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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:03 pm 
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Four vowel systems are very common .... it's just that it's usually /a i u ə/, so it's balanced. /a i u ə/ ,might even be the most common system in the entire world.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:13 pm 
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Nah, that would be five-vowel.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 11:11 am 
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Not nearly as strange as having no back rounded vowels...

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Could [e̞ʋ~ᴇʋ ɑʋ] be considered vowels since [ʋ] takes [w]'s place? If so, would they be rounded or unrounded?


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:53 pm 
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Is [χ] more naturally an allophone of /x/ or /h/? Currently, the relationship is [x→χ] adjacent to /ɑ ⱺ/ regardless of syllable coda/mora or another uvular in the same syllable.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:01 pm 
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It definitely makes more sense to me for [x] to be an allophone of /x/ than of /h/. (Even if the symbols used for phonemes are arbitrary anyway).


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:37 pm 
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This looks like a display issue....some phones can't display the Greek chi symbol so it just appears as a simple x.

No comment/opinion on the question.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:39 pm 
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I'm on a desktop computer, and I don't see any chi's anywhere on this page.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:26 pm 
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Aha, it is for me, too, if I use Chrome instead of Mozilla! :)


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You can have syllabic labiodental approximant / labiodentalized [u] as a vowel, e.g. Nias. If there are sequences that behave phonologically like diphthongs (what does this mean for your language?) but are phonetically realized as a vowel followed by a labiodental approximant, I would expect /u/ to also be labiodentalized but these sequences could be analyzable as diphthongs.

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Would [y ɔ] be believable transcriptions of [ᴇʋ ɑʋ] as vowels, or would [ᴇʋ ɑʋ] need different transcriptions?

Is [m n→ɴ] adjacent to back vowels a likely assimilation?

Are [pʃ bʒ] better described as bilabial-postalveolar ([p̱ʃ ḇʒ]) or labiodental-postalveolar ([p̪ʃ b̪ʒ])?


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