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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:34 pm 
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UKIP might have its fourth leadership election in less than 2 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:55 pm 
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On the one hand, their leader has left his wife for a model half his age who turns out to be a drooling racist hatemonger. On the other hand, him leaving his wife for a model half his age, and her turning out to be a drooling racist hatemonger are literally the only times anyone has heard of UKIP in the last six months. Oh, apart from the time Farage called for a new brexit referendum.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:30 pm 
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Why would Farage want a new referendum? We're already getting Brexit, what more does he want?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:01 pm 
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Brexeunt.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:23 pm 
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Why would Farage want a new referendum? We're already getting Brexit, what more does he want?


The illusion of continued relevancy.

[officially? To crush the saboteurs, prove once and for all that virtually the entire population 100% supports the hardest possible Brexit, and make it impossible for the traitors to weasel out of it.]

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:51 am 
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I thought farage and the brexiteers had gotten cold feet (?)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:46 pm 
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So, Jeremy Corbyn, it turns out, hates women by not discriminating against transwomen. Mumsnet, British housewives' answer to 4chan, is now pissed off at him because if transmen aren't forced to use the women's restroom it will compromise women's-only spaces, which is a totally logical thing for a human being to believe, apparently. Every article I've seen also claims that “feminists” are angry at Corbyn, but doesn't say who these feminists are, besides the old fat men pretending to be Hyacinth Bucket over on Mumsnet, so I assume they're from the same alternate reality as the magic money tree. Between this and the recent revelation that Corbyn is literally a Soviet spy, I'm not sure what more it will take to finally replace him so Labour can go back to being the Tories like nature intended.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:49 pm 
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I keep wondering why people keep inventing reasons to hate George Soros, Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when there are legitimate ones.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:53 am 
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I keep wondering why people keep inventing reasons to hate George Soros, Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when there are legitimate ones.


Wow, do you really think Jeremy Corbyn falls into the same category as the other three? I simply don't see it; you can argue about the efficacy in feasibility of his policies and criticise his weak leadership, but on a personal level there's nothing there to really hate, unlike the other three.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:02 am 
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Donald Trump is in a different league form the other three. I am not sure about whether Soros is better or the same as the other two non-Trumps. I still put Corbyn and Clinton in the same basket, albiet for different reasons. I don't think I actually hate anyone in that list, not even Donald Trump. I dislike all of them though. I reserve hate for people like Ahmadinejad and Erdoğan. Here are my reasons for disliking Corbyn:
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Corbyn was actively opposed to...military strikes against Bashar al-Assad's Syria, and military action against ISIS...

Corbyn is a member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, campaigning against conflict in Gaza and what the organisation considers to be apartheid in Israel. Corbyn has also supported boycotting and sanctioning arms dealings in Israel...At a meeting hosted by Stop the War Coalition in 2009, Corbyn said he invited "friends" from Hamas and Hezbollah to an event in parliament, referred to Hamas as "an organisation dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people and bringing about long term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region" and said that the British government's labelling of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is "a big, big historical mistake".

Corbyn has spoken in favour of improved international relations with Iran and against its "demonisation" by Western countries, including at events organized to celebrate the Iranian Revolution. Between 2009 and 2012 he appeared four times, earning $20,000 presenting on Iran's state-funded broadcaster Press TV, a decision criticised particularly after the broadcaster was censured by OFCOM and had its UK licence revoked for broadcasting a forced confession from a Tehran jail, and described as a "hate channel" by the Guardian. Corbyn later said in 2016 that he had used his Press TV role to address “human rights issues”. Business Insider said that although recordings of the appearances no longer existed, it was "not possible to say that Corbyn never raised human rights issues on any of his Press TV appearances". Oliver Kamm, of The Times, however, states that, when Kamm was on Press TV, Corbyn never raised these issues.

In 2014 Corbyn spoke at the anniversary of the Iranian Revolution, at the Iranian-backed Islamic_Centre_of_England where he praised Iran’s, “Tolerance and acceptance of other faiths, traditions and ethnic groupings in Iran.” Corbyn has called for the lifting of sanctions as part of a negotiated full settlement of issues concerning the Iranian nuclear programme. He has also been supportive of al-Quds Day rallies.

