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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:18 am 
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So, here's a bunch of fairly pointless sentences to show some syntax of a new isolating lang I'm working on. Your challenge is to work out what all of the words are. You could either gloss every sentence (pffft!) or just write a word list with a gloss for each word. Please use spoiler tags in case others want to do this after you. Also, don't get too hung up on the "ins" and "ats" ... they're basically just meant to be locatives but it's awkward in English. Just meant to be a bit of silly fun but I'm also curious to see if you can do it and how some things are glossed.

Na i mba.
= I am a house.

Na i de mba.
= I am the house.

Lyu nga i mba.
= I am in a house.

Lyu nga i de mba.
= I am in the house.

Lyu ya mba i na.
= A house is at me.

Lyu zyi mba i na.
= The house is at me.

Na i mo ya mba.
= I eat a house.

Na i mo zyi mba.
= I eat the house.

Mba i mo nga.
= A house eats me.

De mba i mo nga.
= The house eats me.

Mo nga i mba.
= What eats me is a house.

Mo nga i de mba.
= What eats me is the house.

Lyu ya mo nga i de mba.
= What eats me is in the house.

Lyu zyi mba i de mo nga.
= The house is in what eats me.

Edit: Swapping lu and lyu.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:56 am 
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I like this kind of challenges, I'd like to see more conlangs presented this way.



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I thought most conlangers make their first languages very similar to their own as they usually do not understand linguistics that well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:00 am 
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MOAR!

OK, here's some more. It's not terribly systematic and to work out what everything is, I'll probably have to provide more sentences so feel free to ask "how would you say ..." or "would XYZ mean ..." kind of questions.

Hi e mba.
[ˈhi emˈba]
= This/that is a house.

Hina i gwa.
[ˈhinaj ˈgwa]
= This (here by me) is a fish.

Na i ze mu.
[ˈnaj ze ˈmu]
= I don't know.

Na i ze mu zyu ha na i mu.
[ˈnaj ze ˈmu ʒu ha ˌnaj ˈmu]
= I don't know if I know.

Na i ze mu zyu na i mu mya.
[ˈnaj ze ˈmu ʒu ˌnaj ˈmu mja]
= I don't know what/who I know.

Na i bo mu zyu wa i ma.
[ˈnaj bo ˈmu ʒu ˌwaj ˈma]
= I want to know who/what you are.

He ze ngu nga.
[he ze ˈŋu ŋa]
= Don't kill me!

Ze ngu i zyenda.
[ze ˈŋuj ˈʒenda]
= What doesn't kill (you) makes (you) stronger.

De i ngu zyi u lyu i mba nga u dya i nggo.
[ˌdej ŋu ʒiw ˌʎujmˈba ŋaw ˌdʒajŋˈgo]
= He killed/kills/will kill it in my house with a stick.

De i dwi ngu zyi u dya i mizyo zyi.
[ˌdej dwi ŋu ʒiw ˌdʒaj ˈmiʒo ʒi]
= She killed/kills/will kill it using her mind.

Lyu wo i ma?
ʎu woj ˈma]
= Where are you?

Wa i zi mo zyi u lyu i ma?
[ˈwaj zi ˈmo ʒiw ˌʎuj ˈma]
= Where did you eat it?

Ma i lyu zyu wa i zi mo zyi?
[ˌmaj ˈʎu ʒu ˈwaj zi ˈmo ʒi]
= Where did you eat it? (alternative)

De i zi ngu zyi gwi u (de i) mo (zyi).
[ˈdej zi ˈŋu ʒi ˈgwiw (ˌdej) ˈmo (ʒi)]
= He killed the fish by eating (it). (The "de i" and the "zyi" in brackets are independently optional and don't have to occur together.)

Edit: Changed gwenda to zyenda, part of an arbitrary reform just because I like [ʒ] so much.
Edit: Swapping lu and lyu.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:05 am 
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More sentences, good! I'll have a closer look at them this evening, for now this is what I can identify:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:13 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:52 pm 
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"homo" is going in the quote thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:56 pm 
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Damn! You beat me to it. (On the other hand, once you post that, oh, I have so much more to post already...).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:42 pm 
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Dammit, you guys! That whole sentence looks terrifying without the context. "Can't wait till you're legal! *lick's lips" OMFG!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:45 pm 
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I interpreted it as a sex transformation. I need to dig up my pessimistic side from whatever cave it is hiding in and force it to exercise more.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:06 pm 
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I think I interpreted it as something like planning to meet up with someone you've only ever known as an online user or something, and then getting excited about hooking up with them in person. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:14 am 
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Someone you only know online becomes a man when you meet them?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:49 am 
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Well, becomes an actual man in the flesh before your eyes, as opposed to some screenname on a computer, if that makes any sense.


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