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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:52 am 
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Sinjana, I've been reading your romlang more closely:

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ser ivan casanz prə catar quə lu escri.

Great! I also use "broken" future/conditionals. In my case:

1) Normally future (or cond., but for simplicity's sake) is one word, "comerás" (I'll eat)
2) Pronouns break it, "cómer m'has" (You'll eat me)
3) Negatives can break it, "comer n'hais" (I won't eat), however this negation is archaic, modern is "comerais nais" or "hais nais cómer" with the periphrasis haver + inf. which is also future but has an obligation meaning ("I must not eat").

On the other hand, the inverse is true; periphrasis ir + verb "be going to verb" may "join" out of analogy:

im cómer demán "we're gonna eat tomorrow" > **comerim demán

Are yours always "broken"?

I love Portuguese in this regard. The Portugal dialect still has things like "fá-lo-ei" (I will -it- do) or "acabá-los-emos" (we will -them- finish).


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:54 am 
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Nannalu wrote:
No no no, the informal possessive is ju. Afrikaans uses U, and Dutch uses U and uw, and I think German uses Sie all in the name of God. Romance languages are a bit different.

So what's up with English thy?
Also I've seen it more than once in German with du/dein.

Plus it makes more sense. I mean, God... is like the most familiar thing possible. Which makes me wonder how whether the language has familiarity vs. politeness distinction may affect.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:08 am 
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Nannalu wrote:
and I think German uses Sie all in the name of God.

Nope. "Geheiligt werde Dein Name, Dein Reich komme, Dein Wille geschehe wie im Himmel so auf Erden." God is consistently addressed with the familiar pronoun otherwise as well. Like Eandil said, that's not lack of respect, but using Sie there would indicate emotional distance which doesn't make sense there.

(Unlike Wikipedia I'd still capitalize the d, though, which used to be the rule for letters, to display respect for the addressee, but it's optional now. Though that's just a spelling convention anyway.)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:27 am 
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Eandil wrote:
Astraios wrote:
Eandil wrote:
regnum > [regnu > regno > regnə > *regn > reng > reŋg]
But wasn't <gn> in Latin /ŋn/ and not /gn/?

Well, in Catalan you have regne /regn@/ and derived verb regnar I think, so it's hard to believe VL had /ŋn/.

The g is realized as a velar nasal: regne ['reŋnə] / ['reŋne]; regnar [rəŋ'na] / [reŋ'na] / [reŋ'naɾ].

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:08 am 
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Nannalu wrote:
Die Heeres Gebed in Vancouver-Dutsch:
The Lord's Prayer in Vancouver Dutch:

Vorroam ist "-scht" -- "ist"? Ei mene Reoscht ist "ascht", auch theu [continues] "art".
Where's "-scht" from, "ist"? My lang has "ascht", but that continues "art".

Shit what's a word for "continues", fucking hell

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:21 am 
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Nortaneous wrote:
Shit what's a word for "continues", fucking hell

goes on, follows, stays [blijven]...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:23 am 
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Izambri wrote:
Eandil wrote:
Astraios wrote:
Eandil wrote:
regnum > [regnu > regno > regnə > *regn > reng > reŋg]
But wasn't <gn> in Latin /ŋn/ and not /gn/?

Well, in Catalan you have regne /regn@/ and derived verb regnar I think, so it's hard to believe VL had /ŋn/.

The g is realized as a velar nasal: regne ['reŋnə] / ['reŋne]; regnar [rəŋ'na] / [reŋ'na] / [reŋ'naɾ].

omfg fuuuuu Cat phonology.
Is that, however, a later development or a real retained feature from Latin?

In any case, I can justify my conlang through corruption from othography.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Nortaneous wrote:
Nannalu wrote:
Die Heeres Gebed in Vancouver-Dutsch:
The Lord's Prayer in Vancouver Dutch:

Vorroam ist "-scht" -- "ist"? Ei mene Reoscht ist "ascht", auch theu [continues] "art".
Where's "-scht" from, "ist"? My lang has "ascht", but that continues "art".

Shit what's a word for "continues", fucking hell

Jo!, -scht kommt ot die Voord ischt, dat ischt og ot ist in Dytsch. Wat Voord sal verventen je vuur continue?
Yeah!, '-scht' comes from the word 'ischt', that is also from 'ist' in German. What word shall you be using for continue?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:06 pm 
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Eandil wrote:
Izambri wrote:
Eandil wrote:
Astraios wrote:
Eandil wrote:
regnum > [regnu > regno > regnə > *regn > reng > reŋg]
But wasn't <gn> in Latin /ŋn/ and not /gn/?

