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Author:  Travis B. [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:45 pm ]
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Author:  mèþru [ Sun May 07, 2017 3:40 pm ]
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I am working on a different language (I won't post it to stay on topic here and go back to Proto-Kkasetan), and I made a strict word order (V dO iO S), but also a case system that eliminates the need for a strict word order. I don't want to use to reflect mood as in some of my other languages. Any ideas for another use?

Author:  Vijay [ Sun May 07, 2017 7:14 pm ]
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Emphasis? (Or is that still mood?)

Author:  mèþru [ Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:35 pm ]
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I have a wiki now, with one page:
https://karrot.miraheze.org/wiki/Geography

Author:  mèþru [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:23 pm ]
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More Khasoitoi:
Nouns
Like verbs, nouns have an a-stem, i-stem and u-stem. However, all sonorants, regardless of palatalisation and place of articulation belong to the n-stem. Each has their own plural.
I-stem – masculine (leutíni, leutínilìm)
-im after consonants, -lim after vowels
N-stem – masculine (xwal, xwálus)
-us
A-stem – feminine (muxábis, muxábisàx)
-ax after consonants, -lax after vowels
U-stem – feminine (múnulu, múnulukw')
-ukw' after consonants, -kw' after vowels
Mass nouns are usually n-stem or u-stem. Abstract nouns are mainly n-stem.
All nouns derived from other categories have neuter gender, whatever their stem is. There are other exceptions to the gender-stem alignment. Repeating a noun emphasises it.

Author:  mèþru [ Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:24 pm ]
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Now I will change to a project that I'm currently working on:
Telamkal
/p t k/ <p t k>
/m n/ <m n>
/s ʃ x/ <s š h>
/w j/ <v j>
/l/ <l>
Alternative orthography:
/p~b t~d k~ɡ] <п б т д к г>
/m n/ <м н>
/s~z ʃ~ ʒ x/ <с з ш ж х>
/w/ <ԝ>
/l/ <л>
/i u e o ə ä~ɑ~ɒ ji ju je jo jä wi wə/ <і у э о ӗ а а́ а́ ї ю ё я ԝї ԝё>

Aspiration as in English
Intervocalic voicing
/x/ is [h] before /ə ä/. It merges with /w/ in allophonic voicing. while /xi/ after a vowel become [ji]
/wi/ becomes [ɥi]. /t n l/ become palatalised before /ʃ j i/ and [ɥ].
Consonants are rounded before /w/ (bilabials are already round)
One dialect (D1) pronounces /xw/ as [ʍː], or [wː] intervocalically. Another (D2) pronounces /xwä/ as [ho], contrasting with [xo] and both turning into [wo] allophonically.
[n] becomes [ŋ] before /k x/ for most speakers. Both D1 and D2 speakers always have /nw nwi/ as [ŋʷw ɲɥ], while other dialects have the first only as tendency while preferring /nwi/ as [n̠ᶣɥi].

ä/æ/[jie]_
ä/ɒ/w_
ä/ɑ/_[kxŋ]C
ä/ɑ/_i
ə/ɵ/w_

Phonotactics
C=snʃmtljwpkx
1=kptsʃmnx
2=snʃmtlpkx
3=ntklmp
W=wj
S=ʃs
V=aouieə
CV
CV2
CV3S
1WV
1WV2
V
1WV3S
V2
V3S

sj/ʃ/_
s/ʃ/_wi
ə/i/j_
No gemination.

Author:  mèþru [ Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:11 am ]
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I've lost the sound changes for all the descendants of the protolang I created in beginning of the thread. I need to remember to save things much more often (it was sitting in open SCA tabs without any copies for more than half a year!)

Author:  mèþru [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:35 am ]
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Author:  gach [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:09 am ]
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Author:  mèþru [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:18 am ]
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Thanks!


By classifiers I meant specifically numeral classifiers.

Author:  rotting bones [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:35 am ]
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I like this conworld, but I don't have the experience to critique it effectively.

Doesn't Bengali have case but minimal grammatical gender?

