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Qhɯ̃̀ng Nhúek Scratchpad
I definitely need to make a thread like this to actually make me stick to one conlang. In any case, I am adamant to make an extremely isolating monosyllabic (maybe?) lang. It is mean to be set in my conworld but I haven't worked out any cultural stuff, that's gonna come later I suppose. If anything it's for my own artistic enjoyment as well as to quench my thirst of Vietnamese and Khmer.
I've been studying up on my isolating languages recently and I wanted a really cutesy and compact phonology, so I'll start with that. I do hope I'll get some feedback on this and suggestions are always welcome.

Phonology
I'm loving my phonology for Qhwng so far, I know I need to flesh out allophony and fill in the blanks (I'm avoiding fricatives with all my might).

Phoneme Inventory
• Initials (C):
/p t k q ʔ/ p t k q ʔ
/pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th kh qh
/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n nh ng
• Finals (C2):
/p t k q ʔ/
/m n ŋ/

/i ə a ɯ u o/ i e a ɯ u o
/V˦ V˨ Ṽ Ṽ˦ Ṽ˨/ V́ V̀ Ṽ Ṽ́ Ṽ̀

Diphthongs
So far I have the following:
/iə̯ əi̯ ɯə̯ əɯ̯ aə̯ ao̯ uə̯ ou̯ oə̯/ ie ei ɯe eɯ ae ao ue ou oe

Allophony

Literally, all I have so far is these two varients of the glottal stop. I could use some advice with what I can do to add more approximants here:

• /ʔ/ :> [ʔʷ] :> [w] /_o/ɯ
• /ʔ/ :> [ʔʲ] :> [j] /_e & /e_#

Syllable Structure
The syllable structure I have come up with is a standard (C)V(C2). There's not consonant clusters nor long vowels, geminates etc.
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Nominal Morphology
I enjoy a slightly engineered noun phrase template. I think we all do a little bit. For nouns I want the following:
TOTALITY + QUANTIFIER + DEMONSTRATIVE DETERMINER + NUMERAL + ATTRIBUTIVE MODIFIER(S) + HEAD + POSSESSOR + PREPOSITIONAL PHRASE
So my next plot is to scroll through each little bit until I can create a full noun phrase in Qhwng. Let's try and create the phrase 'in all three of his coffee bags'.

Totality
So basically, I guess this is 'all'? 'All' it is is 'all'? Well, okay. I guess it can also mean 'both' if 'all two'. The morpheme for TOT is qùk:
Qùk + QUANT + DEM + NUM + ADJ + HEAD + POSS + PREP

Quantifier
In my head, this can be collapsed with numerals and totality but I also have the premonition that I'll have to be able to say 'every three bags' somewhere down the line.. I composed a bit of a list but there may be some I left out.
khõq 'most'
thɯp 'few'
mùng 'several'
nhũ̀m 'each'
khṹʔ 'each (in turn)' totally stole that one from vietnamese
ʔɯ̃̀p 'some' or 'how much/many?'
NB: I didn't include any 'every' quantifier because I think that can be covered by the totality marker; that being said, our specified noun phrase does not have a quantifier (excluding the numeral and totality marker) so we don't need to add to it in this part.

Demonstrative
'This apple', 'those dogs', you get the gist. Qhwng makes use of a standard (Englishly speaking) two way distinction. I would make a chart as I have done below but I don't feel the need to.
kéi (PROX.SG)
thɯ̃̀n (PROX.PL)
ʔo (DIST.SG)
qẽɯ (DIST.PL)
Once again, there's nothing to add to the noun phrase in this part, so we shall continue on!

Numeral
Janko's wet dream is here. Here is a list of 1-10:
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The next part of our noun phrase can be filled.
Qùk ʔẽ́n + ADJ + HEAD + POSS + PREP

[I'll continue next post]
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Adjectives (oh, and adverbs)
First off, I'll explain the title. There is no distinction between an adjective and adverb in Qhwng. Adjectives can function in two ways: As an attributive modifier in which it precedes the noun, or as a predicate adjective over an object (which is super easy).
The easiest way for me is to show y'all:
khá nhã̀p big bag
khá khá nhã̀p big big bag (very big bag)
ʔɯ̃̀p khá khá nhã̀p some big big bag (some very big bags)
Qhwng only makes use of the copula with nouns so adjectives may have to function as verbs to take over that role. An example would be, to follow above, nhã̀p khá bag big (the bag is big).

