inventory

Consonants
Labial Palatalised
labial Alveolar Palatalised
alveolar Apical
palatalised
alveopal. /
palatal Velar
Nasal m mʲ n nʲ ɲ ŋ m ň n ņ ñ g
Stop p b pʲ bʲ t d tʲ dʲ ṯ̺ʲ ḏ̺ʲ k p b ľ lj t d ķ ģ ť ď k
Fricative f v fʲ vʲ s z sʲ zʲ ɕ̺ ʑ̺ ɣ f v ż ç s z š ž ś ź w
Approximant l lʲ j l ĺ j
What are apical palatized alveolo-palatals.
Vowels
Front Central Back
High i ĩ u ũ i ï u ü
Mid-low ɛ ɛ̃ ɔ ɔ̃ e ë o ö
Low a ã a ä
Syllable structure
Nasalization symbol based off the old spelling for Guarani's nasal vowels.
(C1)V(R)(C2)

C1: a consonant
V: a vowel
R: a sonorant; i.e. one of /m mʲ n nʲ ɲ ŋ l lʲ j/
C2: one of /m mʲ n nʲ ɲ ŋ p pʲ t tʲ ṯ̺ʲ k f fʲ s sʲ ɕ̺ l lʲ j/

Allophony

Nasals [m n ɲ ...] become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to a following obstruent or nasal.
Palatal or velar consonants other than [j], i.e. [ɲ ŋ k ɣ], become rounded [ɲʷ ŋʷ kʷ ɣʷ] after a high rounded vowel.
Unrounded consonants other than [j], i.e. [m pʲ fʲ ...], become rounded [mʷ pʲʷ fʲʷ ...] after a rounded obstruent or nasal.
Unrounded consonants other than [j], i.e. [m pʲ fʲ ...], become rounded [mʷ pʲʷ fʲʷ ...] before a rounded consonant.
Short voiced stops [b bʲʷ dʲ ...] become fricatives [β βʲʷ lʲ ...] between a vowel or semivowel and a vowel or an approximant. Alveolar stops become approximant laterals; alveopalatal stops become non-coronal semivowels; [ḏ̺ʲʷ] become [j].
Non-pharyngeal non-front consonants [m pʷ v ...] persistently become front [mʲ pʲʷ vʲ ...] before a front high vowel or a high palatal semivowel.
Non-nasal vowels and semivowels [j u ɔ ...] persistently become nasal [ɲ ũ ɔ̃ ...] before a nasal vowel. [j] become [ɲ].
Central vowels [a ã] become front [ɛ ɛ̃] before a front consonant.
Coronal consonants [n dʲ sʲ ...] persistently assimilate in anteriority and retroflexion to a following fricative sibilant. Before an alveopalatal fricative, approximant laterals become non-lateral non-coronal palatal or velar; [lʷ lʲʷ] become [j j]; [l] become [j].
Coronal consonants [n tʲʷ zʲ ...] persistently assimilate in anteriority and retroflexion to a following fricative sibilant. Before a palatoalveolar fricative sibilant, approximant laterals become non-lateral non-coronal palatal or velar; [lʷ lʲʷ] become [j j]; [l] become [j].
Central vowels [a ã] become front [ɛ ɛ̃] after a front consonant.
Short non-glottal fricative voiceless stops [p tʷ ṯ̺ʲ ...] become voiced [b dʷ ḏ̺ʲ ...] between a voiced phone and a voiced phone.
Palatal obstruents or nasals [ɲ c ɟʷ ...] become alveopalatal [ṉ̺ʲ ṯ̺ʲ ḏ̺ʲʷ ...] before a palatoalveolar obstruent or nasal.
Non-pharyngeal consonants other than palatal consonants [m t vʷ ...] persistently assimilate in palatalisation to a following consonant.
Coronal stops [t dʲ ṯ̺ʷ ...] become sibilants [t͡s d͡zʲ t͡ʃ̺ʷ ...] before a non-nasal coronal fricative.
Obstruents [p cʷ v ...] persistently assimilate in voice to a following obstruent or nasal.
Alveopalatal stops or nasals [ṉ̺ʲ ḏ̺ʲ t͡ɕ̺ ...] become non-affricate non-coronal palatal [ɲ ɟ c ...] before a palatal obstruent or nasal.
Some words

