What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
What exactly do the names of the Incatena ranks mean in Verdurian?
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
Here, knock yourself out.
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
why are half of those from latin and slavic?
ad, alta, appellare, apollo, arachnis, arbor, arcum, argentum, azur ...
okno, svetla, borsuk, bogaty, chetvert, chisto, chesto, zdorova, dzienkuy, dinya, dobre, dom, den, drug, dukh....
feels very unprofessional
ad, alta, appellare, apollo, arachnis, arbor, arcum, argentum, azur ...
okno, svetla, borsuk, bogaty, chetvert, chisto, chesto, zdorova, dzienkuy, dinya, dobre, dom, den, drug, dukh....
feels very unprofessional
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
You know Verdurian was Zomp's first conlang, right? This was before the days of easy, computer-assisted vocab generation.
Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
Even the name is a Romance loan:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdura
But yeah, I believe Zomp started working on Verdurian when he was a teenager or even younger, and has made few changes to the basic vocabulary since then. The page says copyright 1998 but it was already fully fleshed out by 2001 so the language might be older than that. Another page on the site says 1994. So maybe not as old as I thought, but someone could fill me in. http://www.zompist.com/secreth.htm says the 1980s.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdura
But yeah, I believe Zomp started working on Verdurian when he was a teenager or even younger, and has made few changes to the basic vocabulary since then. The page says copyright 1998 but it was already fully fleshed out by 2001 so the language might be older than that. Another page on the site says 1994. So maybe not as old as I thought, but someone could fill me in. http://www.zompist.com/secreth.htm says the 1980s.
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
Zompist wrote:Some Verdurian words are invented from scratch (e.g. mazhtana or elir 'life'); others I stole mostly from French and Russian. This was even more evident in the earliest versions of the language. It was also rather harder to pronounce, since I tended to import the Russian consonant clusters and palatals unmodified.
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I've no problem with zompist taking words from real languages, but if I did the lack of computer assistance wouldn't be an excuse: coming up with words by yourself really isn't that difficult ...Neon Fox wrote:You know Verdurian was Zomp's first conlang, right? This was before the days of easy, computer-assisted vocab generation.
Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
I began working on Verdurian in 1978. I revised it heavily in the early 1990s after learning about historical linguistics.
It's a bit ironic when a member of my board comments that it's not a pure a posteriori naturalistic language. Uh yeah, why do you think this board tends to prefer that sort of conlang? Maybe something to do with the models and the kit and the tools provided by its founder?
I'll also mention that when I started Verdurian I was heavily influenced by Tolkien, whose public-facing model was a world where the closer languages were to the protagonists' culture, the more familiar they looked. So Verdurian was supposed to look like a European language, while farther-off languages would be more exotic.
It's a bit ironic when a member of my board comments that it's not a pure a posteriori naturalistic language. Uh yeah, why do you think this board tends to prefer that sort of conlang? Maybe something to do with the models and the kit and the tools provided by its founder?
I'll also mention that when I started Verdurian I was heavily influenced by Tolkien, whose public-facing model was a world where the closer languages were to the protagonists' culture, the more familiar they looked. So Verdurian was supposed to look like a European language, while farther-off languages would be more exotic.
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next time just make a webpage that says "read typology books pleb" and save yourself a bunch of work hthzompist wrote:the models and the kit and the tools provided by its founder
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If I wanna buy a car and personalize it you would tell me to get an engineering degree first.Hallow XIII wrote:next time just make a webpage that says "read typology books pleb" and save yourself a bunch of work hthzompist wrote:the models and the kit and the tools provided by its founder
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what do you want, I'm a product of my times
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
They are named after army ranks??? So Niš must be trainee, and Osän is master.
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No!Birdlang wrote:They are named after army ranks??? So Niš must be trainee, and Osän is master.
