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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:52 pm 
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I wasn't sure if this counted as an L&L question. What vernacular language would have been spoken by a Jew in Jerusalem in the late 11th century (obviously before they were burnt alive even later in the century)? What stage of that language?


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The rulers around that time were the Fatimids or something, weren't they? So probably whatever languages they spoke.


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Arabic, I'd wager.

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The problem is, the mountainous areas of the levant happen to be a hotspot of linguistic diversity. Hell, there are still people in Lebanon speaking Aramaic. So I don't think "Everyone else was speaking Arabic" is a knock-out argument. Maybe somebody should... I don't know... go to the library?

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In the same way that speakers of Basque and Chinese consider themselves to speak the same language as 2000 years ago: continuity. Besides, if you actually bothered to read, you'll find that this is addressed in the wikipedia article; modern Aramaic can be argued to be a bunch of related languages (or dialects/varieties).


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I'd tentatively agree - probably Arabic in gentilic contexts, and potentially Aramaic in Jewish contexts and Hebrew for religious ceremonies.

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Possibly some Greek-speaking Jewish communities too?


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Ah, thanks everyone.

For one second, I thought that "al-franj" was from "Franja de Ponent", to which I thought "WTF?" But then cooler heads prevailed, and I translated it.

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