Help your conlang fluency (2)

[masako]

Nəlithāyallənači məsâkū kayalnaynū sətåmvannūk yav čʼāyāt.
[nəlithæːjælːəˈnædʒi məˈsɒːɡuː kæˈjælnæjnuː sədɒmʋænˈnuːk jæʋ tʃʼæːˈjæːt]
masako speaks of whether you could have a child.

uala
Verily.

[jal]

Who else here has kids?

Mi af swi dem.
[mi ɐf syː dem]
I have three of them.


JAL

[hwhatting]

Who else here has kids?

Wit mai's aina duchter
PRT PRON.1SG-DAT be-PRES.ACT.3SG.CLIT one-F.SG.NOM daughter-SG.NOM
I have one daughter.

[jal]

Wit mai's aina duchter
PRT PRON.1SG-DAT be-PRES.ACT.3SG.CLIT one-F.SG.NOM daughter-SG.NOM
I have one daughter.

Mi in tingk yu glos dis ray. "PRON" i "CLIT" u ohganays fi woh, an dem in les glos. Swel, 1SG/3SG les glos "1s" an "3s", an DAT i PRES.ACT.3SG etc. in luk difa klitik. Dis luk beta:
I don't think you glossed that right. "PRON" and "CLIT" are word categories, and shouldn't be glossed. Also, 1SG/3SG should be glossed "1s" and "3s", and "DAT and PRES(...) etc. don't seem separate clitics. This seems better:

PRT 1s.DAT=be.PRS.3s* one.F.SG.NOM daughter.SG.NOM

*I prefer "PRS" over "PRES". Also, I don't think you need to gloss every inherent property of a word, so I left out "ACT" (which can be assumed the default).
(Also, is "PRT" "preterite"? If so, this means you had a daughter?)


JAL

[hwhatting]

I don't think you glossed that right. "PRON" and "CLIT" are word categories, and shouldn't be glossed. Also, 1SG/3SG should be glossed "1s" and "3s", and "DAT and PRES(...) etc. don't seem separate clitics. This seems better:

PRT 1s.DAT=be.PRS.3s* one.F.SG.NOM daughter.SG.NOM

*I prefer "PRS" over "PRES". Also, I don't think you need to gloss every inherent property of a word, so I left out "ACT" (which can be assumed the default).
(Also, is "PRT" "preterite"? If so, this means you had a daughter?)

This is the way glossing is done in the Tautisca grammar tradition, so I ain't gonna change it. And I don't think we have an agreed obligatory glossing system on this board.
On the details:
ACT means "actual"; the typical Tautisca verb has five "tenses" (actually, tense-aspect combinations: present, past, resultative, prospective, habitual) and four "moods" (actual, non-actual, optative, imperative).
PRT means "particle", somtimes I also write it PRTC or PRTCL (yes, I'm inconsistent that way). The canonical Tautisca sentence starts with a discourse particle or a deictic / anaphoric element.
I gloss word categories when otherwise there would only be a naked category glossing (as in PRON.1SG; IMO it makes it easier to see that this is a personal pronoun and not something else). And I've seen particles glosse "particle" and interjections glossed "interjection" often enough in the literature, it's not just a quirk of mine.
I mark 's CLIT because there's a non-clitic variant est.

[masako]

emya ka
happen Q
What's happening?

[hwhatting]

Nainun?
Nothing?

[masako]

Nainun?
Nothing?

uame ka
Are you certain?

[Pedant]

Nainun?
Nothing?

uame ka
Are you certain?

Os mèmèi yì sùisióm noi?
I join-INS you harm-fut.inc.a Q
Would I do any harm by joining you?

[Travis B.]

Lexxójattak xanínə xâylelthúnnak álēlə.
[leχˈχoːdzɐtːɐk χɐˈniːnɨ χɒːjlelˈtʰuːnːɐk ˈæːleːlɨ]
I am working on Xanínə, a descendent of Alla.

[hwhatting]

Are you certain?

Ném.
NEG-be-PRES.ACT.1SG
I'm not.

[finlay]

I don't think you glossed that right. "PRON" and "CLIT" are word categories, and shouldn't be glossed. Also, 1SG/3SG should be glossed "1s" and "3s", and "DAT and PRES(...) etc. don't seem separate clitics. This seems better:

PRT 1s.DAT=be.PRS.3s* one.F.SG.NOM daughter.SG.NOM

*I prefer "PRS" over "PRES". Also, I don't think you need to gloss every inherent property of a word, so I left out "ACT" (which can be assumed the default).
(Also, is "PRT" "preterite"? If so, this means you had a daughter?)

This is the way glossing is done in the Tautisca grammar tradition, so I ain't gonna change it. And I don't think we have an agreed obligatory glossing system on this board.
On the details:
ACT means "actual"; the typical Tautisca verb has five "tenses" (actually, tense-aspect combinations: present, past, resultative, prospective, habitual) and four "moods" (actual, non-actual, optative, imperative).
PRT means "particle", somtimes I also write it PRTC or PRTCL (yes, I'm inconsistent that way). The canonical Tautisca sentence starts with a discourse particle or a deictic / anaphoric element.
I gloss word categories when otherwise there would only be a naked category glossing (as in PRON.1SG; IMO it makes it easier to see that this is a personal pronoun and not something else). And I've seen particles glosse "particle" and interjections glossed "interjection" often enough in the literature, it's not just a quirk of mine.
I mark 's CLIT because there's a non-clitic variant est.

we sort of use the leipzig standard though. if you have a clitic you use an = sign to connect it instead of a dash.

