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The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:07 pm
by Particles the Greek
I've seen a few posts here about software which does sound changes, and it strikes me that it would be useful to incorporate an SCA into a larger program which manages vocabulary in a more general way. Such a program could also do useful things with conjugation and declension, semantic categories, loanwords, and so on, and let you know when the reflexes of words don't agree with the output from the sound-changes. So, here's a thread for y'all to say what your ideal program would do. Maybe some of the ZBB's more capable programmers could even get together and try to write it
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:35 pm
by Torco
has been attempted. has not been attempted successfully. I plant to learn to program somewhen before I die, and It'll probably be one of the projects of such an endeavour
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:11 pm
by Drydic
Programmers are like economists. Put 5 in a room with a problem and they'll come up with 7 opinions on how to solve it.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:51 pm
by ObsequiousNewt
Drydic wrote:Programmers are like economists. Put 5 in a room with a problem and they'll come up with 7 opinions on how to solve it.
This is exactly why I hate programming with other people. I'm the only person who's actually ever
right about the best solution{!}
The other reason, of course, is that most of the other programmers I know think that Java is a good idea.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:04 pm
by Hallow XIII
Java is a good idea for certain things.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:27 pm
by ObsequiousNewt
Inversion wrote:Java is a good idea for certain things.
You realize I can't take you seriously anymore.
Oh wait...
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:24 am
by Rhetorica
I was actually working on a web app to do this—the idea was that it'd be a one-stop shop for universe construction, with dictionaries existing as special pages in a wiki-like interface, as well as articles and checklists for helping novices get started. Applying sound changes would automatically create a new searchable, structured dictionary for you that you could then go in and edit. There would also be group access controls and MediaWiki-like discussion pages, so you could collaborate with others.
Given the plethora of conworld and conlang wikis already out there, though, it didn't seem like there was much demand, so we never got around to any of the SCA or checklist stuff. An AJAX-based
MUCK where people could bring their conworlds' locations to life was also completed, but the inherent dead-weight-to-actively-used-areas ratio made it somewhat unappealing to maintain. The idea that it would mostly end up full of abandoned stubs and fleeting thoughts was also somewhat discouraging.
Other than the MUCK, the parts that were written are still in use, but with registration disabled. The
Thet information at Celestial Mechanics shows off the idea; here's an example of
a dictionary. Since the LCK and WCK already cover a lot of ground, the checklist idea turned into an irregular
blog with some advice for building plausible hard sf worlds.
But that being said, we never actually asked if there was demand for any of this stuff; it just seemed unnecessary with how well-developed other conlang wikis are. How much demand is there?
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:15 am
by makvas
Wasn't there recently a thread on this in C&C?
Oh wait, yes:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42066
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:25 am
by Particles the Greek
That started before I joined...
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:07 am
by makvas
araceli wrote:
That started before I joined...
So not very long ago at all, is what you're saying.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:12 am
by Drydic
No, that isn't what he's saying. It started in July, it's now November. That is a fair amount of time ago however you look at it.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:24 am
by makvas
Drydic wrote:No, that isn't what he's saying. It started in July, it's now November. That is a fair amount of time ago however you look at it.
It was last posted in very recently, though. And still on the first page of C&C. But I digress.
I started a tool in python for conlangers where you define a bunch of things in a plaintext file and can then perform various operations on that file via command line. I should still have that code *somewhere* if anyone is interested in improving it.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:17 pm
by Particles the Greek
Drydic wrote:No, that isn't what he's saying.
"He"?
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:16 pm
by Torco
Yes, there are no girls on the internet. we're on to you, buddy
Drydic, araceli is female
-most likely-
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:39 pm
by Drydic
araceli wrote:Drydic wrote:No, that isn't what he's saying.
"He"?
My bad. Internet assumption.
Fuck I feel old now ><
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:04 pm
by Particles the Greek
Torco wrote:Yes, there are no girls on the internet. we're on to you, buddy
Drydic, araceli is female
-most likely-
Thank you.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:01 am
by Herr Dunkel
Would be fun to do one in brainfuck. Would be more fun to saw off both legs without painkillers.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:45 pm
by Rhetorica
Herr Dunkel wrote:Would be fun to do one in brainfuck. Would be more fun to saw off both legs without painkillers.
I am reminded that, once again, no matter the field, there is always a joke that a novice will make in order to appear witty and well-informed.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:49 pm
by Herr Dunkel
Rhetorica wrote:Herr Dunkel wrote:Would be fun to do one in brainfuck. Would be more fun to saw off both legs without painkillers.
I am reminded that, once again, no matter the field, there is always a joke that a novice will make in order to appear witty and well-informed.
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Rhetorica pls get on my level
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:35 pm
by Rhetorica
Sigh. Done.
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Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:50 pm
by Herr Dunkel
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Edit:
Back on topic, it is
possible to make an inflection engine in Brainfuck, and I can see how it can be done, but it will require a staggering amount of coding and it would be language specific. To make it a language-neutral conlanging tool would require quite a lot more coding than the previous case. It can be done but it'd probably require LSD levels of creativity.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:45 pm
by Rhetorica
Well of course it is, just like any other Turing tarpit. It's just a wildly bad idea.
I'd actually like to get my hands on JCD's code from the other thread, so I can translate it into Octavia and add it to the CM site. That should fulfil most user needs.
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:00 pm
by Particles the Greek
Obviously, some people have too much free time on their hands!
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:19 pm
by Drydic
araceli wrote:Obviously, some people have too much free time on their hands!
in reference to?
Re: The Conlanger's Ideal Software Friend
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:22 pm
by Herr Dunkel
Being the stubborn donkey I am, I've taken to writing a verb conjugator for Kti in Brainfuck. Will report on progress.
Drydic wrote:araceli wrote:Obviously, some people have too much free time on their hands!
in reference to?
Probably me, possibly also Rhetorica.