In April 2017, the United States airstrikes on a Syrian air base, in response to the use of chemical weapons by Assad, were opposed by Corbyn, saying it risked "escalating the war in Syria still further".

In April 2014, Corbyn wrote an article for the Morning Star attributing the crisis in Ukraine to the actions of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). He said the "root of the crisis" lay in "the US drive to expand eastwards" and described Russia's actions as "not unprovoked". He has said it "probably was" a mistake to allow former Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO: "NATO expansion and Russian expansion – one leads to the other, and one reflects the other". Corbyn's views on Ukraine, Russia, and NATO were criticised by a number of writers, including Halya Coynash of the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group, Anne Applebaum in The Sunday Times, Ben Judah in The Independent, and Roger Boyes in The Times. Writing for The Daily Telegraph, Edward Lucas saw Corbyn as having a "desire to appease Russia by sacrificing Ukraine" and said that Corbyn's "anti-imperialist sentiments did not stretch to understanding countries such as Ukraine". Lithuanian ambassador Asta Skaisgirytė disagreed with Corbyn's portrayal of NATO, saying her country was not "forced or lured into NATO as part of an American global power grab. We were pounding on the door of the alliance, demanding to be let in".

Corbyn told The Guardian in August 2015: "I am not an admirer or supporter of Putin's foreign policy, or of Russian or anybody else's expansion". Corbyn would like to pull the United Kingdom out of NATO, but has acknowledged that there is not an appetite for it among the public and instead intends to push for NATO to "restrict its role".

In 1982 Corbyn opposed the sending of British troops sent to retake the islands during the Falklands war, instead declaring the war to be a "Tory plot" and condemning the war as a "nauseating waste of lives and money". Before the 2017 UK general election, he said that he "wanted a UN brokered plan"...Corbyn supports a "negotiated settlement" with the Falkland Islands that may involve "some degree of joint administration" with Argentina.

Corbyn is a longtime supporter of the Cuba Solidarity Campaign, which campaigns against the US embargo against Cuba and supports the Cuban Revolution. In November 2016, following the death of former communist President of Cuba Fidel Castro, Corbyn said that Castro, despite his "flaws", was a "huge figure of modern history, national independence and 20th Century socialism...Castro's achievements were many".
Because of all this I support Theresa May as prime minister. It's the same reason why I don't identify with the worldwide green movement despite it being close to my own opinions.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:39 pm 
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The quotes you put in your post indicate Corbyn has an overly positive view of the Iranian an Russian governments. If foreign policy is a area of politics significantly dearer to you than any other, then that may be reason to oppose him being prime minister.

On the other hand, for other things, it's basically a fairly consistent anti-war stance: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/britain-has-not-fought-just-war-since-1945-says-jeremy-corbyn/

Also, the prime minister of the UK is decided on the basis of the party with the most seats in Westminster. Because of this, one chooses only indirectly who becomes prime minister. And in every constituency there are more than two choices.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:55 pm 
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I certainly support Labour over the Conservatives. I just don't want Corbyn in charge of foreign policy. War is a bad thing, but that doesn't mean you make peace with terrorism and dictatorships. Also, Zionist is the only political label I use. If there were separate heads of government for all things foreign and all things domestic (sort of like France when there is a cohabitation), then I would certainly endorse Corbyn for domestic leadership. Similarly, I supported Jeb Bush for president until he said that he will only allow Christian refugees from Syria. I then switched to supporting Bernie Sanders until it was evident that he could not win. Then I switched to Hillary Clinton.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:54 pm 
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Frislander wrote:
mèþru wrote:
I keep wondering why people keep inventing reasons to hate George Soros, Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when there are legitimate ones.


Wow, do you really think Jeremy Corbyn falls into the same category as the other three? I simply don't see it; you can argue about the efficacy in feasibility of his policies and criticise his weak leadership, but on a personal level there's nothing there to really hate, unlike the other three.