[masako]

we sort of use the Leipzig standard though. if you have a clitic you use an = sign to connect it instead of a dash.

ya, mo kalamya tayo ka
Hey! Where is your conlang?

[clawgrip]

Qəviqnə rīllə təʔammərə tåtvannak čʼəxā?
[qɐˈʋeqnə ˈriːlːə təˈʔæmːərə ˈtɒdʋænːæk tʃʼɐˈχɑː]
Who else here has kids?

Hwai peen arng gmar.
I have two children.

[Boşkoventi]

we sort of use the Leipzig standard though. if you have a clitic you use an = sign to connect it instead of a dash.

ya, mo kalamya tayo ka
Hey! Where is your conlang?

Ci ha kiumi korowo, Finlai. Soteu ... nehak uistot ha gus? (hwhatting sifaki ...)
[tʃí ha cúmi kórowo | fínrai̯ || sóteu̯ ... néhak wístot ha gús || ... sífaki]

I agree with you, Finlay. But ... where's your conlang? (hwhatting also ...)

[Travis B.]

Ləneskâpní čhəlxãydit yəvènə álēla chexãvnə.
[lɨneskɒːpˈniː tʃʰɨlˈχɒːjdit jɨˈʋenɨ ˈæːleːlɐ tsʰeˈχɒːʋnɨ]
Writing in a conlang is hard.

[Pedant]

Ləneskâpní čəlxãydit yəvènə álēla cēġvàvə.
[lɨneskɒːpˈniː tʃɨlˈχɒːjdit jɨˈʋenɨ ˈæːleːlɐ tseːʁˈʋɐʋɨ]
Writing in a conlang is hard.

Lu-çukutalaçakots.
NEG-2human.1human.two.unison.say.presactimp
No need to tell me twice!

[jal]

It mata bo di kayn fi langwic. Sajiwan u saybasay isi langwic fi ray. Ova mi in go tingk sef bo ray Alũbetah o Kotane. Mi ges mi u aygl.
It depends on the type of language. Sajiwan is a relatively easy language to write. But I wouldn't even thing about writing Alũbetah or Kotane. I suppose I'm lazy.


JAL

[Travis B.]

Nəlneskâpní xanínə lémžə səllethēvyə̀ttaǰi vèqqə xémžə álēlmə qəvrâkkhúmmə.
[nɨneskɒːpˈniː χɐˈniːnɨ ˈleːmʒɨ sɨlːetʰeːʋˈjətːɐdʒi ˈʋeqːɨ ˈχeːmʒɨ ˈæːleːlmɨ qɨʋrɒːkˈkʰummːɨ]
Xanínə is hard because you have to translate from protolanguages.

[Boşkoventi]

Ləneskâpní čəlxãydit yəvènə álēla cēġvàvə.
[lɨneskɒːpˈniː tʃɨlˈχɒːjdit jɨˈʋenɨ ˈæːleːlɐ tseːʁˈʋɐʋɨ]
Writing in a conlang is hard.

Pai mus-e? Sen hai nigno guie, meuo uanaj. Vada min car ha koseuo ierauo.
[pái̯ múse || sén hai̯ níŋno ɡúje | méwo wánadʒ || vá.a min tʃár ha kósewo jérawo]
And? We come here to practice. That's what this thread is for.

[Pedant]

Ləneskâpní čəlxãydit yəvènə álēla cēġvàvə.
[lɨneskɒːpˈniː tʃɨlˈχɒːjdit jɨˈʋenɨ ˈæːleːlɐ tseːʁˈʋɐʋɨ]
Writing in a conlang is hard.

Pai mus-e? Sen hai nigno guie, meuo uanaj. Vada min car ha koseuo ierauo.
[pái̯ múse || sén hai̯ níŋno ɡúje | méwo wánadʒ || vá.a min tʃár ha kósewo jérawo]
And? We come here to practice. That's what this thread is for.

I-špalšpal dhaomodo, myai e-špalšpal dhaomodo. For so-sašarexe, for so-babayexe.
2s-word.pl confirm-1s.def.noon / however 3s-word.pl confirm-1s.def.noon / work 1p.OBJ-enhance-3s.opt.emp / work 1p-please-3s.opt.emp
What you say is definitely true, in my mind. But what he/she says is also true. Either the work may enhance us, or it may amuse us.

[Travis B.]

Lelxàqqaǰe lexãytī am yògvet cárə thaqóləš levé lírrə.
[lelˈχɐqːɐdʒe leˈχɒːjtiː ɐm ˈjogʋet ˈtsæːrɨ tʰɐˈqoːlɨʃ leˈʋeː ˈliːrːɨ]
Writing this requires carrying out two layers of sound change.

[Nortaneous]

Hamshta lqirashxlum qonm, qole ptaho jomarili.
[ˈhaw̃ʃta ɫʁiˈraʃxnũɴ qõn ˈqoɫe ptaˈho dʒoˈmaʝili]
The difficulty of writing in a conlang depends on the conlang.

[Travis B.]

I should create a proper grammar and dictionary for Xanínə rather than just a list of sound changes and a phoneme inventory and a basic orthography guide. The only thing is that anything covering its actual synchronic morphology would be complicated, and I would have to figure out classes of words, with their own sets of affixes for each, and figure out principle parts for each stem (as stress shifts frequently result in drastically different forms for each different stress position).

[Travis B.]

Līsqhòrrī səllelxâyattúk am leték səlènvānak qhâlèttet.
[liːsˈqʰorːiː sɨlːelχɒːjɐtˈtuːk ɐm leˈteːk sɨˈlenʋæːnɐk qʰɒːˈletːet]
This is easier to write when I have compose.