Author:  rotting bones [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:14 pm ]
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Here's an attempt anyway: You say your system has a K IV star. I'm no astrophysicist, but from this diagram: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-type_ma ... text-2.svg those are beige, right? You have to decide on the color of your star. (By color, I mean frequency range.) I couldn't find details on the atmospheric makeup of Courrauch. I was looking for those because I'm pretty sure you're supposed to apply this next: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering Once we know the frequencies entering the atmosphere, and the frequency ranges detected by the eyes of your species, we have to break those up into culturally distinguished "colors". Different cultures often distinguish colors differently, but there is still some degree of convergence on the basis of colors that are useful. For example, it is often useful for red to stand out brightly because it's the color of blood. At that point, we will know exactly what your species see when they look at the sky.

(Any or all of the above may be wrong. Being told over and over again that I'm raving maniacally has shot my confidence, so please be nice.)

PS. Never mind, I see the atmosphere on the wiki. Hm, you're supposed to find the Rayleigh cross sections of all the gases in the atmosphere. But it looks pretty similar to earth.

PPS. This document here gives Rayleigh cross section of methane as a function of wavelength on page 14: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi ... 012747.pdf

PPPS. Yeah, I think we just need to plug the wavelength you decide into the formula now. Is anything missing?

Author:  rotting bones [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:48 pm ]
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0.8% of your atmosphere being methane won't cause an explosion, but it is an extremely reactive gas. Won't you keep having to replace it?

PS. Methane is also a much, much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. I don't know if you have taken that into account, but it's something to bear in mind.

PPS. tl;dr You say the humans are tetrachromats, but what are the frequency ranges that their eyes detect as primary colors?

PPPS. Trying to create an account on your wiki says: [3a23e27598a6e9bc81403106] 2017-09-25 06:23:31: Fatal exception of type "Exception"

Author:  mèþru [ Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:42 am ]
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Author:  mèþru [ Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:04 pm ]
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Author:  mèþru [ Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:34 pm ]
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@rotting bones: I added to your account "editor" status

Author:  mèþru [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:35 pm ]
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Author:  Ars Lande [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:15 am ]
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I believe the question to ask is: how do Earth humans know about kårroť? Who found out about the species and how did kårroť humans look to them?

If there is no or very little contact between Earth and kårroť, using "human" makes a lot of sense. There is no real need to distinguish both species most of the times, and when it does kårroť works just fine.

Author:  mèþru [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:56 pm ]
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There is no contact.

Author:  mèþru [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:58 pm ]
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Author:  mèþru [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:21 pm ]
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I tried to derive the creature from by changes to Japyx solifugus and gave up. Anyone have ideas? It needs to be at least as large as a rat.

Author:  mèþru [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:07 am ]
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I have non-paying language commission from a borderline friend/acquaintance, so that's one of the things I've (not really) been working on this month. I think I might incorporate into kårroť, because it needs as many a posteriori conlangs as it can get. The problem is is that the language doesn't really fit well into any of the language zones I want and as a personal language for a resident of modern day New Jersey who speaks English and Spanish it won't fit lexically on an alien planet. She isn't a linguist or conlanger, so it will be difficult to make a language as alien as I want to for kårroť. In fact, she already isn't that good with the two languages she knows (I'm not sure, but she might not be fluent in Spanish, even though it is her native tongue. She's fluent in English). What do you guys think?

Author:  mèþru [ Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:50 pm ]
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Solution: I have a proto-langauge. One descendant will be the commission that doesn't exist in kårroť , and the other will exist in kårroť.

Author:  mèþru [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:36 am ]
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Learning about how sleep used to be divided into two parts is making me rethink the daily habits of kårroť humans. Maybe they sleep four hours, wake up and then sleep another one and a half? The in-between period would last about three fourths of an hour.

Author:  mèþru [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:52 pm ]
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I had an idea older than the kårroť project for a non-eukaryote carnivorous creature that looks like an African wild dog and does photosynthesis. Later, when coming up with the ideas of intelligent beings in kårroť, I wanted to include them as a being that evolves into sapience during and next to mankind's civilization. Other weird Ideas I had: they have an area in their body that stores energy for long-term use in the form of starch rather than glycogen; they have three lungs: one for oxygen and carbon dioxide, one for water and one for other stuff; they have three circulatory systems with the gases and water from the lungs instead of blood and the lungs both being for breathing and to pump the circulatory system; and they are entirely green both for camouflage and for photosynthesis.

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