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This looks like a good start. But there is one thing that strikes me as unlikely: namely that the third-person pronouns are one of the first places where the distinction between masculine and feminine gender is lost. Rather, one would expect them to be one of the last places where this distinction holds out while being lost elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:59 pm 
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Good point. I'll change the original post and when I get to pronouns I'll be sure to add a distinct feminine form of the 3rd prsn singular.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:32 pm 
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Accidentally double posted whoops :p

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Adjectives and pronouns decline like each other, excluding the personal pronouns which decline according to their own, somewhat exceptional paradigm. The shared declension of adjectives and pronouns is split into two paradigms, referred to as strong and weak. The are somewhat similar in function to the same types of adjectives in Proto Germanic: strong pronouns and adjectives modify a noun in the same clause, whereas weak pronouns and adjectives are those that stand on their own functioning like a substantive.

Basic Declension
Strong Declension


Weak Declension


For neuter nouns the "accusative" form is really an absolutive, and the ergative case takes its form from the instrumental in the strong declension whereas in the weak declension the ergative has a separate case form listed in the same row as the masculine and feminine "common suffix."

Also note that the "strong" and "weak" terminology comes from a distinction between vowel-based and n-stem declensions respectively in Proto Germanic- ie., the former constitute the classic adjective paradigm and the latter a new synthetic development. PVA has inherited the labels "strong" and "weak" in light of the tradition of how these adjectives were used, as far as any evidence can tell both weak and strong are "classic" pronoun-adjective paradigms and neither seems to outdate the other. It should be furthermore taken into consideration that nominal-esque desinences are found scattered almost arbitrarily among both strong and weak paradigms.

Degree
PVA featured four synthetic degrees: positive (default), negative, superlative and diminutive. The nonpositive degrees are invariably formed with an infix placed immediately after the root and before the ending. The infixes are: -am- (superlative), -ef- (negative), -evm- (diminutive). Note that -am- and -evm- degrade to -ą and -evą respectively before the null ending of the strong masculine nominative singular. The negative and diminutive morphemes function similar to a prefix such as "non" or "un." Like any reasonable language would, (I'm looking at you Esperanto) PVA also makes extensive use of lexical antonyms for contrasting opposites and the negative/diminutive degrees are by no means the ubiquitous method of negating an adjective: take, for example, *ēkj- (good). The typical word for bad would have been *rem-, describing something as "ēkjef" instead of "rę" would have the same effect as the litotes employed in the phrase "that's not good."

The negative morpheme -ef- will show up again when we get to verbs, *nudge-nudge*

Personal Pronouns
Personal pronouns ignore the strong/weak position since they always stand in "weak" position (not modifying another word in its clause)
First Person


Second Person


Third Person


I have a few ideas for deriving attributives from nouns as well as for formation and usage of demonstratives, relative and interrogative clauses which haven't come to fruition quite yet and so I shall wait for a later date to post those. Once I do I'll include some declension examples for pronouns and adjectives.

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