Help your conlang fluency (2)

[masako]

Mátár-vivgora zań? E-pás zá o-fánn doufeńs.
Kill-wehaveto them? It-happen that I-like dolphins.
Must we? I just so happen to like dolphins.

tlokua kehe ke ahe tamaha unya
Everyone knows that sharks are better than dolphins...

[jal]

Cahkfis u fis fis, ova dolfin u kontafit fis an dijenaret mamal af no lek. Olso, dolfin u nasti bis dem rep an kil fo pleja.
Sharks are real fish, while dolphins are counterfeit fish and degenerated mammals without legs. Furthermore, doplhins are foul critters who rape and kill for pleasure.


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[alynnidalar]

Lid idkaselir. Iri okanatoir.
_{DEM.ANIM certain-ANIM 3PL.ANIM bad-INT-ANIM}
It's true. They're evil.

[Imralu]

Tsk tsk... kat in swit mi. Les dis riva kac olda kat gon!
I don't like cats. May that river take all these cats away!

Cahkfis u fis fis, ova dolfin u kontafit fis an dijenaret mamal af no lek. Olso, dolfin u nasti bis dem rep an kil fo pleja.
Sharks are real fish, while dolphins are counterfeit fish and degenerated mammals without legs. Furthermore, doplhins are foul critters who rape and kill for pleasure.

ahe mulas euis ixu mos elua
be.indeed be.liked DAT.2s.ICS NOM.3p.INAN.DEF be.what be.animal
What animals do you like?

[jal]

Nekit molrat u specal cool, an mi won merikat. An it a pet bis, mi swit on, specal Stabyhoun.
Naked molerats are especially cool, and I love meercats. As for pets, I like dogs, especially Stabyhouns.


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[Thry]

Na sardyne hawd naer in elychad mit onser daen mit en turon. Cyn-wie. Nyn drey visc nau!
A sardine has more in common with us than with a shark. Phylogenetically. No true fish either.

[WeepingElf]

Tha naganthad sedir gredi sedirmirthin.
ESTAR-3SG:P come-VN-ABL spring just-INS spring-feast-ALL
Spring has come just in time for Easter.

[clawgrip]

Na sardyne hawd naer in elychad mit onser daen mit en turon. Cyn-wie. Nyn drey visc nau!
A sardine has more in common with us than with a shark. Phylogenetically. No true fish either.

Hwai hiatkeuu nek sardin'gak tgerngfkaing faalkwaut hiatkeuu nek mautgak, cheung duichreu sardin'gak nek mautgak tgerngfkaing faalkwaut sardin'gak nek hiatkeuu tgerngfkaing bo.
I know that humans and sardines have more in common than humans and sharks, but surely sardines and sharks have more in common than sardines and humans.

[jal]

I know that humans and sardines have more in common than humans and sharks, but surely sardines and sharks have more in common than sardines and humans.

It mata wo mana yu tel "sem". Yuman an sahdin ceh wanoda sem ansesta, ova dem in ceh cakfis dis ansesta; ova dis ansesta an cakfis redi ceh wanoda sem ansesta.
It depends on how you define "in common". Humans and sardines share a common ancestor, that isn't shared with sharks; but this ancestor and sharks share a common ancestor.


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[clawgrip]

I know that humans and sardines have more in common than humans and sharks, but surely sardines and sharks have more in common than sardines and humans.

It mata wo mana yu tel "sem". Yuman an sahdin ceh wanoda sem ansesta, ova dem in ceh cakfis dis ansesta; ova dis ansesta an cakfis redi ceh wanoda sem ansesta.
It depends on how you define "in common". Humans and sardines share a common ancestor, that isn't shared with sharks; but this ancestor and sharks share a common ancestor.


JAL

遺傳子組みがどれほど似めか。
Idenshigumi ga dore fodo nime ka.
How similar the genome is.

[jal]

How similar the genome is.

Ova swel dis in isi tel, mi tingk. An kos sahdin, dem u re fin fis, a moc avans, mi won tingk dem jinom u yon di jinom fi cahkfis geda jimon fi minu du yon.
But even this isn't easy to define, I think. And since sardines, being ray-finned fish, are very advanced, I would think that their genome is as far away from that of a shark as ours is.


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[masako]

yomatsa ka'o!?
Seven damn days!?

[Nortaneous]

Sèim dàei fin wé?
Seven days from what?

[KathTheDragon]

Efþan unt ƕana?
Or until what?

[clawgrip]

[*]

How similar the genome is.

Ova swel dis in isi tel, mi tingk. An kos sahdin, dem u re fin fis, a moc avans, mi won tingk dem jinom u yon di jinom fi cahkfis geda jimon fi minu du yon.
But even this isn't easy to define, I think. And since sardines, being ray-finned fish, are very advanced, I would think that their genome is as far away from that of a shark as ours is.


JAL

Sardingak pauk mautgak pauk garng aajung gak tgerng sleuo. Syap jriang pleu ley sai sgeuwat on ley ñgar pder ley pit ler yerdaapayngnak. Hiatkeuu keun gak aahou ley ngooayton jriang gmar ley on sgeuwat sai ley ñgar truang ley pit ler daapayngnak.
sardine be. additional shark be.additional both COP fish possess chin / leg digit be.lacking and gill take.place.of lung and blood be.cold and egg belong.to anamniotic.type / human TOP fish be.not and arm-foot digit be.present and lung take.place.of gill and blood be.warm and egg belong.to amniotic.type
Sardines and sharks are both jawed fish. Their legs have no digits, they have gills instead of lungs, they are cold-blooded, and their eggs are anamniotic. Humans are not fish, their hands and feet have digits, they have lungs instead of gills, they are warm-blooded, and their eggs are amniotic.

