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Gejaehl Hlu:
Yeuḅeuy yaitbu ykheo pheum taim to kheo yiq hla ye ci kheo xi ḍeuseul aleobwa.
[jɯɓɯj jatⁿbu jkʰɤ pʰɯm tam to kʰɤ yiʔ ɬɒ je ci kʰɤ çi ɗɯsɯl ɒlɤⁿbwɒ]
Yeuḅeuy y=a-yt-bu y=kheo pheum taim to kheo yiq hla ye a-phu ci kheo xi ḍeuseul a-eo-bu-a

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

"When the blue sky above and the dark earth below were made, then were made between them both the sons of men."

Kannow:
Třpiimbyy riřoqʼàřow besʼèn i riřoksʼòndon ņusija, eed ŗaa sqyym třpiininyy nalén.
[ˈθʂpʰiːmbɨː d̥ʐ̥ɘ̯itʂʰəˈqʷʼɑtʂʰəw ˈb̥etsʷʼen i d̥ʐ̥ɘ̯itʂʰəˈxʷtsʷʼəndən ŋuˈsidʑɑ, eːð rak̚ sqʰɨːm θspʰiːnʲiˈnɨː ˈnɑdɮenʷ]
t-řpi-e-mb-a-h riřo-qʼàř-ow besʼè-n riřo-ksʼò-ndon ņus-ija, e-e-d ŗa-k sqym-h t-řpi-e-nen-a-i nal-én

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

Is there information on Kangshuic anywhere? Deghuri will probably be influenced by whatever regionally important languages are around it, and there could be a Wutun-like setup where a Deghuric variety of Kharidze ends up heavily influenced by Kangshuic and either Hluic or Zotic depending on what goes where. (Or Vengic? The Zenzi/Zzxzzyx Empire could end up taking that coastal bit and expanding into the hills, conquering some Kharidze and Qoic territory, if it's not off to the northwest. Kharidze is definitely far in the highlands, and Kangshuic expansion could've pushed Far Kharidze speakers in any direction, as long as Narngic was there first. If there are any other languages with front rounded vowels, they probably end up near Far Kharidze too, because that's the one notable areal feature so far. Narng's vowel system is basically Dutch without the Germanic length stuff.)

Also, Rau (Hathic) probably has Kllkic influence, not that the Hathic languages are ever likely to exist.

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

There is mostly outdated info on Kangshi on Annie. I'm gonna poast a better synopsis Kangshuic as soon as I can figure out the diachrony there well enough to do more than waffle around vaguely.

Elements of Kllk phonology

Kllk has a pretty small consonant inventory:

/p p b b t tʷ d dʷ k kʷ g gʷ q qʷ ɢ ɢʷ ʔ/
/f s sʷ ʃ ʃʷ x xʷ χ/
/m n/
/w ɬ ɬʷ r rʷ j/

Vowels-wise it has the following inventory, which is basically a standard five-vowel inventory plus schwa and a roundedness distinction applied to all vowels. (This is probably diachronic, some of these may have merged).

/i ʏ ɯ u/
/e ø ə ʌ o/
/a ɒ/

Rounded vowels appear almost exclusively in the vicinity of labialised and labial consonants, and may as such be considered only marginally phonemic.

/ɬ r/ can both be syllabic and in this case pattern with vowels.

Kllk has regressive backness-based vowel harmony from the final syllable of a word (not including clitics). There are also inconsistently-applied processes of regressive uvular harmony (affecting velar /k g/ and uvular /q ɢ/) which spread backwards through the word; this is particularly common in quite tight morphological units.

/ʃɢəmɢedɢɯq:ɯqs/ (also e.g. /ʃgəmgedɢɯq:ɯqs/)
ʃ-gəm-gdeg-eg-iʔ-qɯq-s
He kept hitting him until he vomited

/sqɯquppogs/
s-qɯq-iʔ-pog-s
He vomited all over

Kllk's maximal syllable size is CCVC. Although most clusters are possible, no cluster of more than two consonants is permitted. This often leads to restructuring of morphemes:

/ʃgedgegs/
ʃ-gdeg-eg-s
He hit him repeatedly

Generally speaking, codaic nasals are realised as nasal vowels, although again there are some exceptions produced by morphophonemics:

[ʒɢʌdɢɯqõ]
/ʃɢʌdɢɯqom/
ʃ-gdeg-iq-om
they took me by surprise

[ʒɢə̃ɢedɢɯq:ɯqs]
/ʃɢəmɢedɢɯq:ɯqs/
ʃ-gəm-gdeg-eg-iʔ-qɯq-s
He kept hitting him until he vomited

At the end of an utterance final vowels are dropped, though front vowels appear as palatalisation:

[skaɬkatxik:ɬktəsmʲ]
/skaɬkatxik:ɬktəsmʏ/
s-kɬak-taχ-ikkɬk-təs-mʏ!
Go and milk the goats!

