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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:48 pm 
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How is Quechua, a family of languages currently spoken by over 8 million people, "ancient"? Are they actually speaking an old form of it?

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Well, it's without any mixture of Sanskrit, so of course it's ancient!


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That's priceless, cenysor! :D


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I'm almost tempted to put that on Facebook, but my friends wouldn't get it, so yeah. :mrgreen:

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(NB: I put this here on general principles, as decipherings of Linear A tend to be quackery. I only skimmed the article, maybe it's all solid, in that case apologies to the author.)


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Well, the paper only seems to say that the hypothesised sound values of two sequences of signs with certain guessed meanings are vaguely, vaguely, similar to the sounds of reconstructed proto-Kartvelian words with vaguely related meanings.

The implication that Linnear A must be Kartvelian on that basis seems like crackpottery. The actual substance of the paper, however, may well be respectable, I don't know.

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Not quite linguistic quackery, but linguistic underperformance:

Been watching the new Netflix series "Frontier" about the trials and travails of the Hudson's Bay Company in 18th c. Canada. One episode is named "Mushkegowuk Esquewu", which I was able to surmise is somebody's attempt at spelling Cree omashkekok iskwēw. The spelling "mushkegowuk" apparently and means "Swampy Cree" (iskwēw is "woman"), but I can't find any instance of "esquewu" online outside of references to the episode. Also, according to dhok (#isharia's resident Steward Algoboo keeping the seat warm for the once and future king Whimemsz) the phrase "omashkekok iskwēw" might not even be grammatical.

The second word is also uttered once in the episode by one of the actors (who from her pronunciation I think might know the language irl) in a bit of code-switching: "This is a decision for iskwewak." (-ak = plural suffix) I was curious how well the subtitler handled this line, and sure enough, he had no idea what to do with it-- the subs read <This is a decision for squaw.> :-)

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To his defense, this was apparently written in 1983. We don't know what his current views are.


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This is either an interesting breakthrough or (I suspect) something that fits in quite well in this thread, but I cant read French very well, and it's PDF so I cant just Google-Translate it:

https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/file/i ... basque.pdf

I can read it enough though to see that Hector Iglesias is trying to prove that Basque and Berber are related. What I dont know is if he's trying to prove that there's some special connection between Basque and Berber specifically, or just that Basque is distantly related to the Afro-Asiatic family as a whole, perhaps areally influenced by the Berber languages but related only more distantly.

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OK, I didn't read it too carefully, but he's definitely claiming a relationship between Basque and Berber specifically, lol. It's so weird though because it seems like for most of the paper, he's just talking about Basque. Like he talks about this in soooo much detail (or so it seems), but basically he's just talking about Basque?

EDIT: Oh, and it also seems like at one point, he's like "in Basque, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But blah blah blah blah blah! Wtf??? BERBER TO THE RESCUE!!!"


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