Comparatives don't use the above function as the simplest way of forming such a phrase would be to use the phrase in it's natural state. The comparative uses an adjective reduplication and the placement of the particle ngẽ post-nominal. So the bag is bigger/bigger bag should become: khá khá nhã̀p ngẽ. This leads to: khá khá nhã̀p ngẽ ʔo nhã̀p 'bigger bag than those bags'.
Superlatives make use of the singular adjective and the totality marker qùk.
A similaris adjective (???) 'as big as' takes the adjective in its verbal placement and the copula after the second noun phrase: nhã̀p khá ʔo nhã̀p ná 'the bag is as big as those bags'

Our noun phrase uses the word 'coffee' which I can loan over as ká-pi:
Qùk ʔẽ́n ká-pi nhã̀p + POSS + PREP
(NB: I have also used the head noun here because I've written it enough times in this post.)
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I know you wanted to have no fricatives, but I would think at least an /h/ would be likely if you have /ʔ/, unless the /ʔ/ doesnt pattern like the other stops. e.g. can the glottal stop appear in all positions that other stops do? And does it contrast with zero?
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Nannalu wrote:Qhɯ̃̀ng Nhúek Scratchpad
I definitely need to make a thread like this to actually make me stick to one conlang. In any case, I am adamant to make an extremely isolating monosyllabic (maybe?) lang. It is mean to be set in my conworld but I haven't worked out any cultural stuff, that's gonna come later I suppose. If anything it's for my own artistic enjoyment as well as to quench my thirst of Vietnamese and Khmer.
I've been studying up on my isolating languages recently and I wanted a really cutesy and compact phonology, so I'll start with that. I do hope I'll get some feedback on this and suggestions are always welcome.

Phonology
I'm loving my phonology for Qhwng so far, I know I need to flesh out allophony and fill in the blanks (I'm avoiding fricatives with all my might).

Phoneme Inventory
• Initials (C):
/p t k q ʔ/ p t k q ʔ
/pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th kh qh
/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n nh ng
• Finals (C2):
/p t k q ʔ/
/m n ŋ/

/i ə a ɯ u o/ i e a ɯ u o
/V˦ V˨ Ṽ Ṽ˦ Ṽ˨/ V́ V̀ Ṽ Ṽ́ Ṽ̀

Diphthongs
So far I have the following:
/iə̯ əi̯ ɯə̯ əɯ̯ aə̯ ao̯ uə̯ ou̯ oə̯/ ie ei ɯe eɯ ae ao ue ou oe

Allophony

Literally, all I have so far is these two varients of the glottal stop. I could use some advice with what I can do to add more approximants here:

• /ʔ/ :> [ʔʷ] :> [w] /_o/ɯ
• /ʔ/ :> [ʔʲ] :> [j] /_e & /e_#

Syllable Structure
The syllable structure I have come up with is a standard (C)V(C2). There's not consonant clusters nor long vowels, geminates etc.
What about u-horn for ɯ?
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Birdlang wrote: What about u-horn for ɯ?
The orthography is pretty set. I wanted a pretty font-neutral script and two diacritics let alone an IPA symbol is hard enough.
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Publipis wrote:I know you wanted to have no fricatives, but I would think at least an /h/ would be likely if you have /ʔ/, unless the /ʔ/ doesnt pattern like the other stops. e.g. can the glottal stop appear in all positions that other stops do? And does it contrast with zero?
It appears in all stop positions and it contrasts with zero.
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Predicate Object Modifier ('cause I forgot)
Whilst I don't know shit about predicates as they confuse me to what they actually are, the best way for me is to try and translate "paint the door white". The predicate marker is í and comes between the noun and the modifier. I can then translate the small sentence to qhɯ́n nhẽ̀ʔ í thã́p (paint door PRED white).
(NB: í also has the positional meaning of movement towards.)

Possession
The suffixing (??) of one of the determiners (which are actually pronouns but possessive pronouns are different) below show the possessor of the noun:
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Including these, whole other noun phrases can fit into this slot if need be and create SUPERPHRASES~ but they take the particle thé which has a basic translated meaning of 'of'.
With this we can finally add onto our noun phrase.
Qùk ʔẽ́n ká-pi nhã̀p ũ̀t + PREP

But before I go on, I want to talk about possessive pronouns before I forget. The above list is the basic pronouns. The possessive pronouns, like possessor nouns, take the particle thé before them. This means, kéi nhã̀p ũ̀t and kéi nhã̀p ná thé ũ̀t mean 'this bag of his' and 'this bag is his' respectively.

Positionals
Once again I wrote this as a list:
í 'towards'
'in/inside/at'
í kõ 'into' (towards inside)
ang 'from'
í ang kõ 'away from' (towards from in)
ngõ̀ 'on'
thao 'off'
í ngõ̀ 'onto' (towards on)
kõ ngõ̀ 'up' (at on)
kõ thao 'down (at off)
ɯ̃n 'with'
ang ɯ̃n 'due to' (from with)
ang kõ 'out/outside' (from in)
Well, I have probably forgotten some but I will now be able to add 'in' to the noun phrase:

Qùk ʔẽ́n ká-pi nhã̀p ũ̀t kõ
[quk˨ jə̃n˦ ka˦pi ɲãp˨ ũt˨ kõ]
TOT three coffee bag 3.SG in
In all three of his coffee bags.
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