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Author:  StrangerCoug [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization system.


Author:  Nortaneous [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization sys

Phoneme symbols are sort of fake. There are a few languages that are described as contrasting /ɨ ɯ/, but in general the two are used interchangeably. Vietnamese has been described as having /ɨ/ or /ɯ/. It depends on the author.

I don't see why not to use <ty dy y> or <tj dj j>. It adds depth, if nothing else.

/ɰ ɣ/ don't contrast, right? Maybe across morpheme boundaries: *C1C2-ɰ would condition fortition but *C1-C2ɰ wouldn't. I wouldn't bother to distinguish them. Maybe not any of the voiced fricative/approximant pairs.

Author:  StrangerCoug [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:06 am ]
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Author:  StrangerCoug [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:19 pm ]
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Corrected the OP–/ʒ/ CAN occur syllable-finally natively, just not from /z/ in the standard language.

Author:  Nortaneous [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization sys

Could write /ʒ/ as <j> except where it's from palatalization of /z/.

Author:  StrangerCoug [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization sys

I was thinking of doing that :)

Author:  Buran [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:17 pm ]
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Author:  StrangerCoug [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:02 am ]
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Author:  StrangerCoug [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:20 am ]
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Matter of fact, I think I've got a way to combine Buran and Nortaneous's ideas: Make the Romanization system a little more like a transcription system rather than a transliteration system. <v> and <w> are the same letter in the conscript, as are <gh> and <y>. (<tj dj sj zj> I want to make digraphs in the conscript too.) The problem, which I'd really consider minor in practice, is that the conscript wouldn't be 100% phonemic. It distinguishes between affricates and stop-fricative sequences (at the cost of masking the distinction between historical /d.j/ and historical /d.zj/), but doesn't always tell you whether to pronounce <j w/v y/gh> as a fricative or a semi-vowel. I feel like I can live with it in practice, though.

Author:  mèþru [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization sys

I base my romanisation schemes on the phonology of the original language of the script at the time of the script's invention. Even when the script is borrowed or after the language gives way to descendants I use the same romanisation, which reflects the way alphabets evolved in real life. I could give you the romanisation I would use if you show what the original phonology was like.

Author:  StrangerCoug [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I could use a second set of eyes for my Romanization sys

OK :)

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