The Official ZBB Quote Thread

[Qwynegold]

Lol, nerd sigs:

#define FEMALE

#undef FEMALE

[Herr Dunkel]

Sorry couldn't resist

On the ZBB:

Lol, nerd sigs

What are they? Nerd nerds? Come on this is the ZBB. We're all ultragiga nerds. I mean, not even the badass nerd would deal with Athabaskan diachronics or Rendaku, or do language reconstruction for fcking fun XD

Edit: Fuck, I called myself an ultranerd, of the second type

[Kereb]

they are nerdissimus inter nerdes

[Herr Dunkel]

they are nerdissimus inter nerdes

That's a quote in and of itself

"They are übernerds among nerds"
xD

[Přemysl]

they are nerdissimus inter nerdes

Oh god, we truly are nerdy. My first instinct was "why didn't he just use sunt and have it all in Latin?".

[Qwynegold]

Sorry couldn't resist

On the ZBB:

Lol, nerd sigs

What are they? Nerd nerds? Come on this is the ZBB. We're all ultragiga nerds. I mean, not even the badass nerd would deal with Athabaskan diachronics or Rendaku, or do language reconstruction for fcking fun XD

Edit: Fuck, I called myself an ultranerd, of the second type

Well, programmer nerds.

What's scary about rendaku btw?

[Herr Dunkel]

Sorry couldn't resist

On the ZBB:

Lol, nerd sigs

What are they? Nerd nerds? Come on this is the ZBB. We're all ultragiga nerds. I mean, not even the badass nerd would deal with Athabaskan diachronics or Rendaku, or do language reconstruction for fcking fun XD

Edit: Fuck, I called myself an ultranerd, of the second type

Well, programmer nerds.

What's scary about rendaku btw?

Do you see anyone outside Japan and linguistics knowing about it?

[TomHChappell]

Lucius Malfoy had coerced me, by threatening me with Avada Kedavra, into going to his mansion and doing his taxes. A lot less exciting than my last dream involving him.

[Qwynegold]

Do you see anyone outside Japan and linguistics knowing about it?

Oh, I thought you were giving examples of difficult stuff. Rendaku is a little difficult too, but it has nothing on Athabaskan though.

[Herr Dunkel]

Do you see anyone outside Japan and linguistics knowing about it?

Oh, I thought you were giving examples of difficult stuff. Rendaku is a little difficult too, but it has nothing on Athabaskan though.

No, I was giving examples of connerdy stuff xD

[Chuma]

Unless I'm mistaken, that's not how you use #define. Shouldn't a true nerd use it correctly?

[Bob Johnson]

you're mistaken

[Chuma]

Well, I guess I'm not a nerd, then. It's been a while since I used C. So educate me - what does "#define" do when it has no second argument?

[Lyhoko Leaci]

Well, I guess I'm not a nerd, then. It's been a while since I used C. So educate me - what does "#define" do when it has no second argument?

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#include <iostream>

using namespace std;

#define thing

int main(){
	cout << "hello!" << endl << "bye!" << endl;
	return 0;
}

compiled without error, and ran successfully, outputing what one would expect it to output.

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hello!
bye!

Though this is C++, not C...

It might just ignore it, or something, I don't know what exactly it does, aside that it isn't an error, and the compiler doesn't give a warning either.

[faiuwle]

It just defines it as an existing token. So you can put #define DEBUG somewhere at the top of the program, and then test for #ifdef DEBUG (or #ifndef DEBUG) later on. This is fairly useful/common. It's also how you avoid problems with including headers multiple times.

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#define DEBUG

// code

#ifdef DEBUG
cout << "Debug message that end-users will never see, because this code won't be compiled into the program if you comment out the define statement." << endl;
#endif

// code

All of my header files go more or less like this:

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#ifndef HEADERFILENAME_H
#define HEADERFILENAME_H

// class definition

#endif

So if you have already included that header file (and HEADERFILENAME_H is already defined), the entire file will be ignored by the compiler.

While I originally meant "#define FEMALE" to mean "I am female", I think a better (and just as useful!) translation might be "there are women on the internet" or "there are female programmers". Of course, people use #define for all sorts of things, but except for the DEBUG example, I'd probably just use a variable for the former meaning. And in practice, I don't use DEBUG a lot anyway, because I am generally lazy and just add debug messages to diagnose problems, rather than as a general assessment.

[Bob Johnson]

While I originally meant "#define FEMALE" to mean "I am female", I think a better (and just as useful!) translation might be "there are women on the internet" or "there are female programmers".

one problem is that by using a single define for femaleness (rather than #undef MALE in addition or instead) your code internalizes the patriarchy by classifying females as the exception, a special thing to be marveled at: oh how amazing there is a girl on the internet, let's all stare

also from a biological perspective females are the default, so there it should be
#undef MALE /* No Y chromosome found */
though a biological view of gender is an oversimplification

[faiuwle]

your code internalizes the patriarchy by classifying females as the exception, a special thing to be marveled at: oh how amazing there is a girl on the internet, let's all stare

My purpose was communication, not political statement. In any case, maleness (and whiteness, and straightness, etc.) is the default assumption in a lot of places (not just the internet) and pretending that it isn't doesn't change that. Acknowledging that and taking it into account when deciding how to communicate something is not internalizing the patriarchy. You might interpret Sko's sig as internalizing the patriarchy in this way (by asserting that maleness is the absence of femaleness) but I'm pretty sure it was just meant to be taken as continuation of mine (assuming that the posts in one page/thread form one sequence of code).

also from a biological perspective females are the default

Only if you're attempting to model actual embryo/fetus/foetus/whatever development. Anyway, if I were to consider it a true default, I would have to put nothing, which would defeat the purpose. See point #1.

[Chuma]

Okay then, good to know. Lesson of the day: You can write pretty much anything in C.

[faiuwle]

That's the reason to love C.

[alice]

That's the reason to love C.

Indeed; if you can't write it in C, it simply isn't worth doing.

[jmcd]

In the Venting thread:

Essay question: how does use-mention distinction apply to Godwin's law

You have 30 minutes

godddd
giving me a TIME LIMIT to answer a forum post?
what is this, NAZI GERMANY?????

[MisterBernie]

Everytime I see the title of this thread it catches me off guard, I'm always like, "Transcribing Sandwich"? And I thought this thread would be delicious, alas...

'ere
quoted because

[Pogostick Man]

I thought it sounded just like Italian.

GEE I WONDER WHY

[Drydic]

"where my crib at"

Whea me niggas an' me be smokin'

[dhok]

There is no ɔ but o̞.

And œ is its prophet?