Well, in Catalan you have regne /regn@/ and derived verb regnar I think, so it's hard to believe VL had /ŋn/.
The g is realized as a velar nasal: regne ['reŋnə] / ['reŋne]; regnar [rəŋ'na] / [reŋ'na] / [reŋ'naɾ].
omfg fuuuuu Cat phonology.
Is that, however, a later development or a real retained feature from Latin?
Well, what do you think?

pugnum > puño
ligna > leña
signālem > señal
regnum > reino
pignora > OSp peyndra, pendra (cf. regina > reina, sagināre > OSp sainar)

Allen did feel the need to explain te latter as "reading pronunciations".

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:22 pm 
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Ig haat dat Gvoel venn ju Frynde syn by yne Party end je bischt stekken zu Hose mit niez tun ieberhopt.
I hate that feeling when your friends are at a party and you are stuck at home with nothing to do at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:37 pm 
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Nortaneous wrote:
Nannalu wrote:
Die Heeres Gebed in Vancouver-Dutsch:
The Lord's Prayer in Vancouver Dutch:

Vorroam ist "-scht" -- "ist"? Ei mene Reoscht ist "ascht", auch theu [continues] "art".
Where's "-scht" from, "ist"? My lang has "ascht", but that continues "art".

Shit what's a word for "continues", fucking hell


Van Ej vil neu Vords finde, Ej brug Googles Oubersetsing, ond sej Vords on al forscild Douclic Sprauks, ond velg Ejn dat Ej lik. Halbs di?
/vɑn ej vɪl nɛʉ vɒɾdz 'fɪndə ej bɾuχ 'χuχəls 'øuːbɚɾzetsiŋ ɒnd sej vɒɾdz ɒn ɑl 'fɒɾʃild 'døuːtʃlɪtʃ spraks ɒnd vɛlχ ejn dɑt ej lɪk hɑlbs dɪ/
When I want to find new words, I use Google Translate and see the words in all different Germanic languages, and choose one that I like. That help*?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:51 pm 
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A Bit late, but the Lord's Prayer, in Illyrian

Normal Orthography
Uiser Fâer, wha sinde in Crufte,
Wha ehélyn sinde thaine Kelle,
Wha kemme thaine Cuningriche,
Wha sinde maine thaine Welle,
En Erde, lay sie sinde en Crufte.
Taine uis uiser dély Braut
End perdonne uisers Sûnden,
Lay wa perdonnem thaisens Authren
End brenne uis nay ta Envie,
Les taine uis uit frah Ille.
Fure thainen sinden tha Cuningriche, end thet Crefte, end tha Scône, uitende,
Émen.


Something both more phonemic and historically-accurate that looks rather different
Euser Faer, hwa sinda in Krufta,
Hwa ehälin sinda þäna Kela,
Hwa kema þäna Küningrikje,
Hwa sinde mäna þäna Wela
En Erda, lä sie sindeth in Krufta.
Täna eus euser däli Bråt
End perdonna eusers Sünden,
Lä wa perdonnem þäsens Åþrens.
End brena eus nä ta Envy
Les täna eus eut fra Ila.
Fua þänen sinden þa Küningrikje, þet Kreft, end þa Skåna, eutenda,
Ämen.


IPA
'ɛʉ.zə 'fɑː.ə ʍɑː 'sɪn.da ɪn 'kɾʉf.ta
ʍɑː e'heː.lɪn 'sɪn.da 'þeː.na 'kɛl.a
ʍɑː 'kɛm.a 'ðeː.na 'kyː.nɪŋg'ɾɪʧ.a
ʍɑː 'sɪn.da 'ðeː.na 'wɛl.a
ɛn 'ɛə.da leː siː 'sɪn.dɛt ɪn 'kɾʉf.ta
'teː.na ɛʉz 'ɛʉ.zə 'deː.lɪ bɾou̯t
ɛnd pɛə'dɔn.a 'ɛʉ.zəz 'syːn.dɛn
leː wɑː pɛə'dɔn.ɛm 'ðeː.zɛnz 'ou̯.ðɾɛnz
ɛnd 'bɾɛn.a ɛʉz neː tɑː ɛn'viː
lɛz 'teː.na ɛʉz ɛʉt fɾɑː 'ɪl.a
fʉa 'ðeː.nɛn 'sɪn.dɛn ðɑː 'kyː.nɪŋg'ɾɪʧ.a ðɛt kɾɛft ɛnd ðɑː 'skou̯.na 'ɛʉ'tɛn.da
'eːmɛn

Rough Translation
Our Father, who art in Heaven,
May hallowed be your Name,
May come thy Kingdom
May be done thy Will
On Earth, as it is in Heaven.
Bring us our daily Bread,
And forgive us our Sins
As we forgive those of Others.
Bring us not to Temptation,
But take us away from Evil,
For thine are the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Splendor, without End,
Amen.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:13 am 
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Germaansie Schproochen syn ynmaaschieren die Vlootyd Geviende!
[gəmaːnsiː ʃpɹoːxɛ̃ sa͡ɪ̃ a͡ɪnmaːʃiːɹɛ̃ diː vloːta͡ɪd geviːndɐ]
Germanic languages are taking over the fluency thread!

