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Why do all those American translations have such bland names? American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, New American Bible, New American Standard Bible, American Standard Version, Revised American Standard Bible, New Revised Standard Version (quick, find the one that doesn't actually exist). Makes it very hard to remember which is which.


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Maybe American Christians aren't generally as invested in Bible translations as other Christians are? Idk.


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Many have similar names because they're related.

KJV > ASV (1901)
ASV > RSV (1952) > NRSV (1989)
> NAS (1971)
> Living Bible (1971) > NLT (1986)
> World English Bible (2000)
KJV > NKJV (1982)

The NIV (1978) is a new translation.

On the Catholic side, the NAB (1970) > RNAB (1986, 91) > NABRE (2008)


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Well, Americans are clearly more interested in Bible translation than anyone else, considering just how many Bible translations have come out of the US, versus anywhere else.

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I said generally, though. Do most American Christians care about Bible translation?


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Probably not most of them, but in no country on Earth do most people care about details of translation.

To give an example: the King James Only movement was born in the US, and it made lots of people care about "corrupted translations", about the Textus Receptus and the Alexandrian text (disputes that had previously only been the domain of dedicated scholars). Admittedly, the most deranged fundies aren't interested in new translations, since they would rather keep using their trusty old KJV until kingdom come (or the Rapture, whichever comes first). It seems to me that, on the whole and compared to other countries, Americans care very much about Bible translations.

To give a personal anecdote: my mother is a (non-practicing) Catholic. As it happens, all the Bibles she owns are Protestant translations, and she never realized that until I pointed it out to her.

I like Salmoneus's theory, by the way.


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Actually the church I go to in Cambridge has several groups, but then it's full of actual theologians/theology students anyway so I'm not sure it counts so much.

Also why do you think readings from the Bible are integral to the church service? Because people won't bloody read it for themselves, and that's kind of how it should be if I'm honest. Just reading the Bible as-is without some kind of mediating critical eye like a trained cleric is how fundamentalism happens.

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Tanakh studying is pretty common among devout Jews all over the world. Not among secular ones though. My family in Israel had mandatory Tanakh classes even through the school they go to is completely secular.

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From what I understand most American sects have their pastors/ministers/whatever-they-call-its read the founding works of their sect (Luther, Calvin, Wesley as well as various Articles of Faith/Confession/Creed), regardless of hardlineness. I don't think the laypeople read them though, even though they are encouraged to read the Bible and Sola Scriptura and whatnot. (from a secular Jewish viewpoint, all these arguments are petty and hilarious. Except for the ones that actually deeply affect people, like stances on Homosexuality or BDS)

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A quick Google search turns up , but it could also be a typo for BDSM.


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yes i was just surprised that methru would equate the extensive and incredibly far-reaching debates over the scriptural basis of stances on homosexuality with the basically pretty ephemeral issue of protestant positions on the BDS movement

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I didn't mean to equate them. And BDS is far from ephemeral but that's a discussion for a different thread.

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Here is a beautiful translation of Genesis 1: http://llamasandmystegosaurus.blogspot. ... alpha.html I particularly admire the contrast it makes with this translation: http://www.pidginbible.org/Concindex.html This comparison demonstrates how much of the perceived beauty is contributed by the stylistic component of the text. I have collected a number of bibles by now from people who wanted to convert me, but when it comes to appreciating the full depth and scope of the bible, I accept no substitutes: http://www.thebricktestament.com/

My position is that religion will never resolve the conflict between fundamentalism and clerical authoritarianism. Why? Because religion is a fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzWu6CgFz2A Being non-universal, it will always lead to factional infighting and intellectual subordination. Don't get me wrong, I very much subscribe to the tradition of the old synthesis between reason and revelation. I only think that, since we know revelation to be a fake, we should discard it and rely on reason alone. Since denying reason is known to lead to degradation, and reason judges the authenticity of revelation, it is proved against mere opinion and preference that reason is higher than revelation.

In that way, you might consider me to be a kind of pre-Christian paleoconservative within the Western tradition. At least, that is what I consider right and just, but that doesn't mean my preferred revolution will ever take place in this fallen world of the senses. I'm not evangelical. I like to appreciate the gems of rational truth embedded in every tradition.

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