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كان يا ما كان / يا صمت العشية / قمري هاجر في الصبح بعيدا / في العيون العسلية

tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!

All of the various different linguistic groups resident in the coastal areas of the Dog Continent have a strong tradition of improvised poetry, used particularly in storytelling or in insults. Most of the meters used are not particularly complex and depend on pure number of syllables and internal rhyme. The most common kind of couplet is called a ʃtakiddeɢiqs, literally 'feinting then taking by surprise', and takes the form of a couplet of a relatively innocent line and a rhyming insult, delivered to a host.

møna dɢudʷɢɑχabs bo sidsɯm
møna t-ɢudʷ-ɢɑχ-ab-s bo sids-ɯm
indeed NTRNS-tongue-dry_up-ABL-SUFF DEM meat-DIR
This meat is so dry it shrivels the tongue

gaga kpapuppus ba niʃɯm ek
gaga k-pap-uppu-s ba niʃ-ɯm=ek
very_much 0TRNS-be_herby-LOC-SFF DEM Kefir-DIR=and
And this drink (Kefir) too heavily flavoured

ʃom! sids ʃkopukkubus tsagɯm
ʃom! sids ʃ-kop-kku-bu-s tsag-ɯm
why! meat TRNS-eat-prefer-BEN-SUFF mother_goat-DIR
I would rather eat the mother-goat's meat

uddʷu ʃpatʏkkubus wasɯm ek
uddʷu ʃ-pat-kku-bu-s was-ɯm=ek
jug TRNS-drink-prefer-BEN-SFF she_lamb-DIR=and
Or sup from the she-kid's jug

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كان يا ما كان / يا صمت العشية / قمري هاجر في الصبح بعيدا / في العيون العسلية

tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!

That looks enough like Rau (which is supposed to be heavily divergent) that there'll be a Hathic presence somewhere on the coastal area of the Dog Continent. Thing is, unless C-Hathic (clickless) and N-Hathic (clicks) map to ~Malayo-Polynesian and ~Formosan (i.e. click loss happened in the common ancestor of all the Hathic languages sufficiently far from the Urheimat), Rau will have clicks.

The Rau inventory is probably something like:

/p t k/
/f ɬ s z ʁ/
/m n ŋ/
/r (j w)/
/a e ʌ o i ɯ/

But it's not set in stone yet, and the uvular harmony (and a voicing contrast) could be ported over -- Rau was originally supposed to be part of the ~Polynesian branch of Hathic, but there's no reason it couldn't avoid totally collapsing MOAs. (In which case it could have implosives.) If Rau is N-Hathic, it could have an ancient labialization contrast; if it's C-Hathic, it probably won't. The roundedness stuff could develop some other way: let's say *o *u unround, *a: > *o before long vowels shorten, then there's some w-coalescence stuff.

I'll assume that C-Hathic ~= Malayo-Polynesian, in which case I might want to move final loss further -- maybe Rau is part of the oldest (post-exodus but pre-Jedlug) branch and that happens later. This also has the advantage that Rau morphology won't necessarily have any correspondence to core C-Hathic morphology. That makes things a lot easier, and it means there's a voice contrast.

So it could be something like: (with ad-hoc sound changes to Gehui roots)

noʔ sʌg nxi dɮʌg da boɢ nmo xɯrɯb niɢim nʌʔ ŋoʃ feʃdʌɢ kpeg niɢim dɮaxa

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

beep boop i am a fascist

Kllk has a pretty small consonant inventory: *31 consonants*

then again, I keep thinking Hlu has a small consonant inventory, but it really has somewhere between 33 and 94 depending on dialect and analysis. (The proper analysis says that Gejaehl has 33 and Bor has 37, but some people think the clusters in dGudzong Tibetan are all units, so a pervasive prepalatalization contrast is I guess technically possible -- the syllable structure is (j)C(j)(w)V(C).

