Shiiran
Shiiran
Shiiran, tiqlen [tsiɬin] or tii suirabi [tsaj ɕiːdami]
speak-NZ-1.PL.INTR-DECL, or speak Shiira-GEN; a scratchpad-esque thing I guess
Shiiran is an attempt to get back into conlanging with something nice and polysynthetic. Shiiran is spoken by the Shiira people in a world much like our own. (I'll make more culture maybe later).
Phonology
Short Vowels a i u e /a i u i/. /u/ drops word-finally.
(Historic) Diphthongs / Long Vowels aa ai ae ii ui ie iu ei ee uu eu /a: e: aj eː i: i: ju i: e: u: ə/
Consonants: (any sound changes noted here occur before vowel shifts)
Initial consonants:
b: Usually /b/. Intervocallically: /m/ before i, /w/ before u, /ʋ/ before e (though later /ʋe/ > /wi/). Also <bu> is /m/ word-finally.
p: Usually /p/.
k: Usually /k/, but /tɕ/ before i.
t: Usually /t/, but /ts/ before i/u.
l: Usually /l/, but /n/ word-initially. /Vli/ > /Vi/.
j: Usually /j/, but null before i, /ɟ/ before a.
s: Usually /s/, /ɕ/ before i/u.
r: Usually /ɾ/, except /Vɾi/ > /Vi/ and /ɾa/ > /da/
All words start with a (phonemic) consonant or a glottal stop, thus <ji> contrasts with <i> [ʔi] word-initially.
Final consonants:
n: Usually /n/, though nb /m/; np /mp/; nk /Nk/ (even before i); nl /lː/; Vnj /Ṽj/; nr /nd/.
q: Usually /ʔ/. /qC/ > /Cː/ where C is any voiceless stop. Also, ql /ɬ/; qb /pː/; qj /kj/ > /ts/; qr /ʔd/.
Before q, any vowel clusters reduce to the first vowel.
Also, as /n/ is historically an allophone of /l/, /n/ becomes /l/ intervocalically.
Pitch accent: Uniform with a pitch drop at the beginning of every word, with the exception that monosyllabic words are pronounced with a high tone consistently.
A couple roots/words and a bit of grammar:
tii- /tsaj/ speak [a language], language; sometimes by extension [to speak] the Shiiran language.
ken- /kin/ person, walk (on two feet).
bira- /mida/ to look at
inlesu, tii inlesu /ʔilːeɕ/, /tsaj ʔilːeɕ/ English (such a word doesn't exist to the Shiira, but I'm too lazy to invent a bunch of exonyms yet so I'm using this for the sake of easy examples)
Verbs inflect for subject and object.
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM]tii-la[/g]
I am speaking / I spoke.
[g=see-1.SG.NOM-3.ACC]bira-la-i[/g]
I am/was looking at it/him/her/them.
[g=see-1.SG.NOM-3.ACC]bira-le-i[/g]
We are/were looking at it/him/her/them.
[g=see-2.SG.NOM-1.PL.ACC]bira-ja-sa[/g]
You (sg.) are/were looking at us.
[g=see-2.PL.NOM-1.SG.ACC]bira-je-tu[/g]
You (pl.) are/were looking at me.
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC]bira-lin-ka[/g]
He/She/It/They is/was/are/were looking at you.
Verbs also mark for the gnomic aspect (-/n/ after a vowel, -/lun/ after a final consonant).
Often, the gnomic aspect gives a very different meaning from the indicative, as shown:
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM-IND]tii-la-Ø[/g]
I am speaking / I spoke.
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM-GNO]tii-la-n[/g]
I speak/used to speak [Shiiran].
[g=English-ACC]inlesu-i[/g] [g=speak-1.SG.NOM-3.SG.ACC-GNO]tii-la-i-n[/g]
I speak/used to speak English.
[g=walk-1.PL.NOM-IND]ken-le-Ø[/g]
We are walking / We walked.
[g=walk-1.PL.NOM-GNO]ken-le-n[/g]
We are/used to be people. (lit. We walk / used to walk (on two legs)).
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC-IND]bira-lin-ka-Ø[/g]
He/She/It/They were looking at you.
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC-GNO]bira-lin-ka-n[/g]
He/She/It/They is/are/was/were watching you.
Anyhow, that's it for basic stuff; I'll come back when I have more to add, I guess
[EDIT: change language name from <Shiran>]
speak-NZ-1.PL.INTR-DECL, or speak Shiira-GEN; a scratchpad-esque thing I guess
Shiiran is an attempt to get back into conlanging with something nice and polysynthetic. Shiiran is spoken by the Shiira people in a world much like our own. (I'll make more culture maybe later).
Phonology
Short Vowels a i u e /a i u i/. /u/ drops word-finally.
(Historic) Diphthongs / Long Vowels aa ai ae ii ui ie iu ei ee uu eu /a: e: aj eː i: i: ju i: e: u: ə/
Consonants: (any sound changes noted here occur before vowel shifts)
Initial consonants:
b: Usually /b/. Intervocallically: /m/ before i, /w/ before u, /ʋ/ before e (though later /ʋe/ > /wi/). Also <bu> is /m/ word-finally.
p: Usually /p/.
k: Usually /k/, but /tɕ/ before i.
t: Usually /t/, but /ts/ before i/u.
l: Usually /l/, but /n/ word-initially. /Vli/ > /Vi/.
j: Usually /j/, but null before i, /ɟ/ before a.
s: Usually /s/, /ɕ/ before i/u.
r: Usually /ɾ/, except /Vɾi/ > /Vi/ and /ɾa/ > /da/
All words start with a (phonemic) consonant or a glottal stop, thus <ji> contrasts with <i> [ʔi] word-initially.