/sũ/ [sũ]
/ãmʲsʲ/ [ɛ̃nʲsʲ]
/un/ [un]
/sɛ̃lʲɛ/ [sɛ̃lʲɛ]
/tɔj/ [tɔj]
/pãlʲ/ [pɛ̃lʲ]
/ṯ̺ʲulʲ/ [ṯ̺ʲulʲ]
/bɔ̃/ [bɔ̃]
/sʲɔɕ̺/ [sʲɔɕ̺]
/zuɲ/ [zuɲʷ]
/din/ [dʲin]
/us/ [us]
/nʲazʲãsʲ/ [nʲɛzʲɛ̃sʲ]
/lʲiŋ/ [lʲiŋ]
/inʲ/ [inʲ]
/jausʲ/ [jɛusʲ]
/lun/ [lun]
/tʲaṯ̺ʲ/ [tʲɛṯ̺ʲ]
/ṯ̺ʲãmtujɕ̺/ [ṯ̺ʲɛ̃ndujɕ̺]
/fapu/ [fabu]
/pãmbʲuj/ [pɛ̃mʲbʲuj]
/ɣamfint/ [ɣaɱʲfʲint]
/tulpʲ/ [tulʲpʲ]
/pʲamfɛ̃/ [pʲɛɱfɛ̃]
/zɔĩɲ/ [zɔ̃ĩɲ]
/tɛjɲɔ̃/ [tɛjɲɔ̃]
/ŋu/ [ŋu]
/ɔnʲ/ [ɔnʲ]
/kulʲ/ [kulʲ]
/pʲɔm/ [pʲɔm]
Generated by Gleb version 0.3.1a / 5.0a with seed 1469479923.
I Made weird spellings because I am using an IPad keyboard.
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Birdlang wrote:000024.org/random-language/gleb.cgi
It won't load/display...
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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אקֿמך ארש-הגִנו wrote:
Birdlang wrote:000024.org/random-language/gleb.cgi
It won't load/display...
I got it wrong
It is 000024.org/cgi-bin/gleb.cgi.
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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Gleb just gave me this wackiness:

Consonants Labial Laminal
alveolar Palatal Velar Glottal
Nasal m n̻
Stop p t̻ k ʔ
Fricative f s̻
Approximant l̻ j w

Vowels Front Central Back
High i ĩ u ũ
Mid-high e ẽ o õ
Low a ã

Okay, doesn't seem too bad--

(C1)(C2)(C3)V(C4)

Oh boy...

/wjat̻/ [wjat̻]
/t̻at̻t̻e/ [t̻at̻t̻e]
/n̻at̻/ [n̻at̻]
/l̻is̻n̻u/ [l̻is̻n̻u]
/n̻is̻el̻/ [n̻is̻el̻]
/t̻t̻awpa/ [t̻t̻awpa]
/wowjpa/ [wuwjpa]
/pas̻l̻ũf/ [pas̻l̻ũf]
/at̻wn̻a/ [at͡s̻wn̻a]
/n̻ijl̻ã/ [n̻ijl̻ã]
/t̻ẽt̻/ [t̻ẽt̻]
/jt̻en̻as̻/ [jt̻en̻as̻]
/t̻õ/ [t̻õ]
/wl̻in̻u/ [wl̻in̻u]
/wt̻ãt̻et̻/ [wt̻ãt̻et̻]
/kawup/ [kawup]
/l̻et̻wt̻as̻/ [l̻et͡s̻wt̻as̻]
/jl̻akkt̻ã/ [jl̻akkt̻ã]
/wt̻op/ [wt̻op]
/t̻ejwt̻o/ [t̻ijjt̻o]
/jo/ [jo]
/wkit̻we/ [wkit͡s̻we]
/wume/ [wume]
/wkojt̻ũs̻/ [wkujt̻ũs̻]
/jowt̻ok/ [juwt̻ok]
/s̻ẽn̻an̻/ [s̻ẽn̻an̻]
/fi/ [fi]
/kpops̻a/ [kpops̻a]
/wpopki/ [wpopki]
/pus̻/ [pus̻]

I have no idea how you're supposed to pronounce stuff like /wpo jla tejwt/. I have to put a tiny schwa in the middle.

