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HIV. And clearly, otherwise I wouldn't have got.

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thanks dr duesberg for enlightening us on the epistemic necessity of separating HIV and AIDS!

So I point your attention back to my original post.

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So, I know that. But Shm Jay made it sound like I'd been doing terrible things, not sex.

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you've contracted a nontrivial probability of HIV. That's pretty terrible.

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So's everyone who have sex with more than one person.

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only a small subset of them think it worth getting seriously medical about every few months -- which is what I meant by a nontrivial probability.

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(Not that HIV and AIDS aren't a blast.)
My saxophone is going to get looked at tomorrow because it isn't working right, and does this kind of thing uncomfortably often, but I think they might find the problem and it'll work much better after that.

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Pazmivaniye wrote:My saxophone is going to get looked at tomorrow because it isn't working right, and does this kind of thing uncomfortably often, but I think they might find the problem and it'll work much better after that.
Even I won't be offended if you say you say your penis is getting looked at tomorrow.

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Shm Jay wrote:
Pazmivaniye wrote:My saxophone is going to get looked at tomorrow because it isn't working right, and does this kind of thing uncomfortably often, but I think they might find the problem and it'll work much better after that.
Even I won't be offended if you say you say your penis is getting looked at tomorrow.
I rather think that would sound amusing. :P

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Shm Jay wrote:
Pazmivaniye wrote:My saxophone is going to get looked at tomorrow because it isn't working right, and does this kind of thing uncomfortably often, but I think they might find the problem and it'll work much better after that.
Even I won't be offended if you say you say your penis is getting looked at tomorrow.
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On the other hand, I don't want to go back yet. It feels like I haven't been home for long, nor does it feel like I've had much of a break with my father being home for the first two weeks and needing to organize a lot of things around him. I love being at home with my mother and even with her friend, and being here has been just what I've needed to mentally recover.
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vampireshark wrote:Sometimes, a saxophone is just a saxophone.
On this board, you never know. :mrgreen:

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Puhlease.I've taken the aids test like six times, everytime they take blood for whatever reason they ask if you want it, and its like 4 dollars so what the hell. its an intelligent thing to test yourself often, because even if the chance is really really small, the risk is kind of large to you and to others. so yeah, aidstesting is a good thing one should be praised for.

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on other mixed feelings news: I'm a certified specialist for presales, sales and support for a software product I've never even interfaced with. corporations putting lots of stock on online training is fucking awesome xD

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Huzzah for me. I have to go pick up the official result tomorrow. Also, here, it's even free, because it's a weekly volunteer-run thing at the gay youth group. But the needle in the bloodtest gave me a tiny bruise which is somehow still sore after six days. >:|

Also, lol.

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free aids test? that's what I call civilization
also, why can't there be straight youth clubs where they give you free medical treatment?

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Because gays are superior. Alternatively, if you want one, start one.

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Pthagnar wrote:who said 50:50? but certainly Prob(fuck i have aids) is high enough for you to think it's worth getting a medical test. certainly higher than e.g. Prob(fuck i have giardiasis)?
And considerably higher than Prob(fuck i have aids) for almost everyone else.

So yes, it is kind of scandalous. It's also a problem you can solve any time you want, by simply not having sex for three months. Which is also probably what you ought to be doing anyway if you think there's a non-negligible chance you might have HIV. Particularly given your reported behaviours.
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Pazmivaniye wrote:(Not that HIV and AIDS aren't a blast.)
My saxophone is going to get looked at tomorrow because it isn't working right, and does this kind of thing uncomfortably often, but I think they might find the problem and it'll work much better after that.
...that's a euphemism for you're getting a gonorrhea test, yes?
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Salmoneus wrote:So yes, it is kind of scandalous. It's also a problem you can solve any time you want, by simply not having sex for three months. Which is also probably what you ought to be doing anyway if you think there's a non-negligible chance you might have HIV. Particularly given your reported behaviours.
there are people who make it a habit of getting tested every few months whether they've had an oh-shit moment or not, it's not "getting seriously medical", and yes it does take a few months for an infection to actually show up on the test. Nothing about Astraios's situation wrt this test is unusual.
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it doesn't really matter whether or not it's unusual. it's not unusual for those working with people with some horribly infectious disease like TB or the plague or leprosy to get regular tests even if nothing obviously dangerous has happened [although obviously dangerous things *do* happen, so you can't ignore those]. the question is whether what the mob is doing is a good idea, or if people are being as wreckless and stupid as crowds of people usually are, especially when it comes to fighting, feeding and fucking.

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getting tested regularly isn't a bad idea
but people lept on it like he was going to get tested because some incident had led him to believe that he might have HIV, rather than just the assumed non-zero probability of it among all sexually active people (and this may still be why he went to get the test, but he hasn't disclosed that and in fact suggested he gets tested at a regular interval)

the fact that he's probably sluttier than some is a factor here, in what people might prescribe to him about his behavior, but not one that would have made a difference in the response he got here about his going for a test and who he got that response from
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'people' didn't leap: *I* did. and I said that because you can only get HIV from "incidents" -- it doesn't come through the air or spontaneously appear in your bloodstream.

If you fear you may have contracted HIV then it doesn't take you long to draw up a list of "incidents" [and their names and other mostly irrelevant distinguishing features] when it could have happened. This is not a wibbly wobbly quantum thing with a probability-theoretical abstract HIV wavefunction which has some magnitude in all points in time and space and so all any one individual can do is wave their hands and go 'o volume integrals and conditional probabilities! help me, chemistry hair man!' -- the epidemiology is pretty solidly understood and if the result comes back positive, you do not just shrug and say 'well i guess the wavefunction collapsed on my head, so antiretrovirals are now part of my everyday nutritious breakfast' The cause was an "incident". Fear of having contracted HIV is precisely equivalent to holding all the "incidents" since your previous test in suspicion and also, if you have the slightest amount of empathy, the same fear that you have for yourself.

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Pthagnar wrote:If you fear you may have contracted HIV
so you took that whole paragraph just to acknowledge that you are indeed ignoring the implication that Astraios got this test because it's a thing he does regularly and not because OH SHIT THAT GUY HAD THOSE SORES WHAT HAVE I DONE

he seems to have been saying A
people are proceeding as if he's said B

yes, the cause of HAVING HIV is an "incident"
no, the cause of his thinking he should get tested was not An Incident, as he says:
Astraios wrote:It's just a check, not because I think I might have it.
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i wrote the post to acknowledge that a distinction between doing it "just because of probability" and doing it out of fear that you got it from fucking somebody specific is a bullshit distinction

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i'm not claiming any moral highground here, all, 'o sons of the internet, admire me for my chastity! am i not fair and beautiful!!!' i have done the exact same slutty shit -- not to the same degree, but of the same basic *kind* -- but with more fear and restraint, and not with the same results, and why i think this is what I have been explaining

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