Final consonants:
n: Usually /n/, though nb /m/; np /mp/; nk /Nk/ (even before i); nl /lː/; Vnj /Ṽj/; nr /nd/.
q: Usually /ʔ/. /qC/ > /Cː/ where C is any voiceless stop. Also, ql /ɬ/; qb /pː/; qj /kj/ > /ts/; qr /ʔd/.
Before q, any vowel clusters reduce to the first vowel.
Also, as /n/ is historically an allophone of /l/, /n/ becomes /l/ intervocalically.
Pitch accent: Uniform with a pitch drop at the beginning of every word, with the exception that monosyllabic words are pronounced with a high tone consistently.
A couple roots/words and a bit of grammar:
tii- /tsaj/ speak [a language], language; sometimes by extension [to speak] the Shiiran language.
ken- /kin/ person, walk (on two feet).
bira- /mida/ to look at
inlesu, tii inlesu /ʔilːeɕ/, /tsaj ʔilːeɕ/ English (such a word doesn't exist to the Shiira, but I'm too lazy to invent a bunch of exonyms yet so I'm using this for the sake of easy examples)
Verbs inflect for subject and object.
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM]tii-la[/g]
I am speaking / I spoke.
[g=see-1.SG.NOM-3.ACC]bira-la-i[/g]
I am/was looking at it/him/her/them.
[g=see-1.SG.NOM-3.ACC]bira-le-i[/g]
We are/were looking at it/him/her/them.
[g=see-2.SG.NOM-1.PL.ACC]bira-ja-sa[/g]
You (sg.) are/were looking at us.
[g=see-2.PL.NOM-1.SG.ACC]bira-je-tu[/g]
You (pl.) are/were looking at me.
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC]bira-lin-ka[/g]
He/She/It/They is/was/are/were looking at you.
Verbs also mark for the gnomic aspect (-/n/ after a vowel, -/lun/ after a final consonant).
Often, the gnomic aspect gives a very different meaning from the indicative, as shown:
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM-IND]tii-la-Ø[/g]
I am speaking / I spoke.
[g=speak-1.SG.NOM-GNO]tii-la-n[/g]
I speak/used to speak [Shiiran].
[g=English-ACC]inlesu-i[/g] [g=speak-1.SG.NOM-3.SG.ACC-GNO]tii-la-i-n[/g]
I speak/used to speak English.
[g=walk-1.PL.NOM-IND]ken-le-Ø[/g]
We are walking / We walked.
[g=walk-1.PL.NOM-GNO]ken-le-n[/g]
We are/used to be people. (lit. We walk / used to walk (on two legs)).
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC-IND]bira-lin-ka-Ø[/g]
He/She/It/They were looking at you.
[g=see-3.NOM-2.ACC-GNO]bira-lin-ka-n[/g]
He/She/It/They is/are/was/were watching you.
Anyhow, that's it for basic stuff; I'll come back when I have more to add, I guess
[EDIT: change language name from <Shiran>]
Last edited by nxh on Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:06 am, edited 3 times in total.
Call me ['nɛkseɪtʃ] / ['nɛksæʃ].
Prefer singular "they" (though I'm actually cis) for the sake of neutrality, though if that disturbs you, "he" or "she" works too.
Prefer singular "they" (though I'm actually cis) for the sake of neutrality, though if that disturbs you, "he" or "she" works too.
Re: Shiiran
Your second set of vowels are long vowels, not diphthongs.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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Re: Shiiran
You have some really interesting allophony, which I like because it's not something I'm good at myself.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
Re: Shiiran
Wasn't sure what to call them; most of those were at least historically diphthongs though.mèþru wrote:Your second set of vowels are long vowels, not diphthongs.
Call me ['nɛkseɪtʃ] / ['nɛksæʃ].
Prefer singular "they" (though I'm actually cis) for the sake of neutrality, though if that disturbs you, "he" or "she" works too.
Prefer singular "they" (though I'm actually cis) for the sake of neutrality, though if that disturbs you, "he" or "she" works too.
Re: Shiiran
Well, actually, there are a mixture of both; the ones containing ":" are long vowels, the others are diphthongs.nxh wrote:Wasn't sure what to call them; most of those were at least historically diphthongs though.mèþru wrote:Your second set of vowels are long vowels, not diphthongs.
Re: Shiiran
Technically, /ə/ isn't either.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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Re: Shiiran
Yes, I overlooked that one - why is it in the second series at all?mèþru wrote:Technically, /ə/ isn't either.
Re: Shiiran
@hwhatting
nxh wrote:most of those were at least historically diphthongs though.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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Re: Shiiran
That still doesn't make schwa a long vowel or diphthong synchronically.mèþru wrote:@hwhattingnxh wrote:most of those were at least historically diphthongs though.
Re: Shiiran
I would guess that /ə/ belongs to a single phonemic category which contains all of the diphthongs and long vowels, or that the distinction between vowels and "diphthongs" is made for orthographic purposes.
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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Re: Shiiran
It's not really that unusual for grammatical descriptions to be diachronic. /ɑʊ̯ ɔʊ̯ ɛɪ̯ ɑɪ̯/ (historically /uː ɔː aː iː/) are still described by most English-speakers as "long vowels," even though they've been diphthongs for over five hundred years. If Shiiran /ə/ came from a diphthong (odd but not unheard of), then it could plausibly still be described as such in modern Shiiran grammars.hwhatting wrote:That still doesn't make schwa a long vowel or diphthong synchronically.mèþru wrote:@hwhattingnxh wrote:most of those were at least historically diphthongs though.
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
Re: Shiiran
All good points, but instead of us second-guessing nxh, maybe we wait for his explanation?