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Re: The glebst of Gleb

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Chagen wrote:Gleb just gave me this wackiness:

Consonants Labial Laminal
alveolar Palatal Velar Glottal
Nasal m n̻
Stop p t̻ k ʔ
Fricative f s̻
Approximant l̻ j w

Vowels Front Central Back
High i ĩ u ũ
Mid-high e ẽ o õ
Low a ã

Okay, doesn't seem too bad--

(C1)(C2)(C3)V(C4)

Oh boy...

/wjat̻/ [wjat̻]
/t̻at̻t̻e/ [t̻at̻t̻e]
/n̻at̻/ [n̻at̻]
/l̻is̻n̻u/ [l̻is̻n̻u]
/n̻is̻el̻/ [n̻is̻el̻]
/t̻t̻awpa/ [t̻t̻awpa]
/wowjpa/ [wuwjpa]
/pas̻l̻ũf/ [pas̻l̻ũf]
/at̻wn̻a/ [at͡s̻wn̻a]
/n̻ijl̻ã/ [n̻ijl̻ã]
/t̻ẽt̻/ [t̻ẽt̻]
/jt̻en̻as̻/ [jt̻en̻as̻]
/t̻õ/ [t̻õ]
/wl̻in̻u/ [wl̻in̻u]
/wt̻ãt̻et̻/ [wt̻ãt̻et̻]
/kawup/ [kawup]
/l̻et̻wt̻as̻/ [l̻et͡s̻wt̻as̻]
/jl̻akkt̻ã/ [jl̻akkt̻ã]
/wt̻op/ [wt̻op]
/t̻ejwt̻o/ [t̻ijjt̻o]
/jo/ [jo]
/wkit̻we/ [wkit͡s̻we]
/wume/ [wume]
/wkojt̻ũs̻/ [wkujt̻ũs̻]
/jowt̻ok/ [juwt̻ok]
/s̻ẽn̻an̻/ [s̻ẽn̻an̻]
/fi/ [fi]
/kpops̻a/ [kpops̻a]
/wpopki/ [wpopki]
/pus̻/ [pus̻]

I have no idea how you're supposed to pronounce stuff like /wpo jla tejwt/. I have to put a tiny schwa in the middle.

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I cannot pronounce those words without inserting a schwa either. I thought gleb was to make pronouncable languages.
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Hiw has initial wC clusters, Japhug rGyalrong has initial jC clusters, Dorig probably has both
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So Hiw and Japhur rGyalrong are strange languages???
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So Hiw and Japhur rGyalrong are strange languages???
English doesn't permit initial /wC jC/? What a strange language, this English!
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Oh please.

I know we all want to parrot dank memes like "DAE english" and act like a language spoken by five 280 people in the middle of bumfuck nowhere is totally equivalent to the lingua franca of the world, but these things called "statistics" exist and cross-linguistically /wC jC/ clusters are rare, and admitting that fact isn't some mortal sin.
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Chagen wrote:a language spoken by five 280 people in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
Polish, spoken by 40 million people in the middle of Europe, permits initial /wC/ clusters.

The fact that I can speak Polish prolly explains why I initially had no idea what you're on about and found that word list p reasonable.

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"Rare cross-linguistically" does not mean "non-existent". I'm certain that if you took every known language in the world, the ones which allow initial /wC jC/ clusters will constitute a smaller amount than the ones which don't.

Much like how the fact that English is the third most spoken language in the world does not change the fact that non-silibant dental fricatives are uncommon cross-linguistically.
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