Help your conlang fluency (2)

[WechtleinUns]

Mit ender die puhrnbrehtsen, nisted teime fur die deuktetgeuen, untdassist geue Ichell ender diesstag.
I haven't been able to see a doctor yet. My appointment id today at 4. Thanks, thry.

[Thry]

Σην προβλήμα, τήνμη αλ δη!
shn provlhma, thnmh al dh!
No problem, keep me updated!

[WeepingElf]

Σην προβλήμα, τήνμη αλ δη!
shn provlhma, thnmh al dh!
No problem, keep me updated!

Ést ést un léng romanech schreivéz en lézers gréchs, assum jo.
This is a Romance language written in Greek letters, I assume.
Provavelméntz parlaz en Europ sudést, pöseivelméntz en Grécj.
Probably spoken in southeastern Europe, maybe in Greece.

[hwhatting]

Dêi Ingres, ēksai gēi thu sine sete khrāte. Sin tsirden ô-Ingres ô-mepeīde êi-Greke entikô n-êi-deuren hate IE reŋdzi thu. Nō gēi êatsie esɪŋmêrsemi erī êi-heso dzō.
true English / but you.PL.VOC two be.PST DIM.2p right / be descendant GEN-English but GEN-PASS.inspire-PAST INST-Greek old AND-INST-other early IE language-PL AND / COMP you.PL.VOC can-see-PST.2p PAST-RESULT-modify-1s all ABOUT-this.one EMPH
It is English, but both of you are right in a way. It's a descendant of English, inspired by Ancient Greek, and other early IE languages. But as you can see, I've reworked the language entirely already.

Interesting idea. How does the derivation work (sound changes, genesis of inflectional grammar)?
And a question - what's the VOC in "you.PL.VOC"? Vocative case? That's not how I would label it, as the use of the pronoun is clearly as a subject, so - Nominative.

[WechtleinUns]

Ein gutspaegen, haefe Ich. Fur neue, nist mein piehrnbrechen. Pehrte nist guttrehffste die piehrne, auf.
I have good news. My leg isn't broken, but it looks like I might have torn my Anterior Cruciate Ligament.

WeepingElf, Ich sehrturen dein lahne, aufe. Sist sehr de apneulieg, Mijneer.
WeepingElf, I like your conlang as well. It's very recognizable.

[Matrix]

Ést ést un léng romanech schreivéz en lézers gréchs, assum jo.
This is a Romance language written in Greek letters, I assume.
Provavelméntz parlaz en Europ sudést, pöseivelméntz en Grécj.
Probably spoken in southeastern Europe, maybe in Greece.

YK ΛINPY ΣAVENΘIΣIN EϘ YNY AΠYΔ YK ΛINPYNO -POMANIN- EΛONΘ ΓPAΦOT K-YK ϡOPIΦOΣ Δ-YK ΛINPY -ΓPEKONIN- KOΔ
Uk linru Sawlenthisin ech unu apudy uk linruno "Romanin", elonth grafot k'uk shorifosy d'uk linru "Grekonin" kody.
[uk linˈʁɯ sʌɫ.ɛnθ.isˈin ɛt͡ʃ uˈnu ʌˈpuɟ uk lin.ʁɯˈno ʁom.ʌnˈin | ɛˈlonθ gʁʌˈfot kuk ʃo.ʁiˈfoç dɯk lin.ˈʁɯ gʁɛ.koˈnin koɟ]
the language Salenzis-REL 3P.PRES.be one amongst the lanugage-PL Roman-REL | 3PL.NEUT.NOM 3P.PRES.write with-the script of-the language Greece-REL what
Salenzian is also one of these Romance languages written in the Greek Alphabet.


