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Hi Zoris, I don't really know what you're getting at (unless you're referring to the "long" "pinis" stuff; but I assure you, that is authentic tok pisin: long is a preposition and pinis is a tense/aspect marker)

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NT only? Dang, I wanted some Ecclesiastes.

I suppose if we're talking translations, it's only appropriate that we do Acts 2: 1-6.

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Thanks. It's a bit wordier than I had expected it to be. I was particularly interested in seeing what words they used to translate all those descriptors of sinful people. It seems that they break down as follows.

1 Ol man i save mekim pasin pamuk ("fornicators, sexually immoral people")
2 ol man i save lotu long ol giaman god ("idolators")
3 ol man i trabel long ol maritmeri ("adulterers")
4-5 ol man i save mekim kain kain pasin i gat sem wantaim ol arapela man (it seems that the division between 4 and 5 is unclear, which is not surprising, because we don't actually know what the precise definitions of the words malakoi and arsenokoitai were even in Greek)

6 ol stilman ("thieves"; a pretty simple concept, I guess, likely "steal + man")
7 ol man i save mangal long ol samting bilong arapela ("covetous, greedy")
8 i man save spak ("drunkards")
9 ol man i save tok bilas long ol arapela man ("revilers, slanderers")
10 ol man i save pulim samting bilong ol arapela man ("swindlers, extortionists")

I can make out some of the words without even knowing them just from context. But not many. Tok Pisin save seems to mean "know, make a habit of" and spak can mean "liquor", so that one is pretty transparent. 4-5 is the toughest one for sure.

I'm guessing (apologies if I'm making assumptions that seem a bit stereotypy, I know that Tok Pisin speakers get annoyed at people who think it's just "English for babies")
1) men who make passion with whores (pamuk = whore, make passion is probably a euphemism for sex)
2) Dont really have a word for word breakdown in mind here, but the total meaning is pretty clear
3) Men who travel ??? while married (is "married" marit or meri though?)
4-5) no idea, seems to be basically "men who have sex with other men" though

6)people who steal
7)people whowant something that belongs to others
8) people who know liquor
9) curiously, bilas seems to mean "decoration", but tok bilas is a pejorative meaning roughly "ridicule, make fun of"
10) men who know pulling (taking?) something that belongs to others

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Hi Soap, quick post re: 3.

Tok Pisin: ol man i trabel long ol maritmeri ("adulterers")
Tok soap ( ;) ) : Men who travel ??? while married (is "married" marit or meri though?)

ol man = PLURAL man
i = predicate
trabel = trouble, sin, wrongdoing, and so on
long = lots of stuff (LOL!)
marit = married
meri = woman
"ol maritmeri" = married women

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Bryan,

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