Ig dinke dat Hyta sal syn bevelkt mit yn Meglikkyt von ynije Rejen. Ig bien syt veetrot mit yn Man vie'scht noemen Freddie. Ig sig frajen venn ig sal sehen iem hyta, er behoondelt mier seer gutt geschter. Vy syn kennte bysammen (in yne Beziehung), yn Item, in yne Voche odersols.
[ɪg dinkɐ dat ha͡ɪta sal sa͡ɪ̃ bevɛlkt mɪt a͡ɪ̃ meglɪkːa͡ɪt võ a͡ɪnijɐ ɹejɛ̃ ɪg bĩː sa͡ɪt veːtɹot mɪt a͡ɪ̃ man viːʃt nomɛ̃ fɹedːiː ɪg sig fɹajɛ̃ ven ɪg sal sehɛ̃ iːm ha͡ɪta əː behoːndɛlt miː siəː gutː geʃtr̩ va͡ɪ sa͡ɪ̃ kenːtɐ ba͡ɪsamːɛ̃ ĩ a͡ɪnɐ bet͡siːhuŋ a͡ɪ̃ itɛm ĩ a͡ɪnɐ vɔxɐ ɔdəsols]
I think that today will be overcast with a probability of some rain. I am intimate with a man named Freddie. I am unsure if I'm going to see him today, he treated me nicely yesterday. We may be together (in a relationship), an item, in a week or so.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:33 am 
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Nannalu wrote:
Germaansie Schproochen syn ynmaaschieren die Vlootyd Geviende!
[gəmaːnsiː ʃpɹoːxɛ̃ sa͡ɪ̃ a͡ɪnmaːʃiːɹɛ̃ diː vloːta͡ɪd geviːndɐ]
Germanic languages are taking over the fluency thread!

Kristofer Scrouders Sprauk vor hejr lang Tit for oure Sprauks.
/'kɾɪstɒfɚɾ 'ʃɾøuːdɚɾs sprak vɒɾ 'hejɚɾ lɑŋ tɪt fɒɾ 'øuːɾɛ spraks/
Christopher Schröder's language was her a long time before ours.

Vi habt Donersctourm dise dag. Es vor sej loud, ond fil Grens falet, obr es scnel forbejt. Kejn Elektrisclos :(
/vɪ hɑbt 'dɒnɚɾʃtøuːɚɾm dɪsɛ daχ ɛz vɒɾ sej løud ɒnd fɪl χɾɛnz fɑlɛt ɒbɚɾ ɛz ʃnɛl fɒɾbejt kejn ɛl'ɛktɾɪʃlɒs/
We had a thunderstorm today. It was very loud, and many branches fell, but it passed by quickly. No powerout. :(


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:18 am 
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Hubris Incalculable wrote:
Nannalu wrote:
Germaansie Schproochen syn ynmaaschieren die Vlootyd Geviende!
[gəmaːnsiː ʃpɹoːxɛ̃ sa͡ɪ̃ a͡ɪnmaːʃiːɹɛ̃ diː vloːta͡ɪd geviːndɐ]
Germanic languages are taking over the fluency thread!

Kristofer Scrouders Sprauk vor hejr lang Tit for oure Sprauks.
/'kɾɪstɒfɚɾ 'ʃɾøuːdɚɾs sprak vɒɾ 'hejɚɾ lɑŋ tɪt fɒɾ 'øuːɾɛ spraks/
Christopher Schröder's language was her a long time before ours.