Niš 1 = "niš - nothing; zero; as interjection, fine, OK, great (nišei niš nišán) [NISIOS] / niš fleade Verdurian name for the Q (q or ʔ) used in Flaidish / niš er niš absolutely nothing"
Sanci 15 = "sanci - recruit, inductee, newbie [sam cistilan ‘without a crown’, i.e. without the decoration for a year’s service]"
Lebom 75 = "lebom - novice, apprentice"
Avisaru 250 = "avisaru - student in an avisar"
Smeric 1000 = "smeric - candidate for a degree; student; disciple (pl. smerisĭ) [SUMERIC ‘student’; see sumerir]"
Sumerul 2500 = "sumerul - ‘bachelor’, one who has successfully completed his university studies; cf. smeric"
Visanom 5000 = "visanom - scientist, serious scholar; expert; -ologist"
Šriftom 7500 = "šriftom - doctor, professor, holder of a scrifteca; wise man"
Osän 10000 = "osän - master, teacher, tutor, doctor, guru [so san’ ‘the lord’]"
Yes, I just did that *for* you, and no, these aren't "army ranks". Next time you might should click the llink you're provided.
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Actually, relatedly, what does vohpenonomae's custom rank ("N'guny") mean?
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
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They have a custom rank? I ne'er noticed.ObsequiousNewt wrote:Actually, relatedly, what does vohpenonomae's custom rank ("N'guny") mean?
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
I don't think it's in Verdurian; it may not even be in an Almean language? For some reason I associate it with Elkaril, but I might easily be wrong.ObsequiousNewt wrote:Actually, relatedly, what does vohpenonomae's custom rank ("N'guny") mean?
Re: What do the rank names mean in Verdurian?
It's Elkarîl, yes.
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vohpenonomae's rank appears to mean "witch, sorcerer, enchanter", based on the word in the Elkarîl lexicon n'guñ with that meaning.
Edit: I think it's interesting that neither lil nor rim is what a human would call "focal green"--rîm is better than either, IMO. Khil, nij, ñij and jith are pretty good foci by human standards, though qiñ is a little light for focal purple, at least to my eye, and of course ggich/teal isn't a usual basic color term in human langs.
Edit: I think it's interesting that neither lil nor rim is what a human would call "focal green"--rîm is better than either, IMO. Khil, nij, ñij and jith are pretty good foci by human standards, though qiñ is a little light for focal purple, at least to my eye, and of course ggich/teal isn't a usual basic color term in human langs.
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I wouldn't be surprised if these colors are actually an adaptation to their lifestyle, which involves so many grays that being able to distinguish more colors would be more successful for them.Neon Fox wrote:vohpenonomae's rank appears to mean "witch, sorcerer, enchanter", based on the word in the Elkarîl lexicon n'guñ with that meaning.
Edit: I think it's interesting that neither lil nor rim is what a human would call "focal green"--rîm is better than either, IMO. Khil, nij, ñij and jith are pretty good foci by human standards, though qiñ is a little light for focal purple, at least to my eye, and of course ggich/teal isn't a usual basic color term in human langs.
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Oh, yeah, that's clearly the motivation behind the systematic-vowel-changing thing. I was speaking more in terms of which colors are the "basic" ones. Apparently, even speakers of languages that don't have, e.g., separate words for "blue" and "green", when asked to pick the best example of blue/green, will pick either focal green or focal blue, as agreed upon by speakers of languages that do distinguish. So either Elcari have slightly different visual apparatus, which is surely not implausible, or they agreed at some point a long time ago to use focal colors that were spread out in some particular way even though that meant that the "best" green didn't get a basic term of its own.Yiuel Raumbesrairc wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if these colors are actually an adaptation to their lifestyle, which involves so many grays that being able to distinguish more colors would be more successful for them.Neon Fox wrote:vohpenonomae's rank appears to mean "witch, sorcerer, enchanter", based on the word in the Elkarîl lexicon n'guñ with that meaning.
Edit: I think it's interesting that neither lil nor rim is what a human would call "focal green"--rîm is better than either, IMO. Khil, nij, ñij and jith are pretty good foci by human standards, though qiñ is a little light for focal purple, at least to my eye, and of course ggich/teal isn't a usual basic color term in human langs.
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They are a different species, so the focal colors are different for them.
(I have to admit, I didn't work them out on a neurological level. Maybe I will... )
(I have to admit, I didn't work them out on a neurological level. Maybe I will... )