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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:53 pm 
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These people really have a rich culture judging from the example sentences. Here are some thoughts of the grammar from me.

The grammatical description stops right when you start to get deeper into dependent clauses. I think this is an obvious place to continue writing. What's the function of the dependent marker a within different embedded clauses and how does it interplay with the conjunctions and relative pronouns? Sect. 2.2.7. has two examples of relative clauses and one of a complement clause, but what about adverbial clauses? In Sect. 2.3.2. you list only four subordinating conjunctions which don't include anything to mark temporal clauses ("before", "after", "while" etc.). If these meanings aren't covered by specialised conjunctions, am I right in guessing that they might use a combination of the dependent marker and an appropriate preposition modifying the clause?

You title Sect. 2.2.4. as "Focus and valence" but don't really touch the information structure uses that any of the valency markers might have. You in fact state that the antipassive markers are used for omitting the patient instead of demoting it to an oblique, which would allow marking the switch of topicality between agent and patient. I'd love to read if you decide to reveal anything concerning the coding of topicality or the singling out of prominent foci.

You state that nouns denoting units can function as classifiers equally well as the grammaticalised measure words. How open would you say this makes the class of mensural classifiers? And what about the non-mensural ones, how tightly closed group would you say they form? How likely would you say that at least scholarly use would start to allow the use of previously unused classifiers with some nouns?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:54 am 
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That is really great, with a nice East Asian feel to it, yet with plenty of interesting constructions.
I would like to see more of it, with forcible application of boot to rear end if necessary :)

Basically, what gach said.
Besides that, I'd be interested in learning more about the associated conculture.
Some additional and more extended sample texts would be great as well.


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This looks very nice so far. Your geography reminds me of the Indus Valley - did you draw inspiration from the enigmatic Indus Valley civilization?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:21 pm 
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One thing about your introduction bothers me - you bring up the names of a bunch of regions, but the map you include doesn't show any of them. If you're using English region names ("Delta," etc.), put them on the map, so that I can go back to the map and see what is where


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I see I've started a trend. :P

I don't know that nasalization can become tone -- is this attested anywhere?

I should get a grammar of Hlu up at some point. It's a lot like this.

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I'm honestly just wondering whether there's any particular reason why it's called Tagorese.


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I really like the phonology! I'd be interested to know more about the different dialectical variations. That level of detail is something I aspire to.

I too would be interested to learn more about the conculture. Is there a conreligion?


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