Vi habt Donersctourm dise dag. Es vor sej loud, ond fil Grens falet, obr es scnel forbejt. Kejn Elektrisclos :(
/vɪ hɑbt 'dɒnɚɾʃtøuːɚɾm dɪsɛ daχ ɛz vɒɾ sej løud ɒnd fɪl χɾɛnz fɑlɛt ɒbɚɾ ɛz ʃnɛl fɒɾbejt kejn ɛl'ɛktɾɪʃlɒs/
We had a thunderstorm today. It was very loud, and many branches fell, but it passed by quickly. No powerout. :(

Maar nau daar syn vielen Schproochen; ig veeten dat Krischtoffer Schreuder se Schprooche Illiriaasie mie maaken yne germaansie Schprooche ginspirert.
[ma˞ː naʊ da˞ː sa͡ɪ̃ viːlɛ̃ ʃpɹoːxɛ̃ ɪg veːtɛ̃ dat kɹiʃtofːr̩ ʃɹɛʊdr̩ se ʃpɹoːxɐ illɪɹɪaːsiː miː maːkɛ̃ a͡ɪnɐ gəmaːnsiː ʃpɹoːxɐ ginspɪrət]
But now there are many languages; I know that Christopher's Illyrian inspired me to make a Germanic language for myself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:56 am 
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Gelnanneu sunuitisapu lusefansu. Sinukusakakulikupete.
[ɣɛːɬnɑnːəu̯ sunuinɪzɑːβu luzɛvənsu. ʃinuŋozɑːɣɑgodɮiguptɛ]
There are too many Germanic languages! I must stop this.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:14 am 
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finlay wrote:
Gelnanneu sunuitisapu lusefansu. Sinukusakakulikupete.
[ɣɛːɬnɑnːəu̯ sunuinɪzɑːβu luzɛvənsu. ʃinuŋozɑːɣɑgodɮiguptɛ]
There are too many Germanic languages! I must stop this.

Omg és la policia lingüística au cos? Primar ivas impéder i Astraios apprendés mais lengas naturals i acor is?
Omg are you the linguistical police or what? First you were stopping Astraios from learning more natlangs and now this?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:34 am 
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Touyel germanische Reoschte? Ya nesch!
[tøːjɪ gɪɐ̯ˈmanɪʃə ʁøːʃt ja neːːːʃ]
Too many Germanic languages? No such thing!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:41 am 
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Ussaneth! Uman af lybi long dam!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:49 am 
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Vetch-the me.
[vɛtʃjɪ me]
Watch me.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:38 am 
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Yoanaadang Gelmonnakswa hwai ach kang klaang.
if.so.then German.type.language may make POT/DEO
In that case, maybe I ought to make a Germanic language.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:05 am 
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Vot hab Ej makt?
/vɒt hɑb ej mɑkt/
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:17 am 
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Hubris Incalculable wrote:
Vot hab Ej makt?
/vɒt hɑb ej mɑkt/
What have I done?

Houlft mech ta main mere Tunes Theudoises !
[houlft meː tɑː meːn mɛa 'tyːnɛz θø'duɛz.ɛz]
Helped me make more Languages Germanic.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:53 am 
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Eandil wrote:
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Ussaneth! Uman af lybi long dam!
Insanity! No one can talk for so long!
You haven't met Koreans yet then.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:08 am 
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Atistete dei limbai allemanii fare, mè nè vitãt liongeu. Nè save perc̦e, mè atistarse marveu èt une tempo rossatar.
try.1.PST.IPFV of.DEF.M.PL language.PL Germany.GEN.M.PL make.INF | but NEG live.3.PL.PRS long.ADV || NEG know.1.PRS why | but try.1.FUT more at one.M time late.M
Mé tydermásyljethek lymbétát ysytátqeg, né cýt xaltamávytétát detr. Etéltalmá cándýhektetr. Ysytátqeq.
1 Germany-GEN-appearance-INST language-ACC-IND.PL attempt-ACC-IND.PL-make-IPFV | however 3-IND.PL longness-GEN-life-ACC-IND.PL have-NEG || reason-DEF-GEN knowledge-INST-be-NEG || attempt-ACC-IND.PL-make-FUT
I've tried to make Germanic conlangs, but they don't last long. Dunno why.


Per dei noveli, aissir èa c̦inc̦uemziuè èt une conc̦erto. Mièr ermano am Iron Maiden și, cã dicouveti c̦e assãt une spectaclu èt Charlotte mit Alice Cooper essère, mièn pamerta luo ac̦atissir une cadu aniversièrin di due biliète (une per luo, mè marveu une per me, malgri c̦e nè lui amaie, car podiair condutare). Nè fuissi un pir spectaclu, mè è molteu hossar.
In recent news, I went on Thursday to a concert. My brother loves Iron Maiden and, when he discovered they were going to be in Charlotte with Alice Cooper, my mother bought him two tickets as a birthday gift (one for him, but also one for me, despite me not liking them, because I can drive). It wasn't a bad concert, but it was too loud.

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