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

yng what is the kllk word/etymology for heaven, here is the rau word/etymology for heaven

23:45 < nort> feny 'pick up' > lok feny 'be picked up' > bbooan lok feny 'high' > t!arp!i bbooan lok feny 'respected high thing' -> 'sky' -> 'heaven'. ok
23:45 < nort> this becomes
23:45 < nort> well, t!arp!i is an article
23:45 < nort> and maybe this is lost or shortened to t!ar
23:46 < nort> monrukoush (< mon-ruk-xoush)
23:46 < nort> well
23:47 < nort> monggukoush maybe
23:47 < nort> bc velar/uvular harmony
23:47 < nort> which could shorten to mongkoush
23:47 < twanh> "ffs" is "I forgot they are phasing out etyl"
23:47 < nort> wait
23:48 < nort> sure why not
23:48 < nort> Kapi Mongkoush
23:48 < nort> which is sort of like 'tengri'

edit: this would actually be Qapi Mongkush, unless f > X, in which case monrukXush > monr(u)q(q?)ush > mongqush

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

Zotic is spoken to the west of Hluic and is in contact with Kangshuic and Kharidze. Vengic is probably spoken to the south of Hluic. Once there's a writeup on Kangshuic diachronics, I'll work out Zotic -- there's probably influence.

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

Ghàb Qudz -- Spring Water
An adaptation of an Altay folk song. Much uglier in Ubghuu, but hey, you can still sing it with the original melody.

vàvàth uʐę́ę́ ghàb qudz ŋa

Eternally flowing deep blue water
undɔ́ɔ́gi zivyìdàà

As I drink I feel refreshed
khɛ́h kháʔaa ntshááhaŋ ŋa

My Long Island covered in Kheh trees
hìfiyèŋ eyáá zidhombàà

You soothe my heart

uʁowye uʐę́ę́ ghàb qudz ŋa

Blue water, splashing as it flows
undɔ́ɔ́gi zivyìdàà

As I drink I feel refreshed
sróm kháʔaa ntshááhaŋ ŋa

My Long Island covered in Srom trees
umyɔhɔye zivyìdàà

As I walk around I feel refreshed

ŋkíʔ uʐę́ę́wɔk ghàb qudz ŋa

Blue water flowing from the mountains
undɔ́ɔ́gi zivyìdàà

As I drink I feel refreshed
phɛ́ŋmɛ kháʔaa ŋkíʔiŋma ŋa

These rocky mountains of mine
uváádaki zidhombàà

Seeing them I feel relaxed

dhùgàà uʐę́ę́ ghàb qudz ŋa

Blue water flowing with many waves
inééwye zúŋ ʔdzizándzaŋ

As you pass by I bow my head
koyóón ughèhęp ntshááhaŋ ŋa

My Long Island, beautiful like silk
ihrààyè zúŋ ʔdzizándzaŋ

As you call I bow my head

Sample of some Kangshuic C language (writing /y/ as <ʏ> b/c underdots):

nomə ɒ́ˀʃa̤ ɒ́ˀdáˀ wədʏ̤́ntéˀ ɒ̤́ ṳmoˀə ṳtʰø̤ə̤ wədʏ̤́nte̤ əˀdə́ ɒ́ˀpáˀ ɒ́ˀmɒ̤bə̤ tezéˀ


PK etyma for some of these, for future reference:
ndaˀs˧˥ -- blue
ʃaŋ˧ -- sky, heaven
doːd˩ -- black
moːk˧ -- earth
rtay˧ -- be born
ʒbəŋ˧˩ -- between
paˀ˥ -- person, man(kind)
zdup˧˩ -- make

ɵ ʉ

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Hék°er° ḍah t́éṅr̥ phч̥láƨam déri ɴ°xáƨamt°a ɴʔará ṅathé sḕlewask° khnéwda hek°ḗr.
hé-k°er<°> ḍah t́eṅ-0-r phч̥láƨam der-0-y ɴ°xáƨam=t°a ɴe<0>ʔ-ar-á ṅathé sḕl-e-was-k° kha<0>n-é-w-d-a hé-k°e<:>r<°>


Note that Miar is pragmatically quite Mormon in its use of hék°er° ḍah (cf. "and it came to pass"); this is used here to allow the dislocation of the when-clause. Ordinarily, adverbs in Miar occur at the end of the VP; prepending a dummy verb allows them not to occur at the end of the sentence, after hek°ḗr.

edit: and in the more sensible orthography:
Hékwerw dah céñr phxwláxham ndéri zwgháxhamtwa zqará ñathé seélewaskw khnéwnda hekwéer.