[jal]

Sardines and sharks are both jawed fish. Their legs have no digits, they have gills instead of lungs, they are cold-blooded, and their eggs are anamniotic. Humans are not fish, their hands and feet have digits, they have lungs instead of gills, they are warm-blooded, and their eggs are amniotic.

"Fis" u parafiletik. Wen ray difayn, mamal swel u fis. Aksalotl swel af gil steda long, an dem u kol blot, an dem in af no amniotik ek. Dem u fis af fingga?
"Fish" is paraphyletic. When defined correctly, mammals are also fish. Axalotls also have gills instead of lungs, and are cold blooded, and don't have amniotic eggs. Are they fish with fingers?


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[clawgrip]

Aahohlohtou keun ayngdaynakyeuuk aajung. Tui plarfteuk borm chdorbchefkaiykiap ley metñat tgee, cheung gebeuonpang ler aahohlohtou keun taiyngchik aahou yang. Kaak ork choa keun kteachga glio aakaa, cheung tgai ing jmuoo hiatkeuu daak. Knongsyoga ler pchuit aajung sardingak keun sgungjoot hiatkeuu faalkwaut sgungjoot mautgak ley ler duool aadang tuinkloachsdaaarm pauk ler duool. Duool ongntey stiktuinsay choanaa oyngsyo turn ler hwai cheung aawat fkeufpooayng kloach ler knongsyoga ler warn.

Axolotls are amphibians. They are capable of metamorphosis and shed their skin, but classification of axolotls is not the topic of conversation, right? These animals all have many similarities, but they are very different compared to humans. The original proposition that sardines are closer to humans than to sharks was yours, so the burden of proof is also yours. Instead of simply trying to disprove my counter-arguments, please instead offer proof of your own proposition.

(P.S. This discussion is great for coming up with new vocabulary)

[Nortaneous]

Xpqznr ddwkq bhwq ''ongp sjjqzngb. Jqhinb tqwtq ddwkq sjjqzngb.
[ʃʘʰə̌n dɒ̏k ɓɒ̏ ʕòŋ zǂ̬ə́ŋ. ǂʰín ǃɒ̂t dɒ̂k zǂ̬ə́ŋ]
This is my new conlang. It is an excellent conlang.

[jal]

please instead offer proof of your own proposition.

It in kes fi "pwuf", ova kes fi "sayan tok wo pon dis mata". An sayan a tok it a ray a wo mi tok: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... ishtree_01. As yu me luk, an yuman an sahdin (Otomorpha) u Osteichthyes, an af sem ansesta. Dis min minu u sem pas wanoda an cakfis!
It's not about "proof", as it is about "what science says about this". And science says that what I said is correct: (URL). As you can see, both humans and sardines (Otomorpho) are Osteichthyes, and have a common ancestor. This means that we are more similar than either and the shark!

(P.S. This discussion is great for coming up with new vocabulary)

Mi tingk yu ray ray!
I totally agree!


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[jal]

Xpqznr ddwkq bhwq ''ongp sjjqzngb. Jqhinb tqwtq ddwkq sjjqzngb.
[ʃʘʰə̌n dɒ̏k ɓɒ̏ ʕòŋ zǂ̬ə́ŋ. ǂʰín ǃɒ̂t dɒ̂k zǂ̬ə́ŋ]
This is my new conlang. It is an excellent conlang.

Mi in me rit di IPA! Mi go won rikohding!
I can't read the IPA! I would love a recording!


JAL

[R.Rusanov]

bence senin postun "jar jar binks" tiridir ve bu cok "disturbing", ve "racist"
in my opinion your post is jar jar binks tier and very disturbing and racist

[jal]

in my opinion your post is jar jar binks tier and very disturbing and racist

Poloji, ova mi in si no wan woh yu jos tok, bwo!
I'm sorry, but I didn't understand a single word of what you just said, dude!


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[clawgrip]

Duool deek cheu. Syoknong aajung kchehgeuot ngehtaam treukiaplian keun bia choanaa kloachtom gmar dang kloachtom biangbach keh aajung. Sardingak nek hiatkeuu aa tgerngfkaing jtil nung mautgak tgerng huoo cheung pñork aajung kloachtom keun bia choanaa yeuukpchoygongnaa ler jukwou ler yeuukgenak gduatntaa fkeupngom nek jaantaa ler kiapdrayflouk garng sgungsgung. Aamongen bnar uang geuotpang aahou.

You are right and wrong. Science only says things are true if there is proof of those things, so proof is the key point. Sardines and humans do indeed have a common ancestor that sharks do not have, but this is only proof if the average lifespan for all species involved and the rate of evolution are identical. Obviously, that is not the case.

[Thry]

Wir haven naer in elychad cyn-wie; hyr haven naer in elychad scap-wie.
We have more in common phylogenetically; they have more in common morphologically.

[jal]

We have more in common phylogenetically; they have more in common morphologically.

Mi me si way yu tingk dis, dem af fis fohm an an, ova dem mohfoloji u difa sem dem mohfoloji fi cahkfis an dolfin difa.
I can see why you think that, them having a fish-like shape etc., but their morphologies differ as much as the morphologies of a shark and a dolphin differ.


JAL