What do you think there is to hate about Clinton!?

[I mean, I get not loving her, but hating? What's she done/said that's so objectionable?]

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:48 am 
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What do you think there is to hate about Clinton!?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:59 am 
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I certainly support Labour over the Conservatives. I just don't want Corbyn in charge of foreign policy. War is a bad thing, but that doesn't mean you make peace with terrorism and dictatorships.


OK, but by that logic you should equally dislike Theresa May for her continuing support of the Saudis (and if anything I would almost consider Iran to be the lesser of the two evils there). And half of the things you list Corbyn's stance on as being objectionable I actually would tend to agree with (basically from the Ukraine paragraph downwards).

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:39 am 
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I dislike Theresa May for her support of the Saudis. Unlike Iran, Saudi Arabia doesn't have democratic opposition groups who prepare to take the reigns. Saudi Arabia isn't a big threat fot my homeland.

NATO is vital for the protection of Europe from Russia and the cooperation between member states has greatly enhanced security from terrorism and the ability of countries to engage in counter-terrorist activities. I disagree with Corbyn that the Falkland Islands should have just been handed over or put into a condominium despite the wishes of its people. I agree that more diplomatic channels should have been tried first, but the people of the islands have the right to self-determination and they have overwhelmingly self-determined to be British. Also, it is one thing to the end of the embargo and flow of goods, people and information from the US to Cuba and back and quite another to portray Fidel Castro as a great statesman and celebrate the current regime and the Revolution.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:56 pm 
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Unlike Iran, Saudi Arabia doesn't have democratic opposition groups who prepare to take the reigns.
Yes, indeed. As far as I can tell the main reason why this is the case is the way the Saudi government crushes dissent.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:17 pm 
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No. Iran also crushes the dissent. The difference is that Iran had already had democracy before in living memory.

Also, Bolton's been voted out of his leadership of UKIP.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:15 pm 
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Also, Bolton's been voted out of his leadership of UKIP.


And do we care? UKIP is the only problem which actually will go away if we ignore it, they'll just implode or fade into irrelevance.

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WE DO NOT SOW!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:25 pm 
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mèþru wrote:
I keep wondering why people keep inventing reasons to hate George Soros, Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when there are legitimate ones.


Wow, do you really think Jeremy Corbyn falls into the same category as the other three? I simply don't see it; you can argue about the efficacy in feasibility of his policies and criticise his weak leadership, but on a personal level there's nothing there to really hate, unlike the other three.


What do you think there is to hate about Clinton!?

[I mean, I get not loving her, but hating? What's she done/said that's so objectionable?]

Bill Clinton wasn't very popular when he was president, you know. Hillary came out slightly better in 2008, but couldn't inspire the fanatical, pants-tingling, secular-messianic mass hysteria that Obama did. Two terms of the Great Unifier later, the Democrats had a completely different brand and a completely different target demographic for their advertising, and in accordance with that, Hillary's team of clueless campaign lackeys went and ran her on the image of YOU WILL SEE THE COCKROACHES' STRAW HUTS IN THE MARSH! CUT DOWN THE TALL TREES! KULAKS!! WRECKERS!!!

This did not go over very well, but only because she had the competence of a wet rag, and did not have the sense to do what Obama did and try to come off as the Great Unifier while leaving the dirty work of spinning yarns of cockroaches, tall trees, and grain-hoarding kulaks to, um, everyone else in his coalition.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:32 pm 
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Bill Clinton wasn't very popular when he was president, you know.


...Bill Clinton had a 73% approval rating. He was on average the most popular two-term president since Eisenhower - and unlike most presidents, that's dragged down by an anti-honeymoon period. He left office with the highest approval rating of any departing president (66%).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:22 pm 
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That was quite the Nortgasm there.

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Nort's political rants make me miss Eddy.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:04 pm 
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I do have to say that I like it when Nort rants in a conlang of his, to only put an innocuous translation to go along with it which belies the gloss.

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