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

time to kllk up an orthography for this mofo

/p b t tʷ d dʷ k kʷ g gʷ q qʷ ɢ ɢʷ ʔ/
<p b t ṭ d ḍ k ḳ g ġ q q̇ qg q̇ġ ʔ>
/f s sʷ ʃ ʃʷ x xʷ χ/
<f s ṣ ś ṣ́ x x̣ xh>
/m n/
<m n>
/w ɬ ɬʷ r rʷ j/
<w l ḷ r ṛ j>

Vowels-wise it has the following inventory. The distribution of the various rounded/unrounded pairs (/i ʏ, ɯ u, ʌ o, e ø) is generally complementary, with rounded vowels appearing after rounded consonants (and often where a bilabial consonant appears in the syllable coda) and unrounded vowels in the vicinity of rounded vowels. As such they are represented with the same grapheme:

/i ʏ ɯ u/
<i u>
/e ø ʌ o/
<e o>
/a (ɒ)/
<a>

There is in fact no distinct rounded /a/ phoneme. /ɒ/ existed diachronically but has now merged with /o/. Nonetheless, instances of historic /ɒ/ are represented distinctively for morphological clarity.

Where unrounded vowels appear in contexts where rounded vowels would be expected, a grave accent is used. The opposite phenomenon does not occur.

Consonant harmony is not indicated in the orthography, and neither is allophonic voicing.

śgomgodguqquqs
/ʃɢʌmɢʌdɢɯq:ɯqs/
ʃ-gəm-gdeg-eg-iʔ-qɯq-s
He kept hitting him until he vomited

sququppogs
/sqɯqɯppogs/
s-qɯq-iʔ-pog-s
He vomited all over

śgedgegs
/ʃgedgegs/
ʃ-gdeg-eg-s
He hit him repeatedly

śgodoguqom
/ʃɢʌdɢɯqom/
ʃ-gdeg-iq-om
they took me by surprise

skalkatxikklktesmi
/skaɬkatxik:ɬktəsmʏ/
s-kɬak-taχ-ikkɬk-təs-mʏ!
Go and milk the goats!

mena tq̇ġuḍqgaxhabs bo sudsum
/møna dɢʷudʷɢɑχabs bo sɯdsɯm/
indeed NTRNS-tongue-dry_up-ABL-SUFF DEM meat-DIR
This meat is so dry it shrivels the tongue

gaga kpapuppus ba niśum ek
/gaga kpapuppus ba nɯʃɯmek/
very_much 0TRNS-be_herby-LOC-SFF DEM Kefir-DIR=and
And this drink (Kefir) too heavily flavoured

śom! sids śkopukkubus tsagum
/ʃom! sids ʃkopukkubus tsʌgɯm/
why! meat TRNS-eat-prefer-BEN-SUFF mother_goat-DIR
I would rather eat the mother-goat's meat

uḍḍu śpatikkubus wasum ek
/uddʷu ʃpʌtukkubus wʌsɯmek/
jug TRNS-drink-prefer-BEN-SFF she_lamb-DIR=and
Or sup from the she-kid's jug

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كان يا ما كان / يا صمت العشية / قمري هاجر في الصبح بعيدا / في العيون العسلية

tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!

Some details of kllk verbs:

All verbs have a transitivity prefix (ś- t- k-) which indicate a agentive, absolutive or 0-transitive verb respectively. Most verbs can appear with all three, with the agentive prefix appearing when they are transitive and the absolutive when they are intransitive. The 0-transitive appears in a range of idiomatic expressions (e.g. weather verbs) and as a generic impersonal:

squququppogs bagum
s-qɯq-ɯq-iʔ-pog-s bag-um
TRNS-vomit-ITER-SEQ-cover-CNT all-DIR
He was vomiting all over (he vomited-and-covered everything)

tqɯqɯqs
t-qɯq-ɯq-s
INT-vomit-ITER-CNT
He kept vomiting

tkalkatxhikklktesmi
t-kɬak-taχ-iʔ-kɬk-təsmʏ!
INT-milk_goat-go-SEQ-milk-IMP
Go and milk the goats!

kalkum staxhikklktesmi
kaɬk-um s-taχ-iʔ-kɬk-təsmʏ!
milk_goat-DIR INT-go-SEQ-milk-IMP
Go and milk the goats!

gaga kpapuppus ba niśum
gaga k-pap-uppu-s ba niʃ-ɯm
very_much 0TRNS-be_herby-LOC-CNT DEM Kefir-DIR
And this drink (Kefir) too heavily flavoured

kdaśtuks
k-daś-tuk-s
0TRNS-snow-fall-CNT
It's snowing

kkalkatxhikklkmeś
k-kɬak-taχ-iʔ-kɬk-meś
0TRNS-milk_goat-go-SEQ-milk-ADV
When going to milk the goats...

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كان يا ما كان / يا صمت العشية / قمري هاجر في الصبح بعيدا / في العيون العسلية

tà yi póbo tsùtsùr ciivà dè!

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i still cannot be arsed to post anything, it is a tragedy
somebody slap me

/me slaps Hallow XIII around a bit with a large trout.