KIPOKORA YK ΣAVENΘIΣINO ϡO ABO NON YK ΛOΓAΣNO AΔ -POMANIN- ET -ΓPEKONIN-: YNYMOΔ EΛONΘ AΠEΛAT EΛYNΘ ΛINPY -ΣAVENΘIΣIN-
Kiro-kora, uk Sawlenthisino sho abo non uk logasyno ad "Romanin" et "Grekonin". Unumody, elonth apelat elunth linru "Sawlenthisin".
[kiˈʁo koˈʁʌ | uk sʌɫ.ɛnθ.is.iˈno ˈʃo ʌˈbo non uk log.ʌçˈno ʌd ʁom.ʌnˈin ɛt gʁɛ.koˈnin ‖ u.nuˈmoɟ | ɛˈlonθ ʌ.pɛˈlʌt ɛˈlunθ linˈʁɯ sʌɫ.ɛnθ.isˈin]
around-therefore | the Salenzis-REL-PL know.PRES COND no the word.PL Roman-REL and Greece-REL || one-way | 3PL.NEUT.NOM 3P.PRES.call 3P.NEUT.POSS language Salenzis-REL
However, the Salenzians don't know the words "Romance" or "Greek". Simply, they call their language "Salenzian".


NOΣTA AΠEΛO ΛINPY -ΛATININ- KOΔ EΛONΘ AΠEΛAT ΛINPY -ΣAVENΘIΣIN ANΘIKY-
Nosyta apelo linru "Latinin" kody, elonth apelat linru "Sawlenthisin anthiku".
[noçˈtʌ ʌ.pɛˈlo linˈʁɯ lʌ.tinˈin koɟ | ɛˈlonθ ʌ.pɛ.lʌt linˈʁɯ sʌɫ.ɛnθ.isˈin ʌnθ.iˈku]
1PL.NOM 1P.PRES.call language Latin-REL what | 3PL.NEUT.NOM 3P.PRES.CALL language Salenzis-REL old
What we call "Latin", they call "Old Salenzian".


NOΣTA AΠEΛO ΛINPY -ΓPEKONIN- KOΔ EΛONΘ AΠEΛAT ΛINPY -ΠPOΦANIN-
Nosyta apelo linru "Grekonin" kody, elonth apelat linru "Profanin".
[noçˈtʌ ʌ.pɛˈlo linˈʁɯ gʁɛ.koˈnin koɟ | ɛˈlonθ ʌ.pɛ.lʌt linˈʁɯ pʁo.fʌˈnin]
1PL.NOM 1P.PRES.call language Greece-REL what | 3PL.NEUT.NOM 3P.PRES.CALL language Propha-REL
What we call "Greek", they call "Prophan".

[R.Rusanov]

stuff

That's hardly Greek. I imagine it's what someone with very limited knowledge of Greek would think Greek is spelled like. For example N for /n/ vs actual Greek V, which you use for /ɫ/ ??? Also you're using the Byzantine miniscule version of sampi, completely unlike your practice for your other letters...

[Matrix]

That's hardly Greek. I imagine it's what someone with very limited knowledge of Greek would think Greek is spelled like. For example N for /n/ vs actual Greek V, which you use for /ɫ/ ??? Also you're using the Byzantine miniscule version of sampi, completely unlike your practice for your other letters...

This tells me that /n/ is indeed N. Sure, it's v in miniscule, but I'm not using miniscules. I don't imagine that Wikipedia is a horrible source here. Also, V for /ɫ/ is supposed to be an inverted Λ.

As for the sampi, could you direct me to a majuscule version?

[Nortaneous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%A0#Computer_encoding

[finlay]

Why on earth aren't you using minuscules? I mean, we don't do that know when talking about Ancient Latin or Greek, we use the modern minuscules.

That said, Rusanov, you're looking increasingly ignorant the more you try to tell people off and make obvious mistakes yourself in the delivery... Stop it.

[Matrix]

Why on earth aren't you using minuscules? I mean, we don't do that know when talking about Ancient Latin or Greek, we use the modern minuscules.

They don't have miniscules on Salenzis.

[Hallow XIII]

Why on earth aren't you using minuscules? I mean, we don't do that know when talking about Ancient Latin or Greek, we use the modern minuscules.

They don't have miniscules on Salenzis.

...In which case I advise you at least use lunate sigmata lest you descend into farcical improbability.

[Thry]

Ein gutspaegen, haefe Ich. Fur neue, nist mein piehrnbrechen. Pehrte nist guttrehffste die piehrne, auf.
I have good news. My leg isn't broken, but it looks like I might have torn my Anterior Cruciate Ligament.

Ο! Ακώ τίβια συ η φήμωρ τυ σων μην φόρτη υνίροι. Ρηκούραση πρώντω!
o! akw tivia sy h phhmwr ty swn mhn phorth yniroi. rhkourasy prwntw!
Aw! Now your tibia and femur are less strongly bound. Recover soon!

Ést ést un léng romanech schreivéz en lézers gréchs, assum jo.
This is a Romance language written in Greek letters, I assume.
Provavelméntz parlaz en Europ sudést, pöseivelméntz en Grécj.
Probably spoken in southeastern Europe, maybe in Greece.

Σι, ήλλο. Συππώνιω, σαις ναι ων ης φαλβάρα. Ασκώ ης ως ωσσεφτυάλ. Τηντάν ην Γρεία.
si, hllo. syppwniw, sais nai wn hs phalvara. askw hs ws wssephtyal. thntan hn greia
Yep, it is. I guess, I don't know where it's spoken. It's still mostly conceptual. Likely in Greece.

[Thry]

Is the symbol <V> anything in the Greek alphabet or an extension? Capital ny is N (<Ν ν>), like the Roman letter <N n>.

[finlay]

Why on earth aren't you using minuscules? I mean, we don't do that know when talking about Ancient Latin or Greek, we use the modern minuscules.

They don't have miniscules on Salenzis.

They didn't have minuscules in Ancient Greece.

Also, minuscules. (mini is short for miniature, strictly speaking)

[Ars Lande]

Dêi Ingres, ēksai gēi thu sine sete khrāte. Sin tsirden ô-Ingres ô-mepeīde êi-Greke entikô n-êi-deuren hate IE reŋdzi thu. Nō gēi êatsie esɪŋmêrsemi erī êi-heso dzō.
true English / but you.PL.VOC two be.PST DIM.2p right / be descendant GEN-English but GEN-PASS.inspire-PAST INST-Greek old AND-INST-other early IE language-PL AND / COMP you.PL.VOC can-see-PST.2p PAST-RESULT-modify-1s all ABOUT-this.one EMPH
It is English, but both of you are right in a way. It's a descendant of English, inspired by Ancient Greek, and other early IE languages. But as you can see, I've reworked the language entirely already.

Interesting idea. How does the derivation work (sound changes, genesis of inflectional grammar)?
And a question - what's the VOC in "you.PL.VOC"? Vocative case? That's not how I would label it, as the use of the pronoun is clearly as a subject, so - Nominative.

To put it shortly, (I'll post about it in a dedicated thread when I've worked out more of it, this is still very much a work in progress), I started with General Americans, applied the Northern Cities Vowels Shifts and some other ongoing changes, and then applied the following sound changes:
- Simplification of clusters, giving rise to a series of phonemic aspirated stops.
- Loss of most final syllable-final stops, changing the preceding vowel by changing length and pitch).
- Fricatives are lost one by one, leaving behind only /s/ and /h/
- The vowel system is likewise gradually reduced.

The end result is a language with three series of stops: aspirated, unvoiced and voiced, five to seven vowels, long or short, a reduced number of fricatives and pitch accent and a preference for open syllalbles.
The inflections simply derive from the remnants of English morphology, plus attached prepositions and auxiliaries. The end result isn't particulary IE-like, it's a mostly prefixing agglutinative language. (Though there are two unintended resemblances, like a -mi suffix marking the first person singular and a particle e- in the past tenses).

gēi was intended to be a vocative, but it turns out it works better as a nominative; I didn't catch the mistake in the gloss.

[hwhatting]

Thanks for the explanation!
Can you PM me or post a link here when you post your desciption? I'm not following all updates on C&C / C&C quickies.

[Thry]

Βει ο Qwynegold ασκρίψε σουλλα γήντε κι σα ναι ασκρεύ ην σουήδικω. Κρήω η α γήντε κι ασκριψής νησσα λήγγα εία ωμφών μυλ λους προνόμνες ατόνικους η αλτρους βέρβους, κη δίζεσση ηγάλες.
I saw Qwynegold write about how people don't know how to spell in Swedish. I think people writing this language would misspell atonic pronouns and other words a lot, because they're said alike.

i.e. δίζεση "it is said" vs. δίζεσι. "he tells you"/"he tells himself", both /líresi/ [lazy of IPA, r is 4].

[Jipí]

Ang kiyyo devo na Qwynegold, ang silvyāng tahananley tado.
Qwynegold's head will shatter if he sees old writing.

Like seriously, look at medieval or early modern writing. People fucking spelled more or less like the spoke. OTOH, non-standard spelling also kind of irritates me when I see it on the internet. Worst offender in German IMO: greengrocer's apostrophes (douleplusungood: use ´ instead of '); random sentence-internal, word-initial capitalization; random separation of elements of compound words by a space.

[Matrix]

random sentence-internal, word-initial capitalization

Nuuliti tunianunalia lizamudi lidutiliamavriga, lisitiniulia.
[ŋɯ.li.ǀi ɗ̪uˈɲæˈnɯ.næ.ʎæ li.ɮœˈmɯˈǃi li.ǃɯ.ǀiˈʎæˈmæˈⱱiˈǁæ | liˈɬiˈǀi.ɲɯ.ʎæ ]
TPC-3-SG-ABS-ARTOBJ 1-possession-PROG-IND 3-SG-ABS-PERSON-friend 3-SG-ABL-ARTOBJ-America | 3-action-HAB-IND
I have an American friend who always does that.

Liniatilianualisia.
[li.ɲæ.ǀiˈʎæˈŋæˈliˈʎ̥˔æ]
3-SG-PERL-ARTOBJ-English
In English.

Nuuliluitidazavramani limatulia lisiutisuuvri limudutinini.
[ŋɯ.li.ʟi.ǀiˈǃæ.ɮœˈⱱæˈmæˈni liˈmæ.ǀɯ.ʎæ li.ʎ̥˔ɯ.ǀiˈʟ̝̊ɯˈⱱi li.mɯ.ǃɯ.ǀiˈniˈni]
TPC-3-SG-LOC-ARTOBJ-Germany 3-land-CONT-IND 3-SG-DAT-ARTOBJ-year 3-PL-ABL-ARTOBJ-part
He lives in Germany for part of the year.

Nuuliduti limulatidabi.
[ŋɯ.li.ǃɯ.ǀi li.mɯ.læ.ǀiˈǃæ.ʘi]
TPC-3-SG-ABL-ARTOBJ 3-PL-GEN-ARTOBJ-much
That's probably why.

[Turtlehead]

O, fanau tevanei ano, mapaimau facanovamau tacureovou.
hello find.from.I this.place.here again, for.good.for.me cause.new.for.me my.language.new
Hello, I found this place again, well maybe I will make a new language.

[maıráí]

Tavtitsita unabi hahibaulsaidiu.
upkeep-benefit-NEUT one-OBJ-NEUT make-would-1.FEM-SUBJ
I would make one, just because.

[Turtlehead]

Tavtitsita unabi hahibaulsaidiu.
upkeep-benefit-NEUT one-OBJ-NEUT make-would-1.FEM-SUBJ
I would make one, just because.

Tecoreronau pai, eratacu nacu facavounacu mava rava.
ARTs.speak.from.2ps good NEG.1psGEN from.1ps CAUS.new.from.1ps for.time long
That's correct, I haven't made a new language for a while.

[clawgrip]

Swa beuu kangmua borm eugel cheung teuop tau borm pauk kao pngerkih swa aasgeu yang.
language be.new develop can happen.as.a.matter.of.course but hand stretch.out can be.included go.toward improve language be.preexisting EMPH.
You can of course create a new language, but you can also work on improving a preexisting language.

[WeepingElf]

Sa phin gratas thal!
SER-3SG:P beautiful script you-